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Jimi - the legacy ?


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Initial post: 22 Jul 2014 16:43:52 BDT
Huck Flynn says:
Watched the Jimi documentary on BBC4? again the other night and had to ask myself how much was hype and how much did Hendrix actually achieve in his music. I admire him as a performer but is his most important legacy the inspiration he gave other guitarists or did he create anything new? Where was he going with his music?

Posted on 22 Jul 2014 17:13:08 BDT
Huck Flynn says:
Oops i have obviously blasphemed - 0 of 1 people think this post adds to the discussion

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jul 2014 19:55:15 BDT
Only one neg Huck,still got your L plates,get up to five or six then you can start playing with the big boys.I don't think anyone could accuse Jimi's guitar playing as being hyped,the guy was phenomenal. Much of what he recorded with The Experience was creative and cutting edge with the equipment as it was back then but so were many of his contemporaries,The Beatles,Stones,Beach Boys,Cream and many more,all experimenting and trying new ways of doing things much of which was down to the new breed of producers who had replaced the old brigade.Record Companies followed with there eye on the big bucks to be made though some had dragged their heels mistakenly assuming it was all a flash in the pan,short lived fad that would die out overnight,they slowly realized there was "gold in them thar hills"Some time later he started over with the whole Band Of Gypsys or jamming and playing with an assortment of various musicians all over the globe,perhaps in search of his own personal Holy Grail,sadly Death caught up with him as we all know otherwise who knows what he would have achieved,true greatness or burnt out has been.As for his legacy,it is there in his music and recorded live performances,acknowledged by his peers as the best of them when witnessing his first arrival in England in the 60's,blowing everybody else out of the water with not only his playing,but his showmanship on stage,the quiet humility and warmth off that those who got to know him remark on constantly.The dedicated composer who spent long hours in the studio at his craft,a journeyman who strove to perfect that craft.I think he achieved a great deal and still continues to inspire each generation of guitar players to reach out and upwards for the very stars themselves.
Not that everything he did was genius,but very rarely mediocre and fully deserving of his place in the Hall Of Fame and the history books.Was he a legend? I think so and worthy of the title unlike some who would lay claim to that title.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jul 2014 21:38:44 BDT
Huck Flynn says:
yeah, playing devil's advocate a bit Martin.
the guy was hypnotic on stage and it brought out the best of his playing. i didn't really enjoy the guitar abuse and feedback thing from a musical perspective but some of his improvising was just magic. a lot of his studio recording fall short of the mark for me, in comparison. Robin Trower owes him a big debt

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jul 2014 22:46:28 BDT
Last edited by the author on 22 Jul 2014 22:50:01 BDT
gille liath says:
He achieved an awful lot in his first couple of years, probably more than anybody else in the same timespan. His sound was totally new then, and even now I doubt if anyone has matched it. Personally I think Little Wing is probably the best thing ever done on an electric guitar - but in general he wasn't as good a songwriter as guitarist. He seemed to hit a dead end after that; whether he'd have found a new direction or had just said what he had to say, who knows? His legacy is limited because no-one else can play like him. When they try - like Robin Trower or Stevie Ray Vaughan - it somehow doesn't come out right. However he probably helped make the power trio such a popular format. Like Zeppelin, his influence was unfortunate because his imitators were a lot less talented than him.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jul 2014 23:03:31 BDT
Huck Flynn says:
i reckon robin trower did just fine Gille and in fact was probably a better songwriter/composer. Some of Jimi's work as a band member supporting earlier artists in US before he came over to UK was superb even though he was on a tight lead (excuse pun). Yeah, Little Wing - mighty fine. I have a fondness for the understated Wind Cries Mary

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jul 2014 00:04:58 BDT
Last edited by the author on 23 Jul 2014 00:06:20 BDT
Nout wrong with a dose of Devils Advocate,Huck,all our idols have feet of clay and should be able to withstand some intelligent criticism,never understood the complete worshiping of some artists,that every note they produced was gods gift to us mere mortals that some fans have.Never really got into Robin Trower,bought "Bridge" when it was first released because music press were lauding him as the new Hendrix but I couldn't see it myself,I was very niave back then and believed that tripe,the new Beatles,Elvis,Dylan and so on applied to so many emerging artists though I don't think it did them any favours in the long run,if a group or soloist had real talent they could stand alone and not in anyone else's shadow.If they were second or third rate copycats it soon became apparent to the discerning listener and they would soon fade into obscurity.One of my favourite Hendrix tracks is May This Be Love(Waterfall),just a gentle soothing piece of music.

Posted on 23 Jul 2014 07:23:35 BDT
it'll be a shock to hear that jimi hendrix and i have rarely disturbed each other, but great credit must go to his groundbreaking abilities and techniques, shadows of which can be heard in most genres. so my tuppence worth says that his legacy lies in his guitar playing, rather than the actual tunes, which i personally find a little dull for the most part.

Posted on 23 Jul 2014 08:30:32 BDT
Last edited by the author on 23 Jul 2014 08:33:58 BDT
I'll try and keep this short as possible.

If anything I considered Jimi' influence under-valued. He broke the mold and paved the way for so many that followed. His performance at Monterey in 67 was I consider the most significant gig for rock music where the electric guitar came of age on the world stage.

Had Hendrix lived, I'm sure he would have continued to amaze us as Miles Davis and Keith Jarrett wanted to work with him. If you have only confined your listening to the handful of official studio albums that he made then you have never understood the heart of Jimi, as whilst the studio became his home, with the tape almost continually running, it was in the live arena where he blazed like a supernova.

Trower was simply a Hendrix wannabe in my opinion, whilst no mean musician, he was as original as cheese and onion crisps!!!

There is a vast amount of Hendrix available these, go out and explore his genius (a term I seldom use). Whilst I am a through and through Deadhead, Jimi stands alone like no other!

Posted on 23 Jul 2014 09:48:01 BDT
Nugent Dirt says:
No quibbling here about where he is in the pantheon of guitar greats. Certainly he kicks the collective butt of all those overrated 'guitar heroes' who've followed in his wake. However, that his two best tunes , IMO, are both covers (Watchtower and Hey Joe) says to me his songwriting wasn't as good.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jul 2014 10:11:02 BDT
gille liath says:
He may've been, but he certainly wasn't as good a guitarist.

I guess the proof with Hendrix ultimately is that you can have as a thread title 'Jimi, the legacy' and we all know exactly who you mean. I wouldn't look at his membership of soul troupes as 'his' work. This might be a bit controversial, but critic Ian MacDonald had a theory that when he went back to America in '68 he was trying too hard to be 'black', and abandoned the experimental approach which was exactly what made him special. Became, in a word, just another guitarist.

A friend of mine used to say that, while Jimmy Page was (at his best) a better guitarist than Hendrix, Hendrix was a better singer than Plant. Which I've always thought an interesting perspective...

Posted on 23 Jul 2014 10:41:06 BDT
you can be the world's most talented and technically proficient guitarist, but it depends what you do with this, that should define. i agree with cd that hendix would only have progressed (in a devolopmental way) if he had taken to a more jazz based direction. if he had (lived and) persisted in the field of rock, then you've only to look at the washed up types that did (no names :) ) survive.

Posted on 23 Jul 2014 10:58:19 BDT
Lez Lee says:
gille, you say:
"you can have as a thread title 'Jimi, the legacy' and we all know exactly who you mean."

Isn't it because he's the only famous musician called that?

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jul 2014 10:58:49 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jul 2014 12:04:21 BDT
Huck Flynn says:
it would certainly have been fun to hear him with Miles Davis although i can't imagine he'd have confined himself to the kind of laid back vibe john mclaughlin had in Silent Way. Now, Hendrix jamming with the Dead on Dark Star would have been special.
I agree about Monterey and the other live stuff but i don't think it's entirely fair to dub Trower as a wannabe

Posted on 23 Jul 2014 12:09:34 BDT
T. Franklin says:
Not sure I can imagine Jimi fitting in well with the Dead; very different styles of playing. John McLaughlin more.

Would love to have heard Jimi jamming with the Allman Brothers though.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jul 2014 12:11:06 BDT
Brass Neck says:
'Not sure I can imagine Jimi fitting in well with the Dead' - he's had 40 odd years to get used to it? ;¨)

Posted on 23 Jul 2014 12:22:31 BDT
K.J.S. says:
Hendrix wanted to form a band with Miles Davis,Tony Williams and Paul McCartney??? in 1969 as he was fed up just playing his hits.Now that would have been interesting.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/the-beatles/10048426/Miles-DavisJimi-Hendrix-and-Paul-McCartney-supergroup-was-mooted.html

Posted on 23 Jul 2014 12:25:02 BDT
F****** love this :)

"The Wind Cries Mary"

After all the jacks are in their boxes,
and the clowns have all gone to bed,
you can hear happiness staggering on down the street,
footprints dress in red.

And the wind whispers Mary.

A broom is drearily sweeping
up the broken pieces of yesterday's life.
Somewhere a Queen is weeping,
somewhere a King has no wife.

And the wind it cries Mary.

The traffic lights they turn blue tomorrow
And shine their emptiness down on my bed,
The tiny island sags downstream
'Cos the life that they lived is dead.

And the wind screams Mary.

Will the wind ever remember
The names it has blown in the past,
And with this crutch, its old age and its wisdom
It whispers, "No, this will be the last."

And The Wind Cries Mary.

Love his Star spangled banner live at Woodstock 69 aswell :)

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jul 2014 12:41:09 BDT
Last edited by the author on 23 Jul 2014 12:41:21 BDT
Huck Flynn says:
can't imagine jimi and mccartney working well - jack bruce maybe
tony williams worked will with Miles - when he took a lead with Lifetime he tended to be too dominant (drowning out Alan Holdsworth at times - unforgiveable)
Hendrix and Zappa anybody ?

Posted on 23 Jul 2014 13:43:49 BDT
Jimi was a superb jammer who would play with anybody that he liked and would allow him to play. Some of the material I have is very fluid and loose, far different to his standard band performances. He would have had no difficulty in sitting in with The Dead, Miles, Allmans or just about any other combo you care to mention.
As I said earlier, do not judge him by his small mainstream studio output!

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jul 2014 14:58:16 BDT
crass? :)

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jul 2014 15:06:45 BDT
Not really tech, just an opinion by someone who has shedloads of his material :-)

Posted on 23 Jul 2014 15:12:57 BDT
Nugent Dirt says:
Good-oh, glad to see the phantom button pusher hasn't gone away. Maybe he's offended I said I'm not a fan of JH's music

Posted on 23 Jul 2014 15:26:24 BDT
Dan Fante says:
Apparently the Jimi biopic starring the bloke out of Outkast won't have any of Jimi's music in it after his estate wouldn't allow it to be used. Whoops.
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