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Is it possible to listen to Rolf Harris or the Lost Prophets without thinking about the convictions the singers have been given?


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Initial post: 5 Aug 2014 22:06:16 BDT
I was informed by a Number 1 reviewer that you can listen to an artist without thinking about the fact they were convicted of offences against children. To me this seems a little "difficult." I just wondered what other people think about this.

Posted on 5 Aug 2014 22:15:23 BDT
T. Franklin says:
Was never a Lostprohets fan so couldn't possibly comment.

There's only one Rolf song I'd care to listen to anyway; that being Sun Arise. It's one of those songs you can file away in your brain and hear internally, and I can't say it makes me think of what has happened.

The other one is Gary Glitter of course. I was quite a big fan of his back in the day. Don't have anything by him now. If I'm honest I think the prospect of buying a hits collection from 'zon and what the picker might think of that is a bigger worry than hearing those songs would be for me.

Posted on 5 Aug 2014 22:18:07 BDT
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Grimmy says:
Why would you want to listen to anything by either of these 'entertainers' unless you were a complete cretin? In which case it is debatable whether you would be capable of thinking about anything.

Posted on 5 Aug 2014 22:27:01 BDT
Dont know about Lost Prophets, never heard them, but Rolf's story book children songs seem to have lost their innocence...a bit like hearing Stuart Hall's laughter on It's a Knockout....it no longer seems so funny.

Posted on 5 Aug 2014 22:31:21 BDT
hi dr d - i can't separate the offence from the music, and i'm afraid, and no matter who, if i had material by one convicted of sex offences against children, it would get trampled into the pavement.
actually, the other day in a salvation army charity shop, i found a lostprophets cd on sale, and took it to the assistant and explained why i didn't think it was in their interest to sell this. the assistant immediately withdrew it from display, and apologised for it slipping thru' their vetting system.

Posted on 5 Aug 2014 22:51:18 BDT
I suppose Tech that leads to another issue how past recordings should be viewed. This includes the drummer from the Bay City Rollers (Child porn), Jimmy Pursey (indecent assault on an underage girl) and of course Jonathon King (multiple offences).

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Aug 2014 23:18:48 BDT
indeed, it would be up to the individual to judge, but i wouldn't entertain any of them now, and i was conflicted because king wrote the sleevenotes for 'scott 2', but i decided he had no part in the recording, therefore it would be unfair to scott walker to turf it. also opens another issue regarding other members of these bands (complicit or ignorant), who, either way suffer by association.

Posted on 5 Aug 2014 23:36:48 BDT
Z-Car says:
What about anything associated with Phil Spector - and that's quite a bit? Found guilty of murder and serving a prison sentence.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Aug 2014 00:08:13 BDT
Last edited by the author on 6 Aug 2014 00:18:14 BDT
Johnny Bee says:
There's no denying that King made some great pop records back in the day. However, how can you think back on them fondly now. Particularly as childhood memories of these songs inevitably take you back to Top of The Pops and that other evil bastard (no, not Tony Blackburn).

BTW Techy, Scott II stays in its beautifully presented box along with the other Scott albums.

However, regardless of the esteem in which I held a musician previously, there's no way I could listen to their music knowing that they had committed such heinous crimes.

Where does it end, though. Should I also ditch Back To Mono 1958 - 1969 by Spector, Phil (2003) Audio CD for instance?

Edit - indeed, Z-Car

Posted on 6 Aug 2014 00:53:45 BDT
RedAlFire says:
Seems the songs, whoever they were recorded by, were bought in good faith because they appealed, so does that song really diminish because the artist has let themselves and society down?

You could say, with the prevalence for drug and sexual abuse over many years in the music industry, that the majority of artists are very likely to have a level of malevolence, much of it greedily fed upon by eager fans, hangers on or just enjoyed by the artists themselves. As JB says, do we now get rid of every recording we have by those that have seemingly transgressed?

The drug addicts, the drunks, the vandals, the abusers, the murderers, those whose practises are deemed strange, the exploiters, the party animals, those who bed groupies (do they check the age?), the exhibitionists, the predators, the deviants. The opportunities for malfeasance were, and are, legion and for some time now that line of decency has become mighty blurred.

Oh for the days of the classical composers when Schubert was reprimanded for using 'Opprobrious language', Beethoven was jailed for being 'a drunk and disorderly tramp' and, more recently, Ivor Novello was jailed for misuse of petrol coupons and Igor Stravinsky was fined $100 for having 'inserted a controversial major seventh chord at a crucial point in a performance of the American national anthem'.

Maybe it is time for the return of Juke Box Jury?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Aug 2014 01:15:52 BDT
wobberoo says:
I guess we are all capable of murder, depending on the circumstances. No shock that Phil Spector did it, he was crazy! There's a difference between his crime, and the sexually motivated disgusting crimes, though. I think the lenience shown to these sex offenders is shocking, and their crimes surely merit life in prison too.

Posted on 6 Aug 2014 08:06:51 BDT
rightly or wrongly, as he was technically never convicted, i informed both of my children, from an early age, and when they became interested in music and began to purchase such, that if they brought home any produce by michael jackson, i would destroy it.

Posted on 6 Aug 2014 09:07:58 BDT
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Posted on 6 Aug 2014 09:21:45 BDT
Red Mosquito says:
You're just about to go under the knife for life saving heart surgery. The Theatre is ready the surgeon is ready. The anesthetist whispers in your ear "the surgeon is a poedophile". You suspected this but now believe it to be true beyond doubt. Do you cancel your opp?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Aug 2014 10:36:04 BDT
the only moral answer is 'yes'.

but the only way to take steps against the surgeon (and the anesthetist) would be to have the op. i wouldn't advise them of this before the op, mind.

Posted on 6 Aug 2014 11:06:23 BDT
Nugent Dirt says:
And not forgetting Judas Priest's 80s albums...possibly?

Posted on 6 Aug 2014 12:01:05 BDT
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Brass Neck says:
Pete Townshend's 'research' into child porn? Led Zeppelin's underage groupies? Many artist's consumption of class A drugs? Where does moral outrage and piety draw the line? The Daily Mail and further reaches of the Tory party (and Hitler) would have us burn every item produced by such moral degenerates with the artists themselves on top of the flaming pyres.

I prefer a more sanguine and proportionate line - those that have shown remorse and served their time or where their 'offences' were a product of the prevailing mores of the time which were fundamentally different (DLT seeming to be a case of unwarranted DPP persecution unless other evidence than I've read comes to light) deserve to be treated as different cases to the likes of Ian Watkin who, I'm fairly certain, would continue his abhorrent crimes on release.

I have tickets for the Who's and Robert Plant's upcoming concert tours, will probably buy all the LZ re-remasters and would go and see them in a second if they reformed and toured.

Let's not forget your favourite bands may have members who have stashes of kiddy porn on their computers but haven't been found out yet. Let them as is wi'aht sin lob t'first stone.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Aug 2014 12:05:10 BDT
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TheFoe says:
Spot on Brass! Regarding Michael Jackson, if he was innocent, as I believe he was, why not let your kids listen to one of the all time greatest pop singers? He was never convicted for Christs sake!

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Aug 2014 12:10:53 BDT
Last edited by the author on 6 Aug 2014 12:11:48 BDT
T. Franklin says:
I claim Godwin's Law! Invoking the nazis on an internet discussion means you automatically lose the argument. Let's keep politics out of this please; suffice to say the so-called 'left' is just as likely to airbrush people of whom they disapprove out of history.

That said, I agree with your general point. Where do you stop? Would you discard anything by anybody who has done something or expressed a view with which you disagree? Someone I know once tried (I'm not sure how seriously) to ban the Clash from this house because of the song Capital Radio!) I bought (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais regardless, and nothing happened ;-)

Posted on 6 Aug 2014 12:21:59 BDT
James Warner says:
It's a gut feeling thing, this. I have a few LostProphets CDs and I must admit, I haven't listened to them since the conviction even though I like a number of tracks. The thing is, in this case, there are other innocent band members who stand to lose out on royalties - particularly if the entire back catalogue is blacklisted by retailers.

Posted on 6 Aug 2014 12:40:27 BDT
Brass Neck says:
Was there ever anyone who was a 'perfect' genius in any walk of life but particularly in the fields of the arts? All of us and them are flawed to a greater or lesser degree - if everything I ever did was held up to the most exacting moral scrutiny I would (as would most of you) be found wanting. The difference is I were brought up reight, didn't hang out with people into the more extreme areas of behaviour (and probably felt/was seen as bit square for it) and went into a job with far greater expectations of outward displays of moral rectitude and am a local secretary for a union where I've seen the fall-out for fellow workers from injudicous but by no means grossly immoral episodes leading me to be more cautious than the average person. I have only ever been caught speeding (in a motor vehicle I should perhaps add) and ultimately it's all about being CAUGHT - the doctor strung out on drugs, the care-home worker with a predilection for child porn/sex, the teacher who self-medicates with copious quantities of alcohol, etc may all appear to be saints until found out.

If I or they were to be found out and convicted of a morally-repugnant crime would those we had served wish for a reversal of the care they had received? There but for the grace of (some as yet unproven to exist) God go we all and the rush to judgement leaves far too many trampled unnecessarily. How much damage was inflicted mentally, financially and to the reputation (no smoke wi'out fire tha knows) of Bill Roache (Ken Barlow) who was found entirely innocent of all charges while his accusers suffer no penalty. I will of course continue to boycott Corrie on the grounds that it's mindless drivel.

Posted on 6 Aug 2014 12:55:26 BDT
Sera69 says:
I think in many cases it's possible to disassociate the crime from the art. Certain songs of some atrists mean something personal to me and i take that inference rather than assuming they have been created through some deviant desire. Just two examples are Our Last Summer by Lost Prophets ( 5/6s of whom are completely innocent lest we forget) which has happy memories to me beyond anything their lead singer conceived and Two Little Boys which i still love as a bittersweet paen to childhood innocence and horrors of war. and if we start with either of those two, really where is the line drawn? Out goes Led Zep, pretty much all your 60's 70's rock and metal and before we get all het up about Art why is the fashion industry never brought to account? 13yo Kate Moss proposition outside school etc etc etc

Meh

Corrie is drivel, true

Posted on 6 Aug 2014 13:39:51 BDT
Last edited by the author on 6 Aug 2014 13:41:43 BDT
I did actually own a Best of Rolf Harris CD. Whenever I was asked to compile some music for social gatherings, Tie Me Kangaroo was always a popular choice. Said item went in the bin several weeks ago.
Of course it's all a matter of individual conscience when all's said and done but I have to say that I find the 'found not guilty so ok to keep buying and listening to them' philosophy to be something of an ostrich mentality. Come on folks, do you really have such absolute faith in the legal system? The American version especially. If one genuinely believes deep down that someone is innocent then fine, but the cloud of controversy left hanging over certain court verdicts cannot be denied. People have every right to make their own judgement calls, particularly as relates to parental guidance.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Aug 2014 13:56:17 BDT
said, liq.
btw, my 'kids' are now 26 and 22, and can do what they like, but my belief is that jackson was a beast with a wallet, so until they were 16, i wouldn't allow connected material into the house. this was the only stipulation i put in place regarding their upbringing, so deep is/was my disgust. neither ever went against this, or have ever shown any interest in jackson since. or ever.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Aug 2014 13:58:45 BDT
T. Franklin says:
If it makes you feel better I think the other members of the band want to move on. The whole of that previous existence is now tainted for them by what the singer did.
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