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Initial post: 7 Dec 2011 08:47:47 GMT
Lisa says:
My puppy is now 8 month old and I think he is ready for some adult food. Interested to know what brands are healthiest/natural to feed him on?

Posted on 7 Dec 2011 14:31:15 GMT
ziggypig says:
Hi,

It depends on the breed as to when your dog is ready to move onto adult food. Small dogs mature physically quicker than larger dogs. As a guide, small breeds (up to 20kg full grown) will be ready for adult food between 9 and 12 months. Medium breeds (between 20kg and 50kg full grown weight) will be ready 12-14 months old, large breeds may not be ready for up to 12-24 months old. I switched mine, a weimaraner, at 14 months. Making the change should be done gradually over four days to avoid stomach upsets... day one 75% puppy to 25% adult, increasing to 50% of each on day two, 75% adult to 25% puppy on day three, 100% adult on day four. I believe in spending as much as you can afford on the food, just as you would do for yourself. I would recommend premium brands which are in my opinion far better quality. I always feed my dogs Royal Canin, Hills or James Wellbeloved. These are a bit more expensive initially than some of the others but overall, if you are buying quality food you need to feed smaller quantity to the dog and so save money in the long run. With non premium brands, check the ingredients on the pack - many contain all sorts of additives. Some have colourings added which is bizarre as dogs don't see the colours! The colourings can adversely affect behaviour in my experience, causing hyperactivity in the dog. There are many sites online where you can get the best brands cheaper and usually delivered to your home for free. Puppy food contains all the good stuff your dog needs to grow into a healthy, strong adult so my advice is not to rush him on to adult food until he is ready for it. The labels will give you the recommended ages to switch as a guide but if in doubt, as your vet for advice as to when to make the switch. Hope this helps
Jayne :-)

Posted on 8 Dec 2011 10:29:30 GMT
blue says:
If yor pup is a working breed, such as Border Collie, try the CSJ selection of foods, I have just started my B.C. on CSJ Champ, a dry food, and he loves it, with just a drop of warm water in it to bring out the taste!. It's cheap too! and helps control his weight!. hope this is of some help to you, Barry

Posted on 11 Dec 2011 21:45:12 GMT
What breed is the dog?

Why not try raw. Dogs stomachs are completely different to humans. The acid inside takes time to start working so "wolfing down kibble (dry food) is pretty much the opposite of what he/she needs.

dog food was created because someone realised there was a market (money to be made) in packaging food to sell to dog owners.

It is the most natural thing to watch a dog eat a a raw bone/chicken carcass.

I started my puppy at 16 weeks on raw. 1/4 chicken carcass a day with a small portion of raw mince, slowly over the months up'd the chicken and removed the mince. At 2 years old he has 2-3 Chicken carcass a day and bones (these are usually whole lamb ribs or spine, shoulder blades, legs etc...all with meat attached) Once a week he'll have fish. Whenever the butcher has some, he will have whole rabbit. Basically, anything and everything! You learn to tell how much or how little to feed (he has "starve days" where he is fed nothing, although he will normally find a bone he has buried in the garden!)

He is the healthiest from his litter, has perfect teeth, doesn't smell and his stools are hard and chalky (easy to pick up!)

Oh and all of it is free. The butcher would usually have to dispose of the chicken carcass and bones etc so we just pick up 3 or 4 black bags every 2/3 weeks and bag up each daily feed and stick them in a freezer.

It was a bit nerve racking at first, but now, I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want to feed raw!

Good luck!

Posted on 12 Dec 2011 23:32:51 GMT
lunarcat says:
Hi I to am a big supporter of raw feeding,doggs don't take much convincing & I am weaning my cats onto raw food.It has to have all the organs bones etc to get the correct amount of mineral taurine etc.
You can even get you cats onto mice & day old chick ( the ones for snakes thawed of course).
The quality in coat & condition is fantastic,my cats are show cats and are in excellent condition.
Highly recommended diet!

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Dec 2011 23:34:43 GMT
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Posted on 13 Dec 2011 20:51:28 GMT
Jaydee says:
I agree with the feed raw diet, but not everyone wants to deal with chicken carcasses etc. An excellent raw food is available from Natural Instinct (www.naturalinstinct.com) they deliver frozen packs starting with puppy packs, the only thing you need is available freezer space as the bigger amount you order can save on delivery charges or you can collect if you live in their area (Camberley Surrey). My daughter who is a vegetarian (so not easy for her) switched her dogs and cats to this diet after having large vet bills for various upsets and more or less cured her diabetic cat of this complaint, it was a shame this knowledge arrived too late to extend his life as he was too damaged by this time. My dog is fed raw meat, plus occasional chicken wings given whole RAW available from supermarkets, please remember do not give cooked chicken bones these can splinter and cause internal problems, it is also true that the waste from this diet is much easier to deal with and less of it.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Dec 2011 12:38:21 GMT
Lisa says:
That's very interesting - I have always heard that you are not suppose to give dogs chicken bones as they can splinter in their belly?

I can see where your coming from though, the dog food is designed more for the owner than the actual dog!

Posted on 14 Dec 2011 20:11:55 GMT
Cooked chicken bones become brittle, yes. Next time you are at your butchers, ask for a chicken carcass...take it home and look for yourself how pliable and "spongy" the body is.

You'll never think twice after switching to raw. There are a few good websites about feeding raw. I am one that doesn't feed veg, they just don't need it. It becomes quite good fun finding things to feed them, the variety is huge! Imagine if you just ate cornflakes every day for the rest of your life....

Posted on 14 Dec 2011 20:22:35 GMT
Sorry, I didn't see the other replies.

It's a shame the amount of people who aren't aware of the outweighing benefits of a raw diet. A big problem is the Vet, the trouble is when they are at vet school the "diet week" tends to be funded by major dog food producers...I think we can all work out the rest. It doesn't get much better at the actual Vets, they are all stocked with the finest ( expensive) dry food. Think of the money they make!

Vets bills too are reduced, if not eradicated. Mine hasn't been to the vets since his puppy injections whereas my sisters dog (same age not fed raw) has racked up over £600 in bills.

I try to educate as many people as I can on raw feeding (good to see someone feeding cats raw too!)

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Dec 2011 10:21:02 GMT
Last edited by the author on 15 Dec 2011 10:22:25 GMT
d bridges says:
Sorry, didn't see previous replies -

Why does everyone recommend dry packet food/complete food, what's wrong with old fashioned proper food - RAW food, dogs are not designed to eat vegetables, grain etc unless it's in the animals stomach they are eating - RAW feeding is healthier and better for your dog, lot less waste through poo, which is mostly grain and veg, which they don't need.
Contact your local butcher and ask for the waste products/cheap cuts - they will package it in small amounts for the size of your dog and freeze, defrost daily - dogs will have cleaner healthier teeth as well.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Dec 2011 20:35:42 GMT
there is just one food I would highly recommend for dogs. Green tripe. its cheap it contains everything the wild dogs eat in the wild. stomach contents of a cow nothing done by human hand apart from mincing and freezing. you feed it raw so u wont have any smell. I can say this as I had a German Shepherd and he lived a good life no vets except yearly jabs. coat was in top condition. be careful though people will say ugggghhhh the shops wil tell you oh this is green. the best way to tell its green is that it is only about 50p for 450gms and it comes in a very dark colour from green to black.

Posted on 15 Dec 2011 21:00:45 GMT
Tripe isn't too bad, but be careful about the veg content...it isn't needed. Whilst mine was on meat, we had the butcher do "mince" which consisted of minced organs and lean meat (easier on puppy teeth!) he charged £1 a Kg. talk to your butcher and see if he can help.

I've never met anyone that has said, "I fed my dog raw and it was a disaster"

Also a point to note, dogs can choke on a piece of kibble just as easy as a piece of bone....or anything they put in their mouth for that matter.

I hope we have convinced you (op) to give Raw a go!

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Dec 2011 03:12:09 GMT
lunarcat says:
only cooked bones splinter,thimk of hat your dog would eat in the wild,they have not changed we have.Read the nutritional guides on the packaging & you will be shocked at the low protein in their diet an high amount of carbs.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Dec 2011 03:20:11 GMT
lunarcat says:
cats are obligate carnivores and 47% in so called better quality dry food is not the diet they need.Cats lack the enzyme to break down & digest carbs, my cats took ages but my |Bengals were weaned onto raw & now have the ultimate eadible toy a day old chick(destined to be pet food not live) but great toy & is completely devoured besides the yolk sac,the poos are great no smell and very small as they absorb everything.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Dec 2011 18:05:24 GMT
C. Senter says:
Ive bred different types of dogs, (not commercially just when I wanted a puppy) and have found James Welbeloved Lamb and Rice kibble to be excellent. It clears up many skin diseases, caused by other foods because it has no additives, and while it seems pricey £42 for 15kg is such high quality that it actually works out at £1 a day for two terriers.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Dec 2011 18:10:27 GMT
C. Senter says:
Dont agree about veg, every dog I know will eat grass given the opportunity, (and not to be sick as the rumour is) and my terriers love all vegetables, I imagine both wolves in the wild are like foxes and ominverous to some extent. Meat has to be very fresh to contain vit C which is what I presume they want the grass and veg for.

Posted on 27 Dec 2011 09:12:16 GMT
The misrepresentation of the raw diet is that most people believe its all about bloody gruesome chunks of uncooked meat. It really should be the in the wild diet. Vegetables, although in my opinion not a big part in the diet, can play a role. I'd imagine that in the wild a dog wouldn't go looking for a cabbage...especially if there was a rabbit carcass to eat! But as we all know a dog will eat pretty much anything you give it so if in the wild a dog came across some fruit or veg I'm sure they'd eat it.

What I don't condone is people giving their dog a vegetarian diet.

Posted on 27 Dec 2011 09:20:42 GMT
Oh and this James welbeloved, the clue is in the name...rice. When would a dog come across rice in the wild? It's not as if farmers have a problem with wild dogs eating all their crops...

It may be "high quality" but that is compared to bakers complete...

It's not that it doesn't contain stuff that the dog needs but it's the way it delivers it. A dogs stomach takes a lot longer to "get going".

Posted on 28 Dec 2011 19:42:44 GMT
GummyBear says:
Our 1-year-old Labrador has thrived on Orijen and Lily's Kitchen canned food. She will eat anything anyway, but smaller portions have satisfied her since switching from Royal Canin and James Wellbeloved. The high meat diet means she is satisfied with less, rarely begs, and weight gains are no longer an issue. (For training treats, we use dried venison and dried fish.)

Not all kibble is bad! It's just a matter of finding out what you and your dog is comfortable with.

Posted on 28 Dec 2011 20:12:52 GMT
Not all kibble is bad....but no kibble is good. :)

Posted on 28 Dec 2011 21:44:39 GMT
GummyBear says:
Raw diet isn't possible for us, so kibble and canned it is. And amongst all those kibble brands out there, we have had the most success out of those two mentioned above. They are expensive than most, but supplemented with the occasional raw meat, the pup seems happier and sleeps better.

Posted on 28 Dec 2011 21:46:55 GMT
You say it isn't possible for you, then you say you supplement with raw?

Posted on 28 Dec 2011 22:26:22 GMT
GummyBear says:
My saying it's a supplement surely already implies that it's not a method I can always go for! I do gather from your posts that you are a hard-core fan of the raw diet. For those other owners like myself who, for whatever reason, cannot adhere to a strict regime like yours, I have already given examples that have worked for my pup and me.

Posted on 28 Dec 2011 22:52:15 GMT
Sorry, I was just confused that if you manage to occasionally feed raw why you couldn't manage it full time (this isn't a probing question into your personal situation! I respect your right to privacy).

I wouldn't say I'm hardcore, I'd just say I can't see any sense in not feeding raw.
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