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Initial post: 7 Feb 2013 10:29:43 GMT
S. R. Tulip says:
Anybody see the Danny Baker programme, ostensibly about the album though it segued into viny, like nobody ever plays CDs all the way through and nobody ever skipped tracks on vinyl.

This would explain why pop people actually think there are good pop albums when, by definition, they are hierarchical with key tracks ( generally but not always singles ) and fillers.
He even cites Revolver claiming Yellow Submarine is out of place while I think it par for tthe course with TNK the exception.

Some punkrock/ indie/ Britpop producer selected Ziggy Stardust, Transformer and London Calling which is pathetic. He claimed the title track of the Clash has a great intro and I don't disagree but, as with much pop music, it falls apart when the silly voice comes in. He also said many of the bands he produces cite Ziggy/ Bowie so at least we know where the blame lies.

Jeremy Clarkson was a disappointment, having previously heard him humiliate Gambo over the Beatles, so he's obviously been brought into line. If it weren't for Peter Green Rumours would be filed with the Carpenters except with rubbish songs. Dark side of the Moon is poor even for them and I haven't heard the Supertramp album but don't need to to know it's not in the same Galaxy as Selling England, which he referenced twice but still seemed to fear including a Genesis album. Perhaps we still have some way to go.

Danny Baker could have had a full house if he'd stuck to 3. Court is as good as any Crimson album but Money wouldn't be my choice of Zappa nor Physical Graffiti my choice of Zeppelin. I can' help thinking the PG people either got into Rock too late or kept listening too long, and probably both, while everybody I know switched to Soul/ Northern/ Funk circa 74/5/6. It's even truer for those who think of punkrock as part of rock and Baker reckoned the Golden Age was 69-77 confirming it all went horribly wrong with punkrock and has never recovered. Personally I would go for about 66-75.

The real treat was the thang who shocked everyone by pulling out Hot Rats ( or am I being sexist), again not my choice though I'd have it ahead of Money. She followed it witth a Coloseum album claiming there isn't enough Jazz Rock ( I think I'm in love ). Personally I put them in the Jazz end of Prog and there's piles of great Jazz Rock and vast amounts of rubbish if you look for tthe right colour. Along the way she scolded those who criticize John McLaughlin for his unsurpassed skills and Music must be the only thing in the world where this can happen.

Nevertheless, 2 Zappa albums, Zeppelin and Crimson - things must be looking up, though no Black artists whatsoever and Joni Mitchell, Bakers fourh choice, the only female. There is a Moaney Joni track I like but, when I listen to the ladies, it's Black just about every time.

Apparently the series will include a reconstruction of Please Please Me so they're still claiming the Beatles not only made good albums, but went some way to inventing them, despite Lemon saying Sgt Pepper was never concieved as an album and Macca saying singles were always uppermost, and conveniently forgetting SiNAtras Songs for Swinging Lovers from 56 is probably still the best pop album ever made.

Posted on 7 Feb 2013 10:36:18 GMT
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gille liath says:
Again the Beatles? Looks like you've got yourself quite a complex there.

I flicked onto it a couple of times, but was hardly impressed with the albums they were discussing - Tom Petty, Alice Cooper. But if they're saying what you say they're saying, they've got a point: people do listen to CDs differently from LPs. Wasn't there a thread on here only recently asking for albums so good that you didn't skip tracks - like that was some remarkable thing?

Posted on 7 Feb 2013 10:45:43 GMT
I've watched it and by and large found it fairly uninteresting so far. Still, it was a miracle that Paul Morley wasn't on it so thank God for small mercies. Much better discussions occur here on Amazon.

Posted on 7 Feb 2013 10:51:18 GMT
I'll try to catch it on Iplayer. Can't say that I treat/play CDs in any different way to LPs Gille, but I reckon I've said that before!

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Feb 2013 11:03:51 GMT
Last edited by the author on 7 Feb 2013 13:00:02 GMT
BOF says:
" If it weren't for Peter Green Rumours would be filed with the Carpenters except with rubbish songs".

Peter Green Rumours? What are you on about? Peter was looooong gone before Rumours, Rumours wasn't even gossip when Green left. It's West Coast rock with only 2 original members (guess who? The clues in the name). In the words of Zep "Ramble on" (and you do) v

Best bones
B.O.F.

Posted on 7 Feb 2013 11:36:38 GMT
Nugent_Dirt says:
Watched it on iPlayer. Would've turned it off after 5 mins if it were'nt for Kate Mossman's pretty face. As for album covers the best ones were those budget TOTP comps with fit bikinied babes on the front. I quite like Danny B but 1969-1976 being some golden era?? B0ll0x. Everyone knows it's 1982 -1987 with acts like Matt Bianco and Swing Out Sister..I'll get me coat

Posted on 11 Feb 2013 17:58:48 GMT
Last edited by the author on 11 Feb 2013 18:13:01 GMT
S. R. Tulip says:
What are you on about BOF? I think the point is if it weren't for Rattlesnake Shake, Oh Well and Green Manalishi ( only ), nobody would have ever thought they were a Rock Group. Try to keep up ( in your dreams ).
Sorry if I ramble on, it's just I've heard lots of Music and understand Culture, which is why you don't.

GL, the media goes on and on and on ( and on and on and on ) about them all day every day on the telly, the radio, in newspapers and magazines, like it's normal, common sense, natural and inevitable; you go along with it, and I've got the complex?
It's the old question, do the media play what nerds like or nerds like what the media plays. As another talentless popstar - Weller - says, the public wants what the public gets. They get you paul.

See they've done another on Black Music and as usual they fail to invite any Soul Fans. A black singer and a black DJ, both of whom favour black pop, a former punkrocker ( I have a ' complex ' about that too, or is it just more junk that's been completely reinvented by the media )/ Mod and whatever Danny Baker is. I quite like Danny Baker too but I think he should get a job rather than being paid ( presumably lots of money ) to talk about something he knows nothing about. Doc Watson seems a nice chap too and is the only one whose 3/4 wasn't sublime to ridiculous.

So, the sublime:
What's Going On, but you need at least another 4 albums by him.
Superfly, but there's at least 4 better albums by him, and that's without the Impressions.
Lady Soul, get it paired with Never Loved a Man.
Al Green Call Me, his best album alongside I'm still in Love.

The ridiculous:

2 STEVIE WONDER ALBUMS? And not even the best 2. Mind you, not only does Trevor Nelson not know the difference between Marvin and Steveland, he doesn't actually know the difference between Marvin and Jacko. I midwifed an event he DJs at and I think he needs to go into the other rooms. And not the one playing:
Tribe Called Quest.
Big Fat Barry. Come on.
Prince. Another act who would be top 30 pop but shouldn't make top 300 Soul.

Somewher in between: Bill Withers ( but why the live one? ), Millie Jackson ( who says she only made 2? The toilet seat one is one of the best ), Donny Hathaway ( again not his best ) and Smokie Robinson ( ditto ).

Off you go now, back to your top 10 fave artists nominations and voting, like good little boys and girls.

Posted on 11 Feb 2013 18:31:46 GMT
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Posted on 11 Feb 2013 19:05:28 GMT
Watched two of the programs, and whilst a little interesting, I disagreed with choice of albums, but most of all is all the cr@p than Danny Baker spouted. OK, so vinyl did/has advantages over CD, but at times it sounded as if he was talking about a secret society, or something mystical - what a total d!ck.

Posted on 11 Feb 2013 21:55:11 GMT
bill g. says:
I totally agree with you, Cornish -- Danny Baker waffling on about how cd reissues of classic albums SHOULDN,T have extra tracks yet never gave a convincing reason why not. The Who,s "Live At Leeds" shows a pretty good reason to me that the extra tracks DO work. Anyway he doesn,t HAVE to listen to them.

Posted on 11 Feb 2013 22:44:49 GMT
FDJ says:
I do get SOME of what Baker said ,it did feel like a bit of a secret society at school in the 70's.You know finding a band that nobody else had discovered yet,and trying to keep it all to yourself for as long as possible, and the way albums were swopped back and forth, the Sabbath fans vs the Zep fans.Ooh i'm getting nostalgic again!

Posted on 12 Feb 2013 00:41:47 GMT
Mondo Ray says:
I think we should appreciate what BBCtv4 are trying to do, although we've been a bit overloaded musically recently. I tend to save all the music stuff on Skybox (including the sometimes excellent offerings from Sky Arts) so that I can whiz through any boring bits. I'm glad they're repeating Howard Goodall's History Of Music as I missed some of it previously. The recent Beach Boys (on B4) stuff came across rather better than that of the Beatles, although I recognize the historical validity of both.

Hey, more music on tv - more enjoyment all round. :-)

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 08:16:32 GMT
Goodall's History of Music was excellent Mondo, I agree. A small criticism though is that I have always considered a drum of some type would have been the first instrument, but I cant recollect him mentioning anything like that.

FDJ - all that secret club nonsense is what really bugged me about Baker. Carrying albums in the street like some type of badge - utter rubbish so far as I was concerned. Mind you my teenage years were the 60s of course where it was your appearance that was far more important - I got sick to death of the hassle I had from the police in the late 60s/early 70s due to my appearance!

Posted on 12 Feb 2013 10:06:37 GMT
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Nugent_Dirt says:
I used to buy LPs, 45s and 12"ers but as often as not was usually pi$$ed to find that new purchases had warps the size of surf waves. Then there was all the hassle of static, dirt and scratches. So hallelujah and amen when CDs came along. So I find all this clubby nostalgia about the LP a bit sad. It's a freakin slice of plastic in carboard fer gawd's sake not the Holy Grail. Out of interest I checked out the rock recommendations i hadnt heard and am wondering what the fuss is all about. Talk about hindsight and rose tinted specs. Have'nt yet seen the one on soul but I bet there's no mention of The Meters.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 10:18:10 GMT
hey nuge, yr post reminds me of old joke about how many folk-singers it takes to change a lightbulb - answer : 5, 1 to change bulb & 4 to sing about how good the old bulb was.
only advantage of LPs i can think of is that they're easier to skin up on than a CD...

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 10:26:26 GMT
Mondo Ray says:
Valid point well made Mr D!

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 10:51:35 GMT
cheers, mondo, assume you partake also from time to time ? if i remember right, aren't you another non-u.k. based poster ?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 10:59:48 GMT
b.t.w. nuge have you received tosca's latest yet ? i ordered it on 4th. feb. & still no sign. was hoping for it today, as it would've been a good birthday gift to myself.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 11:00:57 GMT
I remember from somewhere that it was once said that more joints were rolled on the cover of Astral Weeks than any other album. Nice urban myth even if there's no truth in it ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 11:08:08 GMT
doe it many times myself on that one, cornish, also "solid air", "wish you were here" & beatles "white". some albums are just more appropriate than others !

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 11:13:35 GMT
Reading this was like being in a scrap with with particularly bad hangover, a long haired Jack Russell terrier tied to my leg and a set of notes on 'My Favourite Druggy Musical Memories of the 70's' lying in a puddle at my feet, reading glasses, broken besides.
Thought provoking, opinionated, leading with the knockout phrase '..........must be the only thing in the world where this can happen.' re. slagging people off for being skilful musicians. We are now dancing about architecture so I will shut up..........and dance. P.S. Wot about Patto?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 11:30:26 GMT
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Posted on 12 Feb 2013 23:41:57 GMT
Wharf Rat says:
I used to roll on 'Anthum of The Sun' and totally got confused with the
make up box from Jefferson's Airplane's Long John Silver!!!

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2013 00:46:12 GMT
Mondo Ray says:
Well spotted, Mr D, living in Western Cornwall does indeed make me "non-UK". Actually, when I first started posting here around three years ago I had a Floridian winter domicile that you might have picked up on, but I gave that to my Tampa-based older brother for the duration until I might need it again.

My daughter, who achieves 44dom on March 9th often reflects on her early memories of the 1970s when she'd been taught the art of Jazz Cigarette Origami on the covers of some of the very albums she now treasures. When she was about six she taped her favourite tunes off Mummy and Daddy's collection and even wrote the name on the tape label: Grey Slick.

Musically, get 'em while they're young. :-D

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2013 10:10:14 GMT
mondo, in fact assumed that somewher called "kernow" prob. wasn't in u.k., sorry ! obviously makes perfect sense as cornish name (cognate with "ker" in breton, which means "house", presumably ?). never been to cornwall, or devon ; would like to see both, but bit far away from here.
liked yr "jazz cigarette origami" description. presume music by the late, great grace slick ? "white rabbit" is still 1 of my top 10 tunes.
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