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Five star all time, must hear afore ye die classics.....really???!!

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Posted on 10 Jan 2014 17:23:10 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jan 2014 17:33:04 GMT
Nuge, that's not the way Zon's rating system works or any other that I've ever seen.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jan 2014 18:51:54 GMT
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Brass Neck says:
Ah the Groovies. That of course is a compilation but Teenage Head is for me a stone classic original album; the best album the Stones never made (Jagger or Richards have allegedly acknowledged that it was a better album than Sticky Fingers released around the same time). It's available as a twofer with their other 4*+ album Flamingo / Teenage Head which is a great package. I first bought it some years after the fact as second hand vinyl but as soon as the needle dropped it was like a folk memory engaged and became instantly familiar and wonderful.

Posted on 10 Jan 2014 19:03:25 GMT
Brass Neck says:
Surely, while there may be minor personal preferences at play, if you like blues-based guitar rock then Led Zep 1 through 4 and Physical Graffiti are all 5 star albums. Yes the latter has some throw-away stuff on it and half the album was cobbled together from tracks already in the can which didn't make it on to earlier albums but the sheer variety of styles within the heavy rock envelope are what endears me to its sprawling majesty.

What about Queen's Sheer Heart Attack [2011 Remaster] and to a slightly lesser extent A Night At The Opera [2011 Remaster] - both 5* for me but the inclusion of tongue in cheek pastiches like Seaside Rendezvous will irritate others.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jan 2014 19:28:46 GMT
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Posted on 10 Jan 2014 19:50:04 GMT
Sparky says:
A few 5* albums in my view are Led Zeppelin IV, Planet Waves, The Band, Heavy Horses, John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band and whilst I would agree that not every track is outstanding I would still urge anyone to try and hear them if they haven't already. Sometimes it's the overall feel rather than the dissected carcass that counts.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jan 2014 19:56:30 GMT
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Brass Neck says:
It's ALWAYS the overall feel IMO, a resequencing of the tracks or inclusion of different tracks might have produced a very different response, worse than when 'bonus' tracks are added to the end of classics when rereleased like ZZ Top's Tres Hombres [Expanded & Remastered] and Fandango [Expanded & Remastered] - luckily they are now available, remastered but shorn of the so-so live additions in The Complete Studio Albums 1970-1990 - still in stock and only 20.99 at Sainsburys.

If Physical Graffiti had kicked off with the mighty side 2 (Houses/Trampled/Kashmir) would that have produced a feeling of decline through the rest?

Will there ever be a near-universally acclaimed modern classic given that most young folk download tracks not albums and if they do d/l an album like my son what they perceive as the best few tracks will go in a playlist, the rest forgotten. Thus they miss out on the album as a carefully or serendipitously sequenced whole whose peaks and less high peaks (not troughs) ingrain themselves into the psyche?

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jan 2014 19:57:16 GMT
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Red Mosquito says:
I would award both Sheer Heart Attack and A Night At The Opera a couple of stars each but that's not important. The only thing that matters is that they are classic albums in your opinion. Zep 1 through to PG I agree with and I would also include 'Presence'. If we all had the same taste there is the possibility that we'd all be driving Nissan Micras...........Oh dear!!

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jan 2014 20:03:07 GMT
Yes, those extra ZZ tracks added nothing except disappointment in so far as they ought to have been better, cos there are still better gems still lurking out there....

Posted on 10 Jan 2014 20:03:17 GMT
TheFoe says:
I was going to mention Nirvana's'Nevermind or Pearl Jam's 'Ten' as being pretty close to 5 star albums as neither imo contain much filler. Do I own ANY album that has not one weak song? Probably not. I do own and drive a Nissan Micra though. :-(

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jan 2014 20:06:56 GMT
Brass Neck says:
Do you give test drives to those less fortunate? ;)

Posted on 10 Jan 2014 20:10:43 GMT
TheFoe says:
Nah it's an automatic, small with a big exhaust just like its owner! ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jan 2014 20:12:54 GMT
Last edited by the author on 10 Jan 2014 20:13:04 GMT
Brass Neck says:
Now, Reliant Robins, there WAS a motor!

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jan 2014 20:17:07 GMT
My son had a Micra for a few years, the style with the "frog eyes". My wife knicknamed it the Tardis as it always appeared so much larger on the inside than the outside!

Posted on 10 Jan 2014 23:32:21 GMT
Red Mosquito says:
Irrespective of all our differing tastes surely a classic has to be a perfect album with every track being a 10/10 gem. I've found about 40 in my life time (so far, I'm still looking) that's about one a year since I started enjoying music. I probably try approx 30 new albums each year. If I croak when I'm 80, I'm only going to find another 23 perfect albums. I'm not a massive collector I have about 600 albums. I rate most of them 9/10, Excellent / very good.

Posted on 10 Jan 2014 23:45:21 GMT
FDJ says:
I think a "classic" album and a "perfect" album are two distinctly different things. For me the term "classic" would be an album that was an icon of a time ,a style, a culture and influenced a shift in music whereas a "perfect" album would just suggest an album that every track on it was good.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jan 2014 02:48:07 GMT
easytiger says:
LZ III would have been a 5 star if it had only one side.
I nom 2 live albums for 5 star awards. 'If you want blood....' and 'Stupidity'. can't think of one on 'No sleep..' either for that matter.

Posted on 11 Jan 2014 02:50:58 GMT
easytiger says:
'Abraxas' spoilt by 'Samba Pa Ti'

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jan 2014 09:20:12 GMT
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What, what, WHAT???????
How can you say that about such a beautiful track!!!

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jan 2014 10:17:39 GMT
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Red Mosquito says:
Fair point FDJ. I was referring to a more personal perspective as opposed to a universal view but I appreciate where you are with your 'classic' definition. However Phaedra ticked all your boxes when it was released in 1974. I don't think it's universally considered a classic but it is one of mine and was one of the albums that announced to our previously, musically conservative, nation that 'Krautrock' has arrived.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jan 2014 14:25:12 GMT
easytiger says:
As a great fan of Santana it's thier version of Stairway to heaven - overplayed and booooooooring.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jan 2014 14:48:27 GMT
LOVE Santana tiger, never got tired of that and I couldn't hazard a guess at how many times I've heard it or played the album!

Posted on 11 Jan 2014 20:56:34 GMT
RedAlFire says:
I gotta side with Cornish on this easy, Samba Pa Ti may well be the equivalent of Albatross to some but it is a beautiful piece of music which still hits the pleasure buttons (as indeed does the bird song).

Posted on 11 Jan 2014 21:09:26 GMT
Brass Neck says:
Ultimately it doesn't matter what an individual thinks, classic 'hear before you shuffle off' albums are regarded WIDELY as such. They captured the zeitgeist of a period of time and a musical genre and gained traction in the collective western psyche. Some may seem dated or passe when approached decades after they hit but for those who were around at the time they still hold immense sway. Such albums may not be 100% perfect; no doubt 'perfection' was not even in the minds of the artists when they were engaged in the creative and recording process, but they were taken as a whole into the hearts and lives of their proponents. They had and still have a real emotional grip and MEANING and there will be many, almost certainly a majority (do MOST people care that much about music?), who just don't get it and never will but ....... so what?

And yes, Nirvana's Nevermind and Pearl Jam's 10 qualify big time (IMO).

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jan 2014 22:22:13 GMT
Red Mosquito says:
So it sounds as though you are suggesting there is a pre determined list based on your suggested criteria. I don't think there is, but if there is isn't that the end of the discussion?
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