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Krautrock..so far ahead of the game


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In reply to an earlier post on 2 Aug 2012 19:10:54 BDT
Spacepig says:
Just listened to a track on youtube RM, and ended up grabbing one of the used CDs, good shout!

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Aug 2012 19:27:04 BDT
Red Mosquito says:
I'm sure you'll enjoy it Spacepig. Just one left now at the give away price of 2.25 +p&p

Posted on 2 Aug 2012 19:55:05 BDT
Spacepig says:
More new krautrockers - K-X-P, from Finland. Not so much on their CDs, but live it is blatantly obvious who this lot have been listening to, but somehow they seem to have updated it. Sorry about the crackles at the start, it was just filmed with a little digi camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uapw0B5c-1k

Posted on 6 Aug 2012 08:40:44 BDT
Last edited by the author on 6 Aug 2012 08:43:40 BDT
Electric Orange - Krautrock from Hell

Chorg;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXBNbYN4De4

Neuronomicon (part 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBelaV4ZX5g&feature=related

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Aug 2012 18:55:36 BDT
Red Mosquito says:
Thanks for the rec Spacepig. I've listened to this a few times now K-X-P A really good album

Posted on 20 Aug 2012 13:30:11 BDT
Cartimand says:
I've been a great fan of the early German electronic music since my school days. When my mates were into Status Quo, T-Rex and Slade, I was freaking out to Ash Ra Tempel, Can and Guru Guru.

Particular favourites are; Schwingungen, Ash Ra Tempel, UFO .

Posted on 20 Aug 2012 14:17:51 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 Aug 2012 14:19:14 BDT
Vaughan says:
I don't think Stockhausen was much of an influence, he made very few electronic works.

To get to the roots of Krautrock you must examine Musique Concrete. Electronic music was being made in the 50's, check out the soundtrack to Forbidden Planet for an early example. Check out the work of Pauline Oliveros, Pierre Schaeffer, Lou Ferrari, Some of Legeti's pieces, Miklos Rozba (from 1945!), Ussachevsky, Dockstader etc.

Krautrockers tend to get annoyed when they're compared to Stockhausen. For example, Klaus Schulze gets quite angry! Indeed, Stockhausen worked electronically for a very short time - people tend to throw his name in because a) He's German; b) He's avant garde; c) People tend to have heard of him.

I'm struggling to find anyone influenced by Georgio Moroder - though I enjoy a couple of his soundtracks (Cat People is incredible).

What followed on from Musique Concrete, which itself goes back to the 1920's, are improvements in TECHNOLOGY, not really style or substance. Synths as we know them today came about, got cheaper, smaller, more available. If you look at, say, Faust..... they're really doing classic Musique Concrete, but they have access to more modern recording techniques etc.

Posted on 21 Aug 2012 17:21:19 BDT
Last edited by the author on 21 Aug 2012 17:26:33 BDT
Cactus Dave says:
You could look at it in a different way if you play an instrument and say someone like eno, kraftework, are very untalented, muscians who have a limited ability, so try to play in an uncoventional way, which might sound original to some people, but not to others, rock is strong word to use when it comes to germans, scorpions rock sure, ramstein, because they are a rock band, but the electronic ones dont know how they can be even classed as rock, its just atmospheric sounds and trying too be weird just for the sake of it, as i said each to there own, so dont quote me please.

Posted on 21 Aug 2012 17:45:53 BDT
Last edited by the author on 21 Aug 2012 17:47:49 BDT
Spacepig says:
"dont quote me please"

Not sure that there is anything there worth quoting to tell the truth.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Aug 2012 17:47:31 BDT
2old4925 says:
Kraftwerk's Florian Schneider played flute, violin, guitar & piano - but apart from that was completely untalented!!! Suggest you do a bit of research before commenting O30.

Posted on 21 Aug 2012 17:58:12 BDT
Last edited by the author on 21 Aug 2012 18:47:00 BDT
Cactus Dave says:
As i said each to there own, but dont make it out to be the best thing since sliced bread, or they would of had some of the best bands in the world, but they were just underground im afraid and thats where they will stay, you have to have a personality as well in this business which the germans do not have.

I can play guitar & piano but unless im making a difference to the music business doesnt make me talented its just your opinion, but if you play an instrument you might look at it differently, when you are using a lot of affects it covers your real talent just like playing the guitar with pedals, i can see how if your really into that kind of music it could, cloud your judgement, its the whole point of synth music, its lazy.

Posted on 22 Aug 2012 07:16:17 BDT
Last edited by the author on 22 Aug 2012 07:17:25 BDT
Vaughan says:
Oh brother, someone else who confuses success and popularity with quality..... So I guess Abba must have been quite a brilliant band, sold a lot, wrote their own songs, played the instruments. Cheryl Cole sells a lot, must be great!

Tangerine Dream are one of the greatest bands there's been (in their many guises). They've put out more than 70 albums, so someone must have been buying them.

And I suppose composers such as John Adams, Gavin Bryars, let alone the classics were also untalented, since they couldn't play the instruments they composed for. What a shallow view of music you have.......

The fact is, music is a many faceted art form. If you want to compare who is the best guitarist, then fine (it's Richard Thompson, by the way). But to talk MUSIC then you're missing the point entirely. Actually I'm not even sure why I'm bothering to respond to you. You come across as..... a bit immature if I'm honest. Your view of "synth music" harkens back to the era where musicians were up in arms because they were afraid they'd be driven out of work. It's hysterical nonsense.

Now, go buy Peter Gabriel's Security album, and tell me that he has no talent for music.......

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Aug 2012 09:18:43 BDT
Last edited by the author on 22 Aug 2012 09:21:51 BDT
Nugent Dirt says:
Oh mercy, what have we here?

Posted on 22 Aug 2012 11:28:32 BDT
Last edited by the author on 22 Aug 2012 13:24:10 BDT
And you don't sound immature, Vaughan? ...knocking a class act like ABBA because they have sold by the bucketload ? ABBA were a brilliant band , many rock musicians would agree with this , even if they don't like or are not influenced by the style of music. ...and the number of albums you release is no guide to quality either...Max Bygraves has over 80 to his credit, so by your reckoning he must be better than Tangerine Dream.

I agree with some of what you said , but your snobbishness in musical taste is detracting from the point you are trying to make.

Posted on 6 May 2013 09:51:24 BDT
Cartimand says:
Got tickets for Ash Ra (Tempel)'s grand reunion concert in Berlin on 15th June!
My life is now complete!

Posted on 6 May 2013 10:28:49 BDT
'...when you are using a lot of affects it covers your real talent just like playing the guitar with pedals, i can see how if your really into that kind of music it could, cloud your judgement, its the whole point of synth music, its lazy.'

I agree that synths can cover a multitude of sins but when I listen to the propulsive majesty of Kraftwerk's Europe Endless it's hard to imagine its impact being retained if played on more 'traditional' instrumental configurations. In Kraftwerk's case I certainly don't think the use of synths reflects a lack of integrity on their part - electronics just happened to be the best medium for their particular soundworld.

Posted on 6 May 2013 11:28:01 BDT
Last edited by the author on 6 May 2013 16:32:42 BDT
Red Mosquito says:
I disagree with your view about synthetic music being lazy SCH. I've recently started to listen to some contemporary electronica in an attempt to find something that's progressive in this sterile musical world of 'it's been done before'. There are some extremely skillful electronica musicians out there who are not content with copying the early Krautrock musicians and are making stuff that sounds refreshingly new. I always looking for new conventional music that sounds different to the usual conveyor belt releases. Can you recommend something, without affects, that I could try?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 May 2013 12:50:02 BDT
Last edited by the author on 6 May 2013 12:50:52 BDT
I was quoting from a previous post in my first paragraph, RM. As regards pointers to current music, I'm not the man to ask, really - I'm not particularly aware of what's about these days.

Posted on 6 May 2013 13:22:58 BDT
Last edited by the author on 6 May 2013 13:25:47 BDT
High Voltage! Giant Steps & Flashpoints In 20th Century Experimental & Electronic Sound - many of the roots of Krautrock are here...was Stockhausen the first krautrocker ?

Studie I (Karlheinz Stockhausen) - Karlheinz Stockhausen

Posted on 6 May 2013 14:22:10 BDT
BOF says:
Krautrock - wonderful moments - terrible half hours!

best bones
B.O.F.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 May 2013 16:32:15 BDT
Last edited by the author on 6 May 2013 18:50:55 BDT
Red Mosquito says:
Sorry SCH. I now see that your first paragraph was a quote. My apologies.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 May 2013 16:34:30 BDT
Red Mosquito says:
The trick is to avoid the terrible half hours, of which there are many, and just listen to the wonderful moments

In reply to an earlier post on 6 May 2013 16:37:49 BDT
Red Mosquito says:
Some are of the view that it all started with two schools, Stockhausen's and the Berlin School of Music.

Posted on 6 May 2013 18:45:54 BDT
what about folky krautrock - there were moments...

In reply to an earlier post on 6 May 2013 22:42:08 BDT
Looks like a winner, KO!!
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