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There is no such thing as good music or bad music : 'quality' is purely a subjective opinion. (I'm having a row with my son )

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Initial post: 5 May 2012 19:46:08 BDT
I say 100 years from now Bob Dylan will not be forgotten, while Justin Beiber will - and this is a question of actual quality. Yes ?

In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2012 19:49:53 BDT
A customer says:
I agree, but I bet many Bieber fans would say ' who's Bob Dylan ' and if you showed them a photo they'd say ' what a freaky old man, dad your so old and your music is weird '

Posted on 5 May 2012 19:52:33 BDT
telly addict says:
one man's quality is another man's dross, and whilst I'm not suggesting that JB will be either remembered or ignored either way, I'm sure the fans he has now will say otherwise. I am constantly astonished that many 'youngsters' don't know who Glenn Miller is or even many of the great Jazz artists, I think it depends on what you're exposed to and also how open you are to discovering stuff, I don't think it has to do with 'quality' otherwise why isn't everyone still playing Mahalia Jackson (who?????)

Posted on 5 May 2012 19:56:00 BDT
telly addict says:
sst, I love it when my kids say my music is weird lol

Actually, every time they tried to 'shock' us with something outrageous we would just say, oh try this and pop on a bit of Black Sabbath or Led Zep and they soon shut up. Regarding 'Pop' I had a fondness for 'cheesy pop' when I was younger so If I play that to them they know they can't win with the likes of NKOTB or Spice Girls coz I have many worse offenders in the old collection haha

Posted on 5 May 2012 19:57:41 BDT
Totally agree KO.

I'm sure you've seen my rants about "anti-music" so I will not repeat myself. Whilst I totally agree that whether someone finds any music enjoyable is totally subjective, but music may be considered objectively as well. To take an extreme example, if anyone considered Beethoven or Bach were poor composers, then I would seriously question their judgment, however it would be perfectly acceptable for them not to like their music; objectivity-v-subjectivity.

Posted on 5 May 2012 20:02:03 BDT
Spacepig says:
Ah now, you see, I thought about that problem before the junior Pig was even born. Simple solution? Brainwashing - so he was exposed to Hawkwind in the womb, went to his first festival (Fairport's Cropredy festival) at 5 months old and has never let up since.

No probs with Beiber or Spice Girls for me, the last CD he bought was a Porcupine Tree one.

Posted on 5 May 2012 20:05:54 BDT
Jimi Jac says:
Subjective music is artists such as Bob Dylan or The Sex pistols.
Westlife or Whitney Houston are just plain tripe!

Posted on 5 May 2012 20:13:25 BDT
telly addict says:
Spacepig, we also 'exposed' our young 'uns to music from early on attending concerts and such with them (even in the womb) I didn't mind them going through the Spice Girls/NKOTB/Take That phase it's all part of growing up, eventually they find what they like and it's often what you might like too.

Nowadays daughter No. 1 likes Pink Floyd/Fleetwood Mac/Paul Weller/Nirvana/Eminem/Black Sabbath and loads of heavier thrash metal and is attending Download as per usual this year.

Daughter No. 2 prefers singer/songwriter stuff like Joan Armatrading/Neil Finn (prob my influence there) but is more likely to listen to current stuff than the elder one, and she also likes dance/electronica more.

We just love music in this household, even the grandaughter (13 yrs old) that's where I get to hear the likes of Justin Bieber/Nicki Minaj etc, however, even she likes Fleetwood Mac and was singing their stuff by the time she was 3 yrs old lol

In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2012 20:15:13 BDT
nephran says:
Thems 1973..Thems teenagers of today have consigned thems Bob and all thems pre-2010 peoples to thems rubbish heap...It's just not thems thing..Even as thems get olders their golden oldies will be 1990's music..And then thems children will grow-ups listening to post-2020 music and thems golden oldies will be post 2000..

In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2012 20:16:57 BDT
Dave Darwin says:
100 years ago people would have said who is Justin Beiber too. Bob Dylan was not born!
In the early 19th C most people would not have known J S Bach. As to who is better - well what does 'better' mean in this context? Better at what for what? I have works by both Beiber and Bob Dylan in my CD collection also many other more obscure composers.

In 100 years time if anyone is still around to listen to music, at least people will have the opportunity to listen to both Beiber and Dylan 100 years ago they couldn't listen to either!

Posted on 5 May 2012 20:42:17 BDT
TheFoe says:
To make a comparison of Bob Dylan against Justin Beiber is bloody stupid. One is an old hippy who can't sing and put out songs for the mature audience but for some unfathomable reason means so much to so many on this forum, the other a cheeky chappy who also can't sing but was marketed for the pre teen masses. Another pointless discussion.

In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2012 20:45:46 BDT
Brass Neck says:
Which one was Bob? ;¨)

In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2012 20:59:42 BDT
Sparky says:
Just a technicality but I don't think he was ever a hippy Foe - far too canny for that nonsense.
But it's academic as I've noticed he never admits to being anything that he's been labelled as!

In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2012 21:00:52 BDT
A customer says:
a song and dance man is all I've heard him self describe

Posted on 5 May 2012 21:05:28 BDT
Last edited by the author on 5 May 2012 21:06:36 BDT
TheFoe says:
Making my point with less hostility, in the 60's there was a lot of dross and some of it, adorned by teenagers made it to the top of the charts, so why pick on a pop star from the noughties?

In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2012 21:18:52 BDT
china cat says:
Because he was having a specific discussion with his offspring rather than a generic rant?

In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2012 21:30:25 BDT
TheFoe says:
Ah ok, but who actually cares?

In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2012 21:32:49 BDT
china cat says:

Posted on 5 May 2012 22:27:30 BDT
Sparky says:
Actually the way things are going with life expectancy somebody probably will remember ...... what was his name again, in 100 years time.
Please ensure future posts are consistent with current statistical projections.

Posted on 5 May 2012 22:35:12 BDT
Last edited by the author on 5 May 2012 22:39:05 BDT
Let us hope the young continue to despise the music of their parents, and that the old continue find the music of the young not really 'music' at all.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 May 2012 00:01:16 BDT
Jimi Jac says:
Re: Justin Beiber
In 100 years time, we will probably find out that Beiber was the Worlds first Cyborg!

Posted on 6 May 2012 03:00:15 BDT
Val H. says:
I don't think it's worth arguing with your offspring re their musical tastes when they are young. Save it for when they're more mature. It's important for youngsters to have their own "idols" (I will cheerfully own up to swooning over Richard Chamberlain singing "Three Stars Will Shine Tonight" and "All I Have to Do Is Dream"). My kids all have their own tastes which have developed over the years (with much brainwashing from their parents) but they are excited at being able to re-live their childhood soon as Daughter No. 1 is going to see Hanson and Daughter No. 2 is catching S Club 7. It's just nostalgia and they know it. One day KO '73 Jr. might drag his kids along to a Justin Bieber revival show.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 May 2012 03:50:07 BDT
Wharf Rat says:
Rip Van Beiber?

Posted on 6 May 2012 04:50:05 BDT
earlollie says:
Music will be and has been here forever. Who or what makes it is immaterial.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 May 2012 06:14:39 BDT
Of course 'quality' is subjective.....good or bad is also an example of dualistic thinking that we have sadly got stuck your mind...
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