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Instrument Abuse ..... Careful With That Axe ..... Neil


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Initial post: 14 Jul 2014 16:12:21 BDT
Brass Neck says:
Last night's fairly majestic Neil Young & Crazy Horse gig finished up with Like A Hurricane. Frank Sampedro was torturing a keyboard/synth which descended on wires from the lighting gantry and swayed from side to side as he throttled it to within an inch of its life. Neil Young followed the descent into cacophony by taking his keys out of his pocket and proceeding to saw through all six strings at the body end so they hung from the headstock. He then grabbed the strings and rubbed them over the pickups to make further tortured squalls of noise until the song lumbered to a close and the gig was over. I wasn't all that impressed that such an epic song plunged into several aimless minutes of random noise rather than going out on a powerchord or two.

What's the worst treatment of an instrument of pleasure you've witnessed at a gig?

Posted on 14 Jul 2014 17:29:26 BDT
T. Franklin says:
Err, the ceaseless noise made by Leslie West at Knebworth in 1985 as he abandoned seemingly every song to tedious soloing.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jul 2014 21:52:18 BDT
Johnny Bee says:
You ain't heard nothin'

Try listening to A Letter Home

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jul 2014 22:05:38 BDT
Brass Neck says:
Pass.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jul 2014 08:24:16 BDT
I'm with you Johnny ;-)

Posted on 15 Jul 2014 09:02:56 BDT
i witnessed status quo commit the ultimate destruction to instruments of pleasure - they played them! :)

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jul 2014 13:17:48 BDT
Johnny Bee says:
I read your review, CD

Oh dear, oh dear ;-)

Posted on 15 Jul 2014 13:44:08 BDT
Derek W. says:
JB/Cornish - I have to say this is the first Neil Young release I didn't pre-order, based on some of the things I read about it before it was released. Everything I've read since has meant I still haven't bought it, and probably won't until Zoverstocks start selling them of used for £0.01:-)

Posted on 15 Jul 2014 13:48:39 BDT
SussexWelsh says:
I'm the same ... haven't heard a good word said of it so have steered well clear

Posted on 15 Jul 2014 14:15:11 BDT
Last edited by the author on 15 Jul 2014 14:55:05 BDT
Johnny Bee says:
It's good to know that CD and I are the only folks that have admitted to buying the damned thing.

Makes me feel a whole lot better ;-)

Posted on 15 Jul 2014 15:17:03 BDT
I mistakenly thought that it couldn't be as bad as the rumours I'd heard - goes to show how wrong you can be guys!!!

Posted on 15 Jul 2014 15:30:11 BDT
i thought,as an innocent bystander, i should give it a listen (via yt) - i thought it was amazing..........................that i got as far as 6.53 before turning it off :)

Posted on 15 Jul 2014 15:52:08 BDT
Mine would have to be the distortion to the microphone to Dave mustangs vocals whilst performing at the milton keyne's bowl in 1993. Metallica were headlining so I suppose it was to be expected. Was any other music forum postees at the gig

Posted on 15 Jul 2014 19:07:17 BDT
Last edited by the author on 15 Jul 2014 19:09:35 BDT
T. Franklin says:
I don't yet have Neil's "A Letter Home", but have heard a couple of tracks on the radio which seemed fine to me, so I did like tech and listened on YouTube to the spoken intro and first four songs. After doing so I think you're absolutely wrong in your dismissal of the record.

The Voice-O-Graph booth was designed to let people record audio letters onto acetate discs to send to their families, and the album should be approached in that spirit - essentially private communion between sender and recipient. All the songs chosen mean something to Young on a personal level. I was listening through the earbuds on my iPad and had no problems with the mechanical noises that irritated CD so much (it might help that I listen to quite a lot of pre-war blues and country music transferred from old and very often rare 78s; the noise on some of those is pretty intractable!). By the time "Needle of Death" was playing I barely noticed the sounds of the booth. In fact, the gaps between songs when the noise cuts out and back in again was more annoying to me :-)

So try it again through headphones. If you insist on listening on the hi-fi turn the volume down a bit from your normal listening level. It sounds silly but does help I've found with noisy 78s. Keep the volume reasonable through cans also.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jul 2014 19:45:36 BDT
Brass Neck says:
I can accept that pre-war blues recordings are a product of the audio technology of the times and that it's preferable to have transfers from often quite worn 78s to being unable to hear these seminal works. Why though, in 2014 and from an artist who lectures and lobbies on behalf of his PONO system and against the limitations of red book cds and MP3s, should such a great artist play such a huge apparent joke on his fanbase by recording on such a limited medium? It's almost par for the course with Neil Young but this seems to me a travesty which I can't see me making the necessary adjustments whether mentally or physically to try to accommodate. He could of course have released it at a really low price, it cannot after all have cost much in terms of time in state of the art recording and mixing studios, but no, it's a full-price release. I still love the guy but in a discerningly cautious way.

Posted on 15 Jul 2014 22:02:35 BDT
T. Franklin says:
Handled properly even the pre-war technology can give results on a par with much more recent recordings. The reason Robert Johnson's records usually sound so much better than his contemporaries is because the record company has still got the metal masters. Just occasionally you'll come across a transfer from an almost pristine 78, and the quality is superb.

I'd imagine both Young and White were enthralled by the booth - why else would Jack have restored it. Young obviously enough to make a record using it. If the rest of the album is similar to what I heard I could easily imagine this becoming a favourite Neil Young album for me.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jul 2014 22:17:22 BDT
Last edited by the author on 15 Jul 2014 22:18:35 BDT
Brass Neck says:
Hmmmm, two very rich men with a pet project - I hope they had great fun doing it - do not necessarily a high quality music product make. Next stop, recording using two bean cans and a length of string?

Posted on 15 Jul 2014 22:50:55 BDT
Last edited by the author on 17 Jul 2014 06:28:23 BDT
Johnny Bee says:
As a NY fan of 35 years (through Rust Never Sleeps) I can find nice things to say about Trans; Everybody's Rockin'; Landing on Water; Are You passionate et al. However, I've just listened to 'A Letter Home' through cheap Logitech computer speakers and while Bert Jansch' Needle Of Death has a certain melancholic appeal, on the whole it still sounds truly awful as it meanders in and out of tune at will. "That was a funky one" Really, Neil?!

As for his conversations with his 'ma' who passed a few years back, the word mawkish springs to mind.

Never mind, Amazon have dropped the price and HMV are selling it for £5.99 for those that are still interested - form an orderly queue now!

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jul 2014 23:38:54 BDT
T. Franklin says:
Sooner that than another over-produced sterile product of modern billion-track studios where everything is made "just so" by stretching it here and squeezing there with ProTools or whatever. ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jul 2014 01:03:03 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jul 2014 07:03:41 BDT
Brass Neck says:
What's wrong with the tool you have now?

Posted on 16 Jul 2014 08:09:28 BDT
RABB says:
I'm all for recordings sounding like a man and his guitar in a room, and most people on here are aware of my admiration for Jack White I'm sure, but Brass has hit the nail on the head. It's a vanity project that probably cost next to nothing to produce, so to charge as much as they have done on the grounds 'authenticity' or whatever takes the pish ever so slightly.

Posted on 16 Jul 2014 08:11:35 BDT
I've been a NY fan since Buffalo Springfield days, and I don't care what he reasons were for using prewar equipment, to me the recording is dire and a waste of time/resources.

Posted on 16 Jul 2014 08:15:09 BDT
the background noise/recording techniques didny actually bother me, i just generally don't 'get' neil young, so didny like it. although a noble (interesting?) concept, the recording should have been released at a low price, or even a free download. one of the things i don't get is his seeming eagerness to p*** off his audience via exercises in self indulgency.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jul 2014 08:20:44 BDT
Brass Neck says:
.... but not much time and not many resources.
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