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Initial post: 11 Jul 2013 11:32:26 BDT
Last edited by the author on 12 Jul 2013 11:25:07 BDT
do you know how much a removal van is to hire?

with the recent apparent interest in the medium, i have cobbled together a 'starter's guide' based on quality, value and availability of these dub pieces - not definitive, but they exemplify a number of styles and approaches - all (imo) are great dips, and if bought in a 'wanner', it would cost less than £67 -

Super Ape
Father of Dub - good 1st purchase
Trojan Presents: Dub
Meets Rockers Uptown - a little more expensive, but absolutely essential
Dubwise
Rasta Communication - 2xcd (cd1-album & 12" mixes - cd2 - dub of album)
Dub - budget classic comp.
King Size Dub ...Crucial Recordings In The Name Of
In a Revival Dub
Trojan: Foundation Dub

to follow - same thing with roots recs

Posted on 11 Jul 2013 12:15:36 BDT
Last edited by the author on 12 Jul 2013 11:28:30 BDT
as promised/threatened - if you have a notion to explore some roots, and have a little over £50 to spend, take a pop at the following. again based on qvc (quality, value and.......erm..........craig), without entering the realms of stupid£99 - ever hopeful for the great summer reggae revival.

Marcus Garvey / Garvey's Ghost
Heart Of The Congos
Message From The King
Two Sevens Clash
Skanking Easy
Arise - the brilliant 'satta massagana' currently approaching stupid£99
Cool Ruler
Skylarking: the Best of Horace Andy
Hi, Yo Silver, Away! - a bit of toasting for the bundle
Sipple Out Deh: The Black Ark Years

again, by no means definitive, but i would suggest a lot of good starting places here - as they say - 'stay dread'

Posted on 11 Jul 2013 12:39:39 BDT
another source of interest for the curious, might be this tremendous series - each box contains 4 albums, in lp replica sleeves and a short booklet - outstanding products, averaging at just over £3 an album - i'm collecting from 7-1.

The Evolution Of Dub Vol. 1: The Origin Of The Species (Box Set)
The Evolution Of Dub Vol. 2 - The Great Leap Forward (Box Set)
The Evolution Of Dub Vol. 3 - The Decent Of Version
The Evolution Of Dub Vol. 4 - Natural Selection
The Evolution Of Dub Vol. 5 - The Missing Link
The Evolution of Dub Vol. 6 - Was Prince Jammy an Astronaut?
Evolution Of Dub Vol. 7: Creationist Rebel

please feel free to contribute/inquire/recommend/argue, and above all enjoy the music.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jul 2013 13:01:04 BDT
Johnny Bee says:
Hey, thanks Serge.

I'm doing better than I thought as I have quite a bit of the stuff listed in your first 2 posts, and will certainly investigate the Evaluation of Dub series.

And you've managed to piss someone off - well done sir!

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jul 2013 14:05:30 BDT
pleasure johnny, i'm hoping to receive as many recs as well - as much as i appreciate the genre, i dont know the half of it (and that's probably overestimating things)

Posted on 11 Jul 2013 15:35:56 BDT
S.R.J says:
This was considered a fine work at the time-" LKJ In Dub " , still got a vinyl copy somewhere.
S.R.J

Posted on 11 Jul 2013 15:36:10 BDT
Nugent Dirt says:
Got a fair few of those serge to which I'll add
Blackwood Dub
Rids The World Of The Evil Curse Of The Vampires
The Dub Factor
Dangerous Dub
Trojan Presents: Dub
King Tubbys Prophecy Of Dub
Riddim: The Best Of Sly & Robbie In Dub 1978-1985

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jul 2013 16:11:37 BDT
and it still is, runs to 3 vols, blackbeard at the helm - much also found in that ole mf favourite Independant Intavenshan

should've compiled a uk list as well (and will)

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jul 2013 16:19:32 BDT
absolutely sound, pity most of the'scientist meets....' albums are in the silly£99 zone, as they deserve a wider audience. 'riddim's a good choice - i have several of the 'single artist' trojan doubles (fopp used to throw them out at £3 - £5 a time)

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Posted on 11 Jul 2013 19:26:05 BDT
Last edited by the author on 11 Jul 2013 19:33:29 BDT
Brass Neck says:
Can't help feeling Blackwood Dub is getting a little TOO much love, it was certainly novel to hear a noughties dub album based on new recordings rather than slathering reverb and fiddling with the faders on old backing tracks but it feels too 'safe' to me and doesn't get played much.

Two other 'nice' but not too heavyweight dub albums are the Studio One pair on Soul Jazz - Studio One Dub [VINYL] and Studio One Dub 2 (never seen a vinyl cd though as per the first listing).

As well as Garvey's Ghost Winston Rodney, Burning Spear to thee and me, has a series of strong dub albums which don't rely on recycling the same old backing tracks - Living Dub Vol 1 and Living Dub Vol 2 are the ones I have (got for about a tenner each on the auction site)

Posted on 11 Jul 2013 19:44:26 BDT
Elastic Rock says:
A nice little list from the Rubbin' The Dub website. Should keep us busy for a while!!!!

1.King Tubby Meets The Upsetter At The Grass Roots Of Dub (Fay Music - LP/CD)
2.King Tubby Meets The Rockers Uptown (Clocktower - LP/CD)
3.King Tubby Meets The Agrovators At Dub Station (Live & Love - LP/CD)
4.Pick A Dub (Atra - LP/CD)
5.King Of The Dub Rock (Safari - LP/CD)
6.Dub From The Roots (Total Sounds - LP/CD)
7.Blackboard Jungle (Upsetter - LP/CD)
8.Satisfaction In Dub (Earthquake - LP only)
9.Vital Dub (Virgin - LP/CD)
10.Revolution Dub (Cactus - LP/CD)
11.Dub Festival (Third Wotld - LP only)
12.Ras Claat Dub (Grounation - LP only)
13.King Tubby's Vengeance (Prophets - LP only)
14.More Scrubbing The Dub (Crystal - LP only)
15.Out Of One Man Comes Many Dubs (Ethnic Fight - LP only)
16.King Tubby's Prophecy Of Dub (Prestige - LP/CD)
17.Randy's Dub (Impact - LP only)
18.Treasure Dub (Treasure Isle - LP/CD)
19.Dub Serial (Joe Gibbs - LP only)
20.Dub In Blood (Sunshot - LP only)



Black Echoes Best Of The Rest:

21.This Is Augustus Pablo (Tropical - LP/CD)
22.King Tubby Surrounded By The Dreads At The National Arena (Fay Music - LP/CD)
23.Tribesman Assault (City Line - LP/CD)
24.Brand (Brand - LP/CD)
25.African Dub (Joe Gibbs - LP/CD)
26.Natty Locks Dub (Fay Music - LP only)
27.Dubbing With The Observer (Attack - LP only)
28.Gun Court Dub (Love - LP only)
29.Scratch The Upsetter (Upsetter - LP only)
30.Batta Dub (Well Charge - LP only)
31.Contempo (Black Jade - LP only)
32.Music Explosion (Ethnic Fight - LP only)
33.Thriller (Nationwide - LP only)
34.Dub Basket (Cactus - LP/CD)
35.The Message Dubwise (Melodisc - LP only)

The following are in no particular order of merit, but No's 36-70 are all regarded to be a fair selection of Dub goodies, whilst 71 onwards are merely worthwhile.

36.Tradition Style Dub (B.P.I. - LP only)
37.Ital Dub (Trojan - LP/CD)
38.Dread Locks Dread (Klik - LP only)
39.Dub Up Tenement Yard (Observer - LP only)
40.Medley Dub (High Note - LP only)
41.Creation Of Dub (Total Sounds - LP only)
42.Scrub A Dub (Crystal - LP only)
43.Rebel Dub (Third World - LP only)
44.Aquarius Dub (Aquarius - LP only)
45.Dub Sensation (Soundtracks - LP only)
46.King Tubby Presents Roots Of Dub (Grounation - LP only)
47.Sledge Hammer (Observer - LP/CD)
48.Sir Collins Music Wheel (Nice One - LP only)
49.Ganja (Harry J - LP only)
50.Kung Fu Meets The Dragon (DIP - LP/CD)
51.Dub I (Micron - LP only)
52.Herbs Of Dub (Micron - LP only)
53.African Dub Chapter Two (Joe Gibbs - LP/CD)
54.ABC Dub (Penetrate - LP only)
55.Rhythm Shower (Upsetter - LP only)
56.Dub Store Special (Studio One - LP only)
57.Satta Dub Strictly Roots (Well Charge - LP only)
58.Agrovators Meet Revolutionaries At Channel One (Third World - LP/CD)
59.Pleasure Dub (Treasure Isle - LP/CD)
60.Cookin' (Horse - LP only)
61.Everlasting Dub (High Note - LP only)
62.Rasta Dub '76 (Grounation - LP only)
63.Bionic Dub (Forward - LP only)
64.Hi Fashion Dub Top Ten (Studio One - LP only)
65.Return Of Wax (Upsetter - LP/CD)
66.Earthquake Dub (Joe Gibbs - LP/CD)
67.Sample Dub (Winro - LP only)
68.Harder Shade Of Black (Santic - LP/CD)
69.Prophets Bootleg Dub (White label - LP only)
70.Yamaha Skank At Dr. Satans Echo Chamber (Underworld - LP/CD)
71.Chant Down Babylon Kingdom (Nationwide - LP/CD)
72.Strictly Rockers Ina Dread Land (Live & Love - LP only)
73.Better Dub (Studio One - LP only)
74.Revolutionaries Sounds (Well Charge - LP/CD)
75.A Who Seh? Go Deh! (Rama - LP only)
76.Jah Jah Dub (Harry J - LP only)
77.Zodiac Sounds (Forwad - LP only)
78.Aquarius Dub Vol. 2 (Aquarius - LP only)
79.Garvey's Ghost Dub (Wolf - LP only)
80.Morris On Dub (Harry J - LP only)
81.King Tubby Meets Harry Mudie In Dub Conference (Moodisc - LP/CD)
82.Roots Dub (Winro - LP only)
83.Ital Talk (Jigsaw - LP only)
84.Dreadlocks In Jamaica (Live & Love - LP only)
85.Money Maker Dub (Studio One - LP only)
86.More Dub (Joe Gibbs - LP only)
87.Bag-O-Wire (Klik - LP only)
88.Revival Dub (Well Charge - LP only)
89.Straight To Babylon Chest (Live & Love - LP only)
90.Soul Revolution Pt. 3 (Upsetter - LP only)
91.Ital Dub (Studio One - LP/CD)
92.Treasure Dub Vol. 2 (Treasure Isle - LP/CD)
93.Fighting Dub (Love - LP only)
94.Reggae Confusion (Third World - LP only)
95.BB Seaton's Revolutionary Dub (Trenchtown - LP only)
96.Shalom Dub (Klik - LP/CD)
97.Leggo! Ah Fe We Dis (Rama - LP only)
98.Tapper Zukie In Dub (Stars - LP/CD)
99.Dub Basket Chapter Two (Cactus - LP/CD)
100.Zion Hill Dub (Terminal - LP only)
101.Ital Sounds And System (Studio One - LP only)
102.Collie Dub (Jigsaw - LP only)
103.Scientific Higher Rankin' Dub (Rama - LP only)
104.State Of Emergency (Joe Gibbs - LP/CD)
105.Sir Collins In Session (Nice One - LP only)
106.Mellow Dub (Studio One - LP only)
107.Reggae Confusion Vol. 2 (Third World - LP only)
108.Twelve Tribes Of Israel (Lucky - LP only)
109.Johnny Clarke Disco Dub (justice - LP only)
110.Ja-Man Dub (Ja-Man - LP/CD)
111.Can't Conquer Rasta (Justice - LP only)
112.Cloak And Dagger (Trojan - LP only)
113.Dub Me (Mor-Well - LP/CD)
114.Reggae Bones (Upsetter - LP only)
115.African Dub Chapter Three (Joe Gibbs - LP/CD)
116.Tommy McCook Instrumental (Justice - LP only)
117.Rasta Dub '77 (Micron - LP only)
118.Concrete Dub (Concrete Jungle - LP only)
119.Instrumental Explosion (Diamond - LP only)
120.Wareika Dub (Ghetto Rockers - LP/CD)
121.Musical Dub (Virgin - LP only)
122.Presenting Coxsone Affair (Tribes - LP only)
123.Step Forward Youth (Live & Love - LP only)
124.Entering The Dragon (Magnet - LP/CD)
125.Ranking Dillinger In Dub (Jackpot - LP only)

Note: The record labels mentioned are from the initial LP releases. Those that got a re-issue on CD, although sometimes not in their original form i.e. different tracklisting and eventually with bonus tracks, are indicated for your convenience.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jul 2013 20:13:11 BDT
Last edited by the author on 11 Jul 2013 20:15:32 BDT
Brass Neck says:
Every one of the Blood & Fire dub re-releases has been top notch both musically and sonically, really great remastering from mostly vinyl sources. Unfortunately they are out of print and priced accordingly though s/h ones can be had at reasonable money;

Pick A Dub - Keith Hudson, a total mindtrip of a dub album
Dub Gone Crazy: The Evolution Of Dub At King Tubby's 1975 - 1979
Dub Gone 2 Crazy: In Fine Style [1975 - 1979]
Heavyweight Dub/Killer Dub
Dub It To The Top: 1976 - 1979
Blazing Horns/Tenor In Roots - Tommy McCook, wonderfully different dub with his sax heavily to the fore.
Umoja: 20th Century Dubwise (Mixed By Prince Jammy)
Forward The Bass
In The Light / In The Light Dub - Horace Andy - twofer of the vocal and dub albums

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2013 08:03:08 BDT
aye, brass, some belters there. 'pick a dub' will be in most folk's top five dub albums. i very much enjoy hudson's dub - distinctive and inventive - shame they're a bit pricey - another of his classics, which was among his last recordings is Playing It Cool (too much detail on the cover). had he lived, he would have taken dub to whole new places.
btw - having a wee deck at spear dubs, if you have the 2-disc 'freeman', then you also have vol 6 in the series.

Posted on 12 Jul 2013 10:40:05 BDT
Mr. Robert Griffiths says:
Can't argue with any of those, however, reading down the thread the absence of Mr Nesta Robert Marley is interesting. So, to compensate, what are people's favourite "Bob" associated albums? Let the arguments begin......

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tech sergeant says:
my appreciation of bob marley is of that as a figurehead or an ambassador for reggae, rather than an artist. no doubting his charisma or his talent, but i find his music to be somewhat 'light'. he was presented by blackwell/island to the world as a 'rock band', the structure of which was alien to the jamaican norm, who were not used to the concept of a touring band, or even albums at the time. so, nothing against him, there were just a lot of reggae sounds that i preferred.
although i dont own any marley, i would say the first 2 ls perry produced albums and 'exodus' were his finest.

posted yesterday and brought here from '5 albums' thread on reggae forum (no end to my tech skills) along with my initial reply - there is nary a mention of bob marley in any of the reggae forums - is this weird? notions?

Posted on 12 Jul 2013 10:51:15 BDT
Last edited by the author on 12 Jul 2013 11:06:43 BDT
Elastic Rock says:
Tech, much like The Beatles, Bobs music seems omnipresent. We all know it so well that we don't bother with it too much anymore. I own most of Bobs albums but if i'm in a reggae mood i'll always go for a bit of Keith Hudson or Burning Spear. I went through the Bob Marley "stage" in my teens, but I suppose you just move on and want to discover the "real deal" in Reggae. That's the way I see it anyway.

Now, where is my copy of Survival!!! ;o)

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2013 10:58:04 BDT
cheers for your extensive list - my first thought was 'christ, does he have all those albums? i give up' - it would be interesting to see a ball-park figure for the cost of that lot (the ones that you can still get)

Posted on 12 Jul 2013 15:21:44 BDT
Last edited by the author on 12 Jul 2013 16:42:40 BDT
uk reggae - a different animal to the jamaican counterpart, but prone to producing music that is the equal of homeland reggae. here are some favourites -

albums

lkj -Independant Intavenshan/ Dread Beat An' Blood - the former covers the best of his island output.
misty in roots - possibly my favourite of the uk acts - whatever of their back catalogue you see at a reasonable price, buy it - only readily available purchase is (the brilliant) Roots Controller
steel pulse - Handsworth Revolution / Tribute To The Martyrs - 1st 2 albums - hardly a note wasted.
aswad - Aswad, Showcase, New Chapter & New Chapter Of Dub - take care, not all aswad material is as good as these.
dennis bovell -'Scientific, Higher Ranking Dubb / Yuh Learn! / Dub Conference (Winston Edwards & Blackbeard at 10 Downing Street) - 'godfather?' of uk reggae.

singles

capital letters - Smoking My Ganja (12" Mix) & Uk Skanking (12" Mix)- thumping and intracate.
audrey - 'english girl' 12" - soulful, rootsy, dubby - whole package.
bunny marrett -Times Are Getting Harder - classy single & dub from veteran bristol artist.
the clash -Armagideon Time - b-side of 'london calling' - shoulda been an a-side (imo, the clash and the ruts produced some excellnt reggae based material.)

please feel free to add to this, as there are a good few that i'll have omitted - please observe the ub40 rule.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2013 16:44:43 BDT
Brass Neck says:
If you like LKJ (and who in their right mind doesn't) then have you heard the more strident Jamaican dub poet, Mutabaruka? The Ultimate Collection is a well-selected overview and there's a vg used for £7.99 plus p&p.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejDQ17zH4Zg

Another favourite who only got to make one album, Mi Cyaan Believe It, which has never been released on cd as far as I'm aware is Mikey Smith. He was gunned down in the political conflicts of the 80s in Jamaica. It's a brilliant album.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikey_Smith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE3kVwyY2WU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oRq1y4CTJg

Posted on 12 Jul 2013 17:29:08 BDT
yes, i was lucky enough to pick up 'mi cyaan believe it' on a whim upon it's release, and it is a brilliant album - unique - makes you wonder where the genre would've been, had he, far i, tosh, pablo, mundell, tubby, hudson, and marley etc, lived.

mutabaruka, however i will need to bon........learn more about. disny matter how old it is there,s still masses to discover.

Posted on 13 Jul 2013 07:06:48 BDT
Elastic Rock says:
Here is a nice starter list of reggae for those wanting to dip their toes in........ enjoy while the sun shines!

1. Catch a Fire - Bob Marley & the Wailers
2. Funky Kingston - Toots & the Maytals
3. The Harder They Come - Jimmy Cliff / Various
4. Blackheart Man - Bunny Wailer
5. Exodus - Bob Marley & the Wailers
6. Marcus Garvey - Burning Spear
7. Legalize It - Peter Tosh
8. Satta Massagana - The Abyssinians
9. East of the River Nile - Augustus Pablo
10. Burnin' - Bob Marley & the Wailers
11. Two Sevens Clash - Culture
12. Fire House Rock - Wailing Souls
13. Fever - Tenor Saw
14. War Ina Babylon - Max Romeo & The Upsetters
15. Super Ape - Lee "Scratch" Perry
16. Truths and Rights - Johnny Osbourne
17. Robin Hood - Barrington Levy
18. Africa Must be Free (by 1983) - Hugh Mundell
19. Soul Rebels - Bob Marley & the Wailers
20. Mister Yellowman - Yellowman
21. Heart of the Congos - The Congos
22. Equal Rights - Peter Tosh
23. King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown - Augustus Pablo
24. Scientist Rids the World of the Evil Curse of the Vampires - Scientist
25. Big Ship - Freddie McGregor
26. Kamikazi Dub - Prince Jammy
27. Mundell - Hugh Mundell
28. Sinsemilla - Black Uruhu
29. Spread Out - Don Carlos
30. Night Nurse - Gregory Isaacs
31. Uprising - Bob Marley & The Wailers
32. Screaming Target - Big Youth
33. Rasta Communication - Keith Hudson
34. Mikey Dread - World War III
35. International Herb - Culture
36. Protest - Bunny Wailer
37. Wa-Do-Dem - Eek-A-Mouse
38. Fally Lover - Johnny Osbourne
39. Roast Fish Collie Breed & Corn Breed - Lee "Scratch" Perry
40. Dangerous Dub - King Tubby
41. Rasta Revolution - Bob Marley & the Wailers
42. Dread In Babylon - U-Roy
43. Any Which Way ...Freedom - Mutabaruka
44. The African Connection : Dub Me Crazy Part 3 - Mad Professor
45. Better Days - The Heptones
46. Slave Call - The Ethiopians
47. Day To Day Living - Don Carlos
48. Boom-Shak-A-Lack - Junior Reid
49. Police and Thieves - Junior Murvin
50. Face The Devil - Wailing Souls
51. Musical Shark Attack - I-Roy
52. Joseph's Coat of Many Colors - Dennis Brown
53. Go Away Dream - Delroy Wilson
54. Cool Ruler - Gregory Isaacs
55. The Toughest - Peter Tosh
56. In Fine Style - Half Pint
57. Raiders of the Lost Dub - Sly & Robbie
58. How The West Was Won - Toyan
59. Youth Man Vibrations - Echo Minott
60. Sunday Coming - Alton Ellis
61. Gunman Connection - Nicodemus
62. Stranded - Wailing Souls
63. Rastafari - Ras Michael
64. Nobody Move, Nobody Get Hurt - Yellowman
65. Youthman Skanking - Wayne Smith
66. Sex Education - Clint Eastwood
67. 12" of Pleasure - General Echo
68. Best Dressed Chicken In Town - Dr. Alimintado
69. With Lots of Extra - Sugar Minott
70. Heavyweight Dub Champion - Scientist
71. Black Woman & Child - Sizzla
72. Babylon Destruction - The Overnight Players
73. Dread Beat An' Old - Linton Kwesi Johnson
74. Revolutionary Dream - Pablo Moses
75. Steppin' - Marcia Griffiths
76. Extra Classic - Gregory Isaacs
77. Forward - The Abysinnians
78. Who Feels It Knows It - Rita Marley
79. The Seven Voyages of Captain Sinbad - Captain Sinbad
80. Rastaman Vibration - Bob Marley & the Wailers
81. Look How Me Sexy - Linval Thompson
82. Rivers of Babylon - The Melodians
83. Police In Helicopter - John Holt
84. Changes - Mighty Diamonds
85. Downpression - Michigan & Smiley
86. Conscious Party - Ziggy Marley & The Melody Makers
87. Glory to God - Ras Michael
88. Rocking Dolly - Cocoa Tea
89. Rebel Souls - Aswad
90. Rasta Philosophy - The Itals
91. Princess Lady - Lacksley Castell
92. Only A Woman - Judy Mowatt
93. Harder Than the Rest - Culture
94. Love Thy Neighbor - Ras Michael
95. Me and Jane - Bingy Bunny
96. To the Top - Aswad
97. Give Me Power - The Itals
98. Youthman Penitentiary - Edi Fitzroy
99. Party Time - The Heptones
100. Dub It To The Top - Yabby You

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2013 07:54:14 BDT
interesting list,elastic, i have physical copies of a quarter of that. well mixed variety of styles, good for dips and further investigation. is the list a reflection of your own tastes?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2013 08:03:21 BDT
re mutabaruka - i shall fire thru' the mp3 samples for a flavour

re general echo (ranking slackness) - neither a feminist or a possessor of much subtlety - remembered fondly in prince far i's 'tribute to bob marley' (nae link)

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2013 08:11:28 BDT
S.R.J says:
Excellent list Elastic, I would add just one more -" Steel Pulse Handsworth Revolution [VINYL ALBUM] ". Part of the soundtrack to my yuffff.
S.R.J

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2013 08:19:17 BDT
absolutely - one of the finest debuts ever (any genre)
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