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Initial post: 1 Oct 2012 16:33:48 BDT
reg7 says:
Hi, 4 years ago we were adopted by a 5 year old (we believe) Westie, she was in a terrible state, eye infection, ear infection, and her skin in places was red raw, and it seems by things she did she was badly treated. We have had many visits to the vets and plenty of cost, but now she is in much better health and a lot happier. The one problem that still occurrs is the skin flare ups then back to the vets for antibiotics even though she is on a good food BURNS fish and brown rice, salmon oil in her food and only fish treats, as she seems to be allergic to beef chicken and pork. We have been told by a pet food supplier to try Fish & Potato with Allergy X to help her skin problems. What we need now is to hear from someone who has or is useing this food. We even had her on Atopic pills no good just made her sleep at a cost of £3.40 a pill per day.ANY HELP PLEASE, REG

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Oct 2012 13:14:16 BDT
Angel says:
Find a homeopathic vet using google in your area. I don't have skin issues with my current dogs but have in the past & homeopathic remedies has helped on every occasion. As for food my 3 dogs all eat fresh fruit & vegetables, natural yoghurt, tuna & organic chicken NO processed dog food ever. People are constantly commenting on how happy & healthy my dogs are & I'm sure diet plays a huge part in their condition as does having a vet not constantly filling them with chemicals. Different dogs need different diets so a homeopathic vet is the right person to help you with this.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Oct 2012 13:18:38 BDT
sissie says:
Hi sorry to hear about your Dog and I have a Westie too, she is 10 years old and has skin problems as her Skin turns black all over and there is nothing else we can do about it.She was on Antibiotics and Steroids and still takes Viacutan twice a Day and gets a Bath twice a week with a special Shampoo but no results to solve this problem then about 4 weeks ago she started coughing and sneezing and I was told by the Vet this is a Westie problem too and I just wonder if some one else came across the same problem,if yes please let me know as I have to take her for an X Ray on Thursday and as she is terrified of the Vet I hope any one can help.Thanks

Posted on 2 Oct 2012 13:59:33 BDT
avenger says:
Hi I have a yorkie who has had terrible allergies particularly skin but also with her tummy she cant have chicken, beef or pork. She is now on Wafcol salmon and potato - small breed variety which has made a massive difference to her. But also for her skin flare ups where nothing had previously worked including steroids, antibiotics and atopica my vet suggested she try a newish product called allerderm made by Virbac which is a monthly spot on. It contains mostly omega oils (no prescription required) and helps restore the epidermal layer of the skin and this had been amazing she hasn't needed to see the vet once for her skin since starting this over a year ago. I buy it online as it is half of what the vet charges and works out at £12-14 for 6 (2ml) pipettes (6 month supply - vetuk or animed direct). It definitely is worth considering if you have tried most other things.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Oct 2012 14:11:17 BDT
sissie says:
Thank you, I'll definitely try this and hope it will work the same way it did for your little Doggy.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Oct 2012 17:49:33 BDT
reg7 says:
Hi Angel, thanks for the advice, going to look into the homeopathic vet idea, our girl eats fruit veg but she can only eat fish, beef chicken and pork are no no's, thanks again

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Oct 2012 18:03:34 BDT
reg7 says:
Hi sissie, our girls skin was black and inflamed when she walked up our drive having been dumped, but lots of care, getting advice, care with her food, and visits to the vets, she's a much better dog now, if only someone could find a definite answer to the skin problem, I am going to look into the allerderm spot on suggested by avenger. Hope things get better for your girl aswell.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Oct 2012 18:17:50 BDT
reg7 says:
Hi avenger, thanks for your advice Iv'e started to look into allerderm sounds good, and the salmon and potato a good few people have suggested that, hope things stay good for your girl.

Posted on 3 Oct 2012 09:41:07 BDT
We used TeaTree oil, watered down with Baby Oil to treat our Westie, passed now but it did the trick. Just a few drops mixed in with a small amount of the baby and gently rub it in. Looks bad to start with all greasy and hair matted but we noticed the difference after a few days.

Posted on 3 Oct 2012 11:36:07 BDT
Last edited by the author on 3 Oct 2012 11:44:48 BDT
Lenny says:
Guys, although the advice you are giving may help the dog, you're coming at it from the wrong angle i.e. you're covering up the symptom and not treating the cause.

Things like this need to be treated inside out and the first thing you should do is look at diet. Burns fish and brown rice isn't an appropriate food to feed any dog, never mind one with skin problems. You need to go natural and feed your dog the way evolution has designed her to eat - your dog is a carnivore, not an omnivore. She needs meat and lots of it. No need to fill her with vegetables, she doesn't need them, furthermore her body can't process them enough to get the nutrients out of them which you may think she is getting. Dogs have a very short digestive tract, not equipped for fruit and veg. Dogs don't have the neccessary enzymes (amylase) in their saliva to start the digestive process which is required, even for us humans, to digest fruit and veg. Dogs do however have an enzyme known as lysozyme. This works as a protective enzyme against any bacteria that may be present in the meal the dog is eating.

Look inside your dogs mouth, notice her teeth? They're not flat and ready for grinding up plant matter. They're pointy and sharp, ideal for tearing, ripping, shredding and crunching meat and bones. You'll notice her lower jaw also doesn't move from side to side, just up and down.

She should be eating 80% meat (mainly red meat), 10% edible bones, 3-5% liver (essential) and 5-7% other organ.

I know you said you believe she allergic to beef, chicken and pork, chances are that she isn't allergic to them in their raw form (as is the case for many "allergic" dogs, mine included).

Here's a couple of links you may find of interest:

http://k9joy.com/RawFoodForDogs/DigestiveSystemExcerpt.pdf

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=nf&gid=261761471359#/group.php?gid=261761471359

I would stronly urge you to join the Raw Feeding group on Facebook, read the documents and take it from there.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Oct 2012 13:14:58 BDT
reg7 says:
Hi Lenny, yep I have to agree with what you say, most dogs cats etc have problems due to man and what HE thinks is good for them, I have never yet heard a cat or dog say their dinner was good or rubish, life for them and us would be a lot better if they could. You have given me a lot to consider and I must agree with everything you say, I feel we use the market foods as they are convenient for us, and the animal has no say in the matter and many suffer for it. Thanks for your input.

Posted on 3 Oct 2012 14:47:50 BDT
ISLA says:
My little Westie is 11 yrs old her skin as does every other Westie I know, goes black with lying in the sunshine. Just like humans tan ,she loses the black in winter and goes back to pink. I use Malaseb shampoo which is on prescription from your vet to shampoo her. This solved her mild eczema problem. I recommended it to a friend who has a Westie and she was the same. Delighted.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Oct 2012 21:03:19 BDT
Hi will agree with wots been said here, my 12 wk old puppy is a totally RAW fanatic, specially chicken legs and feet, shes healthy lively and loving her diet, join the group theres loads of friendly people on there with loads of info to start you on the rd to RAW

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Oct 2012 09:50:04 BDT
reg7 says:
Hi Jill, yep lots of people have said RAW which makes sense dogs dont cook their food in the wild, BUT their not in the wild, so I have asked a couple of vets what was their feelings on raw, and it seems from them that one side effect with raw feeding is their faeces can carry salmonella and other nasties, but what do I know, Im only a dog owner, I have to take their word for it, so for now I will keep trying to make our little westies life as good as possible.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Oct 2012 11:15:06 BDT
reg7 says:
Hi ISLA, yes our westie loves the sunshine to, but she turned up on our doorstep with black skin and in a hell of a bad way, due we are sure, and 2 vets think so, to extreme lack of care by the idiot who dumped her, she is not in top condition yet but a hell of a lot better, and we will keep trying to make her life a better one. We also use the Melaseb found it at £9.99 on the internet, so we pay our vet £10 for a prescription for 4 bottles, better than £25 a bottle from the vet.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Oct 2012 11:30:23 BDT
Lenny says:
Salmonella in a dogs faeces is no more prevelant in raw fed dogs than that of dogs who are fed kibble.

You will be hard pressed to find a vet who is fully supportive of a raw prey model diet. This is mainly down to the fact that vets don't receive all that much information about dog nutrition and most of what they do receive is taught/paid for by pet food manufacturers - what do you think they will recommend? :)

Also, if you do manage to find a vet who is supportive of raw, they will most likely either push you down the BARF route (a big no no) or they'll say you need to give fruit and veg and supplements (also a no no).

Your point about our dogs not being in the wild - whether an animal is found in it's natural habitat or is kept in captivity, it doesn't change their genetic makeup. Dogs will never thrive on cooked food. They may survive but that isn't the be all and end all.

Posted on 4 Oct 2012 11:44:29 BDT
reg7 says:
Hi Lenny, yep like I said before I agree with you, but as with lots of things in life there will always be IFS & BUTS, like I also said before pity they cant talk, but then they would prob'ably complain about us all the time. But in the meantime we can only do so much and then the vets take over.

Posted on 4 Oct 2012 12:09:26 BDT
Lenny says:
Feed a good raw diet and you will become less and less aquainted with your vet ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Oct 2012 12:59:26 BDT
IDN says:
Hello Reg, I'm fascinated by all the comments on this forum thingie. My personal belief is that raw, preferably organic, meat and some fish is the ideal diet for dogs. I say preferably organic because, although we in the EU are supposed to have the reassurance that all GMO in our food is labelled, that is NOT the case. 85% of the feed our farm animals consume is imported GMO soya and corn from the USA. (as stated on the DEFRA website) It is labelled as such on the sack that the farmer buys but NONE of the consequent meat that is sold to us in the shops has one iota of GMO information on it's label. If we, or our animals, eat meat, we are consuming Genetically Modified Organisms which have, only recently been proven to cause the most horrific tumours in rats. Another source of GMOs is the cereal that is prevalent in ALL commercial pet food, non-labelled, of course.
Further to your remark about there being salmonella in the faeces of raw-fed animals, I think I should like to find the studies that the vets quoted and evaluate them myself, ie, who did the studies? Was it a Pet Food manufacturer? A vet is in the business primarily to pay his mortgage. If he has no sick animals to see because they are all healthily eating a species correct diet.... he goes broke!! I hope your little Westie improves and it's lovely to hear of how you have rescued her and lavished such care and attention on her. Sally

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Oct 2012 13:08:00 BDT
IDN says:
Lenny, I couldn't agree more. Species correct raw diet, no chemicals, no vaccines, homeopathy if anything does go wrong = a very healthy animal. Sally

Posted on 4 Oct 2012 13:21:15 BDT
Lenny says:
Like you say Sally, organic is the best - although the "organic" label slapped on many of the products in supermarkets isn't as organic as we are led to believe.

If I could feed myself and my dogs 100% grass fed meat 100% of the time I certainly would. However, budget and availability dictate that this isn't always possible unfortunately.

Maybe one day the world will see the damage we are doing to ourselves and to our animals by feeding ourselves and them so poorly. I doubt that the time it takes for those practices to change will be during my lifetime...

In the meantime, I feed my dogs the most species appropriate diet I can afford and supplement that with a high quality, soy free, fish oil which helps bring the omega 3 levels back in line - I wouldn't need to supplement omega 3's if I were to feed 100% grass fed animals (or animals that were fed an appropriate diet whilst they were being reared).

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Oct 2012 15:47:26 BDT
reg7 says:
Hi Sheila, thanks for the tip have been and got some and now trying it fingers crossed

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Oct 2012 16:07:38 BDT
reg7 says:
Hi Sally, yes some of the rubbish we and animals now eat mainly without knowing,its frightening. I dont remember all the ailments of today when I was younger, then food was normal and cooked properly, and the dogs had mainly your left overs. If I ever got a second shot at life I would be a politician with a vets surgery on the side, could not go wrong. The wife and I are all for animals they need our help, we have a plaque in our porch it says, OUR DOG IS A MUCH NICE PERSON THAN MOST PEOPLE WE KNOW. How true.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Oct 2012 18:49:04 BDT
sissie says:
I just agree to what you said regarding Dog and People, I guess if a Dog could be a politician I think there would be a better WORLD.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Oct 2012 19:28:31 BDT
reg7 says:
Hi sissie, I'll drink to that
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