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Johnny Rottens on question time : who cares ?


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Initial post: 5 Jul 2012 17:12:21 BDT
I am hoping he will finally assert his antichristdom right there on the live bbc - damning all bankers, politicians, health service managers, expense fiddling swine of every ilk, scoungers and dossers, dealers and pimps and estate agents down to the deepest pits of hades

(where they will be forced to listen to sex pistol demos for eternity...)
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Posted on 5 Jul 2012 17:32:13 BDT
Gordon D says:
Last time I saw him on a BBC panel show it was Juke Box Jury in 1979: he flounced off at some point because nobody was listening to him.

Then again, the last time I watched Question Time was probably around 1990. Lydon could have been on it every week and I wouldn't have noticed. The toe-curling spectacle of Westminster lobby-fodder reciting party lines and C-list slebs posing as human beings is every bit as unwatchable as Eastenders, Paris Hilton's New Best Friend, ITV Play, etc.

Posted on 5 Jul 2012 18:20:53 BDT
Leftin says:
I saw that debacle too, Gordon. It was a very staged walk-off, and was neither shocking nor interesting.

However, John Lydon was hilarious at Finsbury Park Punk Festival in '96 (yes, I was there). "We're back, fat and 40!" was his first announcement, resulting in 50,000 people yelling: "You fat BASTards! You fat BASTards!" "Now don't be naughty," he chided - "I Did You No Wrong!"

I say he should stick to Sex Pistols reunion gigs until he's 90.

(Alexei Sayle was great on Question Time earlier this year.)

Posted on 5 Jul 2012 18:21:44 BDT
KO1973: Will the list also include his agent, accountant, advertising manager and favourite butter manufacturer?

Posted on 5 Jul 2012 18:56:42 BDT
It'll be good for a laugh....He still shakes things up!!!!

Posted on 5 Jul 2012 19:03:17 BDT
Johnny Bee says:
An old duffer with a daft haircut and ill-fitting suit. Should think he'll fit in quite nicely, thank you very much.

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Jul 2012 19:39:27 BDT
he's no saint Mr Cryer - I'm not a fan particularly : perhaps a better thread would be - which other musical God would you like to see grace the august halls of the great Question Time ?

Tom Waits, some grunting boy band dummy, Mark E Smith...??

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Jul 2012 19:47:39 BDT
Leftin says:
Van Morrison. :)

Posted on 5 Jul 2012 20:32:15 BDT
J Fenner says:
Zach De La Rocha would be fun.

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Jul 2012 20:38:30 BDT
M. A. Baker says:
Mark E smith? He wouldn't take any prisoners.

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Jul 2012 20:42:01 BDT
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Brass Neck says:
Shane McGowan? He wouldn't make mush shensh!

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Jul 2012 20:46:06 BDT
Brass Neck says:
Ozzy Osbourne? But SHAAAAROOON would need to be close at hand!

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Jul 2012 20:58:24 BDT
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Gordon D says:
Tom Waits would be interesting. A man who refuses to let his music be used for advertising of any kind must be respected. Also, he demonstrated with The Road to Peace that he is a member of the minority of people in the world who can see that neither side in the Arab-Israeli conflict has any claim to be the good guys.

Posted on 6 Jul 2012 09:47:07 BDT
Nugent Dirt says:
If I'd lived in Blighty I'd watch as I have quite a soft spot for old Lydon. An interesting mix of the articulate, self-educated and deeply cynical. The programme needs someone apolitical like that to counter the programmed dullards/cyborgs that trot out the party line ad infinitum and self righteous bores from NGOs like that woman who heads up Liberty. Now there's a woman asking to be happy slapped. What the programme doesn't need are professional lefty comedians or minor Tory boy TV celebs from the Home Counties.

Posted on 6 Jul 2012 10:38:05 BDT
KO1973: I don't expect JR to be a saint but his days of being the Antichrist (assuming it was anything other than a marketing gimmick) are long past.

I have no problem with pop/rock stars, ex- or current having political views and expressing them, even when I disagree with them. It is far better than bland pronouncements (usually self-serving) from popstars and sportspersons that politics should be kept out of music, sport etc.

As far as QT is concerned I am with Gordon though he has seen it more recently than me.

Posted on 6 Jul 2012 11:42:07 BDT
Well it was nothing particularly earth shattering was it? Then again, I don't believe that Lydon went on the programme purely to stir up controversy. The man is a global icon. He is long past the point of needing to make a name for himself. Aside from one or two somewhat pretentious statements, I thought he argued his points with typically concise articulacy and forthrightness. I especially enjoyed his dismissal of Louise Mensch's pathetic 'I overcame a class A drug addiction' BS.
I agree with Gordon's assessment of the whole culture and dynamic of Question Time and will readily admit that I only watched last night because Lydon was on it, and his presence still carries an immense intrigue value, even after all these years. However, I actually found Dominic Lawson's contributions to be the highlight, in terms of providing independent and free-thinking insight and stimulating thought. I shall be reading his pieces on a regular basis from now on.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jul 2012 18:27:07 BDT
Leftin says:
Liq.: Dominic Lawson writes for i (or The I), and is pretty frank and fearless. I'm assuming he's Nigel's son, as he looks like him, but he doesn't come across as a Thatcher apologist. Does he write for The Independent as well? I can't afford that 'paper, let alone television!

Posted on 6 Jul 2012 18:47:53 BDT
My personal opinion is that Rotten is articulate, and intelligent, which is more than can be said for todays singers/musicians, who are self serving and pathetic, boring and up their ass...Pull yer fingers out boys, daytime radio is dead....
CJA

Posted on 6 Jul 2012 21:01:57 BDT
Sparky says:
I was very sceptical but must say I thought he did a pretty good job as the punk on the Clapham omnibus and I wouldn't be surprised if he won a few more fans during the course of the show.
He's certainly not un-fond of the sound of his own voice - watch out Dimbleby!!

Posted on 6 Jul 2012 21:36:36 BDT
Good old John, straight to the point as always - especially "stop blaming eachother, get together and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT". Only trumped by the lady in the audience who said "my question would be when are governments going to stop blaming the previous government and start running the country" - A few more of Lydon in Westminster are GREATLY NEEDED. He's also spot on about us Scots. Yes we will soon be Independant and FREE of the farce that is Westminster.

Posted on 9 Jul 2012 00:41:57 BDT
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ric_mac says:
Lydon expressed several times himself that he didn't know what he was talking about but it didn't stop him yacking over the top of other people incessantly, including the audience -- who often had more meaningful things to say. Of course the politicos are full of blather but Lydon pointing out the flippin' obvious doesn't make him wise. The inclusion of celebs on Question Time, with few exceptions, is an invitation to narcissism. There are interesting and erudite people who could be invited to make proceedings more lively and incisive. Lydon isn't one of them IMO. His endless (often unsuccessful) playing to the audience was also quite cringeworthy.

Posted on 9 Jul 2012 01:55:50 BDT
Sheepish says:
All the other panelists didn't know how to handle him. They all looked scared of him.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jul 2012 12:27:20 BDT
Sparky says:
Hi ric_mac, I agree he hammed it up a bit too much but Question Time is a bunfight and it seems that's what people want - judging by most of the texts it's all the viewing audience could handle!
A panel of interesting and erudite people would probably cause a massive dip in the ratings so I can't see it somehow.
Not saying this is a good situation, just pointing out the obvious ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jul 2012 12:54:40 BDT
TheFoe says:
Couldn't agree more! I actually quite like Lydon but was annoyed by the way he kept butting in, like a petulant child. As the saying goes ""Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt". Stating the bleeding obvious is foolish imo.

Posted on 9 Jul 2012 12:57:03 BDT
suziex says:
I can't take this man seriously , and I don't think he does either.
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