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In reply to an earlier post on 5 Dec 2010 17:58:28 GMT
I've being having an argument on a different discussion on Amazon with a guy who's convinced digital is superior to analogue and even says the technology can reproduce the 'vinyl sound'. What rubbish! of course good vinyl on a decent deck is still streets ahead of digital. Thats why if you go to a high end hifi show or dealer, they will more often than not use vinyl to demonstrate their wares. Digital lacks emotion and dynamics, no matter how much they try and improve it. Its useful for convenience but for listening, analogue every time so you enjoy your LPs and know that they are still superior to unemotional, sterile, digital crap!

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Dec 2010 18:05:43 GMT
dinch says:
Ah, a troll. Welcome to the discussion and may you have many chuckles.

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Dec 2010 21:33:07 GMT
Last edited by the author on 5 Dec 2010 21:47:07 GMT
@Mrs. G. A. Sherwin
I took the time to explain the objective facts in detail, you intentionally ignored it all and just call my words rubbish with nothing to back yourself up but presenting your opinions as facts and a clear lack of knowledge on the subject. If you are not going to present yourself as a knowledgeable person I can debate with and exchange viewpoints and knowledge, as well as moving the discussion here for some reason unknown to me (To be an 'internet troll' as the people over at 4chan say?) then I rest my case and stand undefeated until someone else is ready to come forward and make a proper case.

Here is a forum that should prove an interesting read whether one prefers analogue reproduction (dirty) or digital (sterile).

Posted on 5 Dec 2010 22:12:37 GMT
dinch says:
@Mrs G. A. Sherwin Your reference to "vinyl sound" gets to the heart of the matter. Reproducing sound from vinyl involves the use of an electromechanical transducer and all of the problems that entails - mass, resonance and so on. In other words, it imparts the "vinyl sound".

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Dec 2010 12:05:09 GMT
One of the reasons I use a very high end turntable, arm and cartridge is because these particular items of equipment endeavour to reduce mass and resonance etc. to an absolute minimum. I do not claim to have digital knowledge but I do claim to have listened to numerous hifi systems over the years including digital. I do not need technical knowledge to know what my ears tell me. My opinions are shared with many people in the hifi, sound and music worlds, which is why so many very esoteric manufacturers use vinyl to demonstrate their very expensive wares where money is no object. If analogue is inferior, why do they do this? I also had an interesting discussion recently with a musician who plays keyboards. Since everything became digital and synthesisers became keyboards, many intruments became redundant (according to him). However, the digital keyboard cannot truly reproduce the analogue Hammond organ because the digits are whole and to truly reproduce a Hammond, they need to be half.Now I use this example to show that someone with a great deal more knowledge than I has disputed the perfection of digital. I must stress there is no 'vinyl sound in a good system, simply better dynamics, more emotion and much more realistic staging, front to back in particular. The higher sampling rate of SACD certainly improves the dynamics but it still has a slight 'edge' the goes with analogue. The best way to compare of course is to listen to live music that is acoustic or classical ie not amplified. Pop and rock is very artificial so I believe any system of repoduction is good for this if it sounds enjoyable.Oh by the way, I thought I put some perfecty valid points and have a right to an opinion, just as everyone else does. There is no need to get nasty, this is a discussion, not a fight!

Posted on 8 Dec 2010 02:24:54 GMT
Last edited by the author on 8 Dec 2010 02:26:41 GMT
R. martinez says:
I think offering 192 to 320kbs in true stereo to the masses who don't care about quality and wish to conserve space on portable audio devices and allow audiophiles/non-conformists the opportunity to purchase FLAC for full resolution enjoyment and allow personalized recoding in their favorite format with the fidelity of first generation rips for portable devices. I hate that purchases in WMA must be recoded (with a loss of fidelity) to AAC when using iTunes. I'm sure other people have similar problems inherent with formats their particular device supports.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Dec 2010 13:06:31 GMT
S. Music says:
Being an audiophile doesn't necessarilly mean that you can appreciate the quality of sound. Sometimes audiophiles are more concerned with their equipement and don't want to admit that hi-end vinil is not that much better than a cheaper mp3 player, sound-wise. For those who are so concerned with loss of highest of frequences, there are always CDs. I care about my music, and I'm prefectly happy with 256 MP3s. I am not however happy with the quality of ultra-modern MP3 players as opposed to some older but pioneering ones!

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Dec 2010 18:42:06 GMT
The whole point about the audiophile is that they appreciate quality of sound. If they don't they are not an audiophile. Its a bit of a joke to say that they only listen to the equipment. The whole point of wanting good hifi is to hear music reproduced more like the real thing. To say high end vinyl reproduction is not much better than a MP3 player is just silly. I would love to demonstrate what good quality and well pressed vinyl sounds like and compare it with an MP3 player. i think some of you cynics would be absolutely gobsmacked! There is so much more to music than just high frequencies. Apart from depth, realism, emotion, there is timing, transients,timbre, etc. Although headphones/earphones are an affordable way of getting a very decent listening experience, they do lack some of the elements that go to make a soundstage that is truly the next best thing to being there. Unfortunately to get to true audiophile level is horribly expensive and it it only by very fortunate circumstances apart from being ex-trade, that i am lucky enough to have some pretty tasty stuff. Most people wouldn't dream of paying the amount some of this stuff costs but since the arguments are about ultimate sound quality, that shouldn't have any bearing on the matter.
Going back to the original argument, why don't Amazon/itunes do a FLAC download service at a higher price than MP3 of perhaps the most popular music? I normally buy CDs but there are lots of occasions when just one or two tracks off an album are what you want and then a download is really useful, rather than having to buy the whole album. HD TRACKS won't allow UK residents to use their download site so over here we are stuck with Naim and Linn i think and 99% of their music is not my taste at all. In the states it seems that people can get a much wider selection of music in lossless formats than over here.

Posted on 8 Dec 2010 20:30:23 GMT
drohnwerks says:
Out of interest, how does Analogue "show emotion" that digital lacks?

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Dec 2010 20:58:53 GMT
Unfortunately, in my experience 'well pressed vinyl' equates to about 5% of what is available. I have lost count how many times I have returned vinyl albums due to pressing faults, only to find the replacement was even worse than the previous one I took back. There have also been many attempts to re-press vinyl albums via the half-speed mastering process. If vinyl was that good in the first place, surely there would be no need to produce half-speed mastered copies on heavyweight vinyl!
Also, when I was in the HiFi trade, there used to be lots of talk about 'valve sound' and 'transistor sound', implying that all forms of audio processing 'taint' the original signal. Again, they will sound different. Not just 'one is right and one is wrong' - They just sound different, a bit like the same orchestra performing in a different venue. Venues have different sounds of their own, just as analogue and digital recordings do, and valve and transistor amps. Anechoic chamber, anyone?

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Dec 2010 10:40:09 GMT
The only way I can explain to your logical mind is listen to your favourite music, played on a top end analogue system and you will know. Some things cannot be explained by logic. Think of great paintings: why are some with similar excellent techniques, historical masterpieces while others with similar technical expertise, just considered second rate? If you cannot see beyond the technical expertise of sound reproduction, then perhaps that is just how you are and the realism of analogue is not for you.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Dec 2010 10:47:38 GMT
I do agree with you about the so called different 'sounds'. I feel you have been unlucky with your vinyl pressing though as i have around 200 Lps and most are OK. I don't think vinyl itself is that wonderful unless its the best heavy virgin vinyl. I think that digital is still flawed and doesn't quite match up to the very best analogue. Half speed masters are no longer done I don't think as there is debate that they 're not that good. Best vinyl of the lot that I've heard is 45RPM 12" where the higher speed and wider space gives improved dynamics. Metallica released Death Magnetic on 4 45rpm albums. I would love to have heard it but it was just that bit too expensive.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Dec 2010 11:55:23 GMT
I wouldn't worry about not hearing DM on the official vinyl release. If it was anything like the CD release, it wil have sounded dismal. The band themselves forced the levels on the album as high as they were - the mastering engineer was reported as saying he received it direct from the studio and it was unlistenable, he did what he could to scale it back but you can only polish a turd so much as they say!

The best fan community remix&master of DM is the Moderus Mk. 3 mix, the level of detail and obvious care and attention put into it is remarkable and it sounds excellent. I have several of the community-done mixes, including the raw Ogg Vorbis multitracks ripped from their special edition Guitar Hero release. Ironically the stems they supplied for Guitar Hero were finished but not mastered as severely - so sounded far better than the final album.

If you got the official vinyl, I'd imagine it looks like one large groove witih just small modulations whenever Hetfield squeals a lyric :D

Posted on 9 Dec 2010 13:24:36 GMT
Lol! I have the black album on vinyl and 'nothing Else Matters" sounds absolutely superb so I was presuming DM would be similar. Silly me - I'm glad I didn't buy it!

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Dec 2010 15:27:21 GMT
Last edited by the author on 10 Dec 2010 15:33:33 GMT
C. Rigby says:
It's unfortunate in many respects that there isn't either just one better quality lossy format in use or equally just one standard that said players play such as WMA or Aac as well Mp3 because it means you have to recode with some potential loss if the file you have doesn't match your players format options.
Mp3 can sound very good at high bit rates but is really old hat in coding terms with modern codecs sound better for the same bit rates.
Having Flac as the high quality option would mean I can if I wish convert to wma for my current player to save space but if I bought an Ipod can re-do straight from a lossless original.

Posted on 10 Dec 2010 15:30:39 GMT
C. Rigby says:
I have to use friends back in North America for most HD Tracks stuff (shh!)

Posted on 10 Dec 2010 15:30:44 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 10 Dec 2010 19:37:18 GMT
Red says:
Read your post with interest
What equipment do you use for your music listening?
Thank you

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Dec 2010 19:42:01 GMT
Red says:
Do you mind if ask what equipment you use for your music listening?
Thank you

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Dec 2010 19:43:27 GMT
Red says:
Do you mind me asking what equipment do you use for your music listening?
Thank you

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Dec 2010 19:44:59 GMT
Red says:
Do you mind if I ask what equipment you use for listening to music?
Thank you

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Dec 2010 19:46:29 GMT
Red says:
Do you mind if I ask what equipment you use for listening to music?
Thank you

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Dec 2010 19:49:17 GMT
Red says:
Do you mind if I ask what equipment you use for listening to music?
Thank you

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Dec 2010 12:41:21 GMT
Hi, I use a Lumley Stratosphere turntable with Graham arm and Transfiguation cartridge for vinyl, An Accuphase DD 700 one box CD player; a Convergent Audio Technology valve pre-amp, Vincent hybrid approx 200 watt Monoblocks; and very old, prototype multi-driver huge speakers designed by John Jeffreys of Lumley, Diamond and Metropolis music fame. Cables are a bit of a mixture but are all reasonabley high end. Most of my stuff is prototype or 2nd hand and I power it all from a separate junction box into 15amp round pin rhodium plated plugs from Russ Andrews.

Posted on 11 Dec 2010 14:25:33 GMT
I love music more than I do hi-fi or computers. I am interested in the music and want it to sound good so I have a Quad hi-fi and play lots of CDs. I also stream mp3 files via Apple TV. Obviously there is a difference - CDs sound better (i.e. greater dynamic range, better "sound stage"). But most mp3 files sound superb through my hi-fi and I have no complaints whatsoever. mp3 does have its limitations but overall I am delighted that it has made MUSIC available so conveniently and to so many people.
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