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In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jul 2012 13:15:03 BDT
Last edited by the author on 16 Jul 2012 15:47:56 BDT
"guess that never happened 30 years ago, oh apart from T. Rex; Status Quo; Brotherhood Of Man and the hundreds more like them. c'mon seriously it never used to be like that?!!!!!!! not like The Beatles; The Beach Boys; The Rolling Stones; Michael Jackson; George Michael"

Except that they were good bands that made great music, unlike a lot of generic bands and artists today. Gaga is a little original I'll give her that but overrated completely by the media. Even newspapers and television never shut up about the same popstars today, anything to earn money.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jul 2012 16:03:06 BDT
Morgan Storm says:
Artform and product isn't mutually exclusive. Many pieces of great art were painted, built or composed because someone needed a specific product.
I suspect that the reason why people buy pop is that most of people are music-deaf.
I only started *hearing* music when I started to listen to black metal. Before that, music was mainly vocals to me. I wasn't able to appreciate percussions, guitar solos, etc.
I think it's a default state for most of the audience.
It changed for me when I bought a Cradle of Filth "Vempire" cassette from a bargain bin. When I listened to it for the first time, it was like noise to me. But then I listened to it again - this time carefully, when reading lyrics and I started to *hear* music.
I started hearing more subtle aspects of music and I could start listening to other genres than pop and ordinary metal.
Amusingly, that enhanced perception of music worked also for pop-music - I recently heard Crazy or something like that by Britney Spears and I thought, hey, there's not only that chick singing but also some guys doing quite a good job with instruments.

If pop music gets more primitive musically, it's because the corporations realise that most of people can't *hear* music anyway.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jul 2012 16:21:47 BDT
Morgan Storm says:
How would CDs fade away anyway? The records industry isn't centralised. There's no central decision-making entity that would be able to say "there won't be any CDs any more".
Even so many years after introduction of CD, vinyl records are still being made (sometimes even vinyl-exclusive albums) and vinyl players of various quality are being sold in stores.

Posted on 16 Jul 2012 17:11:23 BDT
Last edited by the author on 16 Jul 2012 17:13:40 BDT
MC Zaptone says:
@Peter Lanky....."That may well have been the case 30 years ago, but no longer." Peter, if I may, 30 years ago we had THE most formulaic music in history! The eighties charts were besieged by bands with big hair and black eye-liner playing mock funk to the beat of synth-drums. Human League, Level 42, Heaven 17 ect, ect. and the music of Stock, Aitkin & Waterman and we also had 2-Tone stealing '70's UK/Jamaican ska. Just how formulaic did you want?
Prior to that we had Punk - two minutes thirty of thrash with psuedo-political lyrics shouted over it. Totally paint-by-numbers music. Before that we had Prog. another cliched genre.....in fact it had to conform to type to even be deemed proper Prog..............LOL

@Morgan Storm..........read back what you've written.........do you hear youself?!!
"If pop music gets more primitive musically, it's because the corporations realise that most of people can't *hear* music anyway" What a load of pompous twaddle. It is possible for many people to relax to Mozart and Sibelius and still enjoy chart fodder. maybe just not you because you have conned yourself that Cradle Of Filth are the zenith of musical virtuosity, you couldn't make it up it's so funny. As far as popular music getting more primitive........both 50's Rock 'n Roll and later Reggae were simple, primitive, raw music, are you saying those musical revolutions were made because people can't *hear* music?

You all sound like my grandad who said The Beatles were nothing but childish ditties and my Dad who announced Frank Zappa wouldn't sell many albums because it's just a noise.

After many years around the music biz. I've learned one thing....getting sniffy about music you don't like
doesn't make your taste is any better. You can kid yourself into thinking your musical taste is superior.
That in turn makes you a musical snob and nobody likes a snob.
Cheers and thanks for a good laugh.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jul 2012 18:10:31 BDT
2old4925 says:
I think your dad was right about Zappa!!!

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jul 2012 18:35:59 BDT
Morgan Storm says:
Strawmnan argument. I never said that Cradle Of Filth are the zenith of musical virtuosity, just that it required improving my musical hearing to be able to listen to it and that after starting to listen to it I started noticing details in other music including pop.

Also a bad wording on my part. I meant "why people buy only pop", not "why people buy pop". The main difference is that chart fodder doesn't require decent musical hearing, so it's going to be most popular simply because other stuff isn't immediately accessible to a lot of other people.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jul 2012 22:19:12 BDT
Last edited by the author on 16 Jul 2012 22:30:17 BDT
MC Zaptone says:
I think I understand your differential, yes some people are happy to have Chart FM plugging away in the background while they work etc. others (myself included) like to concentrate on the nuances of the music without distraction BUT the same level of enjoyment might well be enjoyed equally by both groups. For me the danger is the self satisfaction that you are getting something 'special' others aren't. Look at it another way: Four people are all really enjoying a drink, the point is to get a bit drunk and enjoy the alcohol but the real ale drinker is smirking at the lager drinker, in turn the gin and tonic drinker is looking down his nose at both the pint drinkers and the chap sipping his way through his bottle of Pouilly-Fume 1990 is sneering at all the others. What becomes the most important thing? Enjoying the moment, the quality of the drink or the denigration of others enjoyment?

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jul 2012 00:01:51 BDT
Morgan Storm says:
I listen to a wide variety of music - black metal, death metal, egyptian death metal, dark ambient, classical, pop, jazz, trip-hop, power electronics, death industrial, cybergrind, digital hardcore, drum n bass, ebm, grindcore, house, industrial, darkwave, coldwave, heavy metal, power violence, synthpop, dreampop, trash metal, etc.
I don't belong to any cult that limits what I can listen to. For example I have recently quite enjoyed Miley Cyrus - The Time of Our Lives. Pretty solid album, though I sometimes had an impression that the vocalist wasn't in full control of her voice. It was kinda cute, though.

I'm more concerned about the influence of people limiting themselves to chart music in general - the idolisation of singers (many people love Miley Cyrus and Britney Spears, but what about people who actually composed and played the music? And why someone should be an an example for others just because they sing? There are many thousands of singers), concentration of money in the big media corporations, very limited audiences for not mainstream artists etc., etc., etc.

I don't know anything on the state on modern mainstream as I tend to search for new music on the Archive and Jamendo which have official free downloads (and by the way, it's ridiculous how some people consider carefully arranged pop music that is played with high quality instruments like for example Britney Spears stuff "bad". People who never searched for music on Jamend have no idea what "bad" is. ). I have almost 300 albums on my disk and I can't even remember how more than half of them sounded like.

But returning to the mainstream - it was just my speculation about possible causes of the decline that was reported by the others, not as an attempt to paint myself as someone better. I don't even consider myself to be someone who's good at music. I can't really talk about it beyond "I like it" or "I don't like it".

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jul 2012 07:27:05 BDT
Last edited by the author on 18 Jul 2012 07:38:35 BDT
MC Zaptone says:
Morgan what are: darkwave, coldwave, heavy metal, power violence, synthpop, dreampop, trash metal? Could you give me some examples please? Just out of curiosity as I've never heard of them.

Her's some for you, what would you call these?

Written in 1968

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK9GM95oR1c&feature=related

Written in 1970

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPNvHMe06K4

Enjoy!

Posted on 28 Jul 2012 14:29:16 BDT
mmmmmmmmmmm
edgeways or sideways or in the case??
decisions decisions

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2012 19:59:13 BDT
Mr. P says:
Keep em! Cos the sound quality on MP3 files is inferior. And will be for sometime.

Posted on 29 Jul 2012 20:45:38 BDT
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Peter Lanky says:
Morgan, your second paragraph sums up my thoughts exactly. I've never understood why singers get all the credit, the honours and the cash, when they are such a small cog in the piece of music. In fact, one could say that in most case the singer is the least important, because technology can alter voices so much so that all but the completely inept could sing on many pop records. The current batch of singers are there purely for their sex appeal rather than any ability.

Go back many years, and the composer of the song was considered the most important. You hear of a Cole Porter or an Irving Berlin song, but who were the singers from that era? Mainly anonymous, and quite rightly so. Singers are ten a penny. Later the band (e.g. Glenn Miller) became most important and then at some stage, it was just the singer.

Even on something a little upmarket from chart pop, the singer is glorified. Watch any video and the camera concentrates on the singer, often paying little attention to those producing the music. Why did Mick Jagger get a gong? Was he the only member of the Stones? A particular gripe of mine is Bat Out Of Hell, completely credited to Meat Loaf. A competent rock singer I admit, but any singer with a big voice could have done that album, but the sound of it could never have been created without the writing of Jim Steinman of the musicianship of Todd Rundgren and his band.

By the way, I've no idea what most of those genres are that you list. I have only 2 genres: Music I like, and music I don't like.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Aug 2012 13:23:09 BDT
B. Strong says:
spot on...am so glad i have kept my vinyl.as well..real artefacts!!

Posted on 12 Aug 2012 11:06:25 BDT
Downloads of an album are the same as taking the chapters out of a book you like and ignoring the rest, unless you are into pop music where it is more disposable.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Aug 2012 12:16:34 BDT
i agree man. especially when pop music is pretty much all the same. someone mentioned that pop is about creating a few hits that the radio will play continually, the rest of the songs dont matter. rock/metal on the other hand is different, also a lot of metal bands are concept ie all the songs make up a story. originality that is not seen in mainstream music today

CD's i'm sure many metal fans agree are worth owning if your a fan of the band. its always good to have that certificate.

Posted on 12 Aug 2012 12:42:07 BDT
Downloads are the ideal product for the alienated consumer who is bombarded to buy goods to represent their prepackaged lifestyle. It means not being challenged by anything dissonant as everything is predetermined and wrapped up nicely as a product to be readily consumed. Apart from being chapters ripped from a book, it is the equivalent as a pre-packaged meal full of salt, sugar and utlimately very bland.

Avoid at all cost.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Aug 2012 13:37:30 BDT
Angela Relle says:
Is it only the fear of getting caught that stops you committing crime (in general)?

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Aug 2012 16:01:25 BDT
Last edited by the author on 14 Aug 2012 16:01:50 BDT
Morgan Storm says:
Not really. Generally, thinking that particular crime has bad effects - for example murder makes innocent people dead or that stealing makes someone lose some item, etc. is what normally stops people from committing them. He probably doesn't consider the effects of not deleting the files to be bad enough to be bothered with it.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Aug 2012 23:12:09 BDT
Last edited by the author on 16 Aug 2012 09:57:22 BDT
MC Zaptone says:
Exactly as Morgan says Angela Relle.
Let me ask you a question, that highlights the distinction more succinctly. If someone you loved gave you a burned CD or memory stick full of songs they thought would bring joy to your life and express their love for you would you refuse to accept it or play it because it was in essence breaking the law? Perhaps you would insist that the person firstly came round to your house then asked you to open your computer, furnish them with your Amazon account password bought all the tracks individually from Amazon and then downloaded them to your home computer, then gave you a cheque for the appropriate amount just to stay completely within the boundaries of the law. How spontaneously romantic would that be? And would make even a policeman laugh.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Aug 2012 00:00:46 BDT
2old4925 says:
I would wonder why they were so mean as to not buy me a proper factory pressed CD complete with artwork MCW!

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Aug 2012 11:31:21 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 16 Aug 2012 12:02:28 BDT
Yes, he was. Frank sold so few albums that I was amazed at the numbers, most of them sold in the hundreds of thousands, only a couple broke the million mark, Sheik Yerbouti, as far as I remember, being one of them.

Frank left Warners and basically did everything himself after that eg. sort out the recordings, the studios(mainly his own), get the records and sleeves made, find someone to distribute them etc............pay for the touring bands out of his own pocket, along with their transport and accomodation etc......basically everything that the music industry does.

It was only by cutting out so many middle men that he was able to remain financially afloat. Cancelling his last tour, due to interband personal differences, back in 88 cost him a fortune as the band/accomodation/tour promotion etc... had to be paid despite not finishing the tour off.

Posted on 23 Aug 2012 22:23:32 BDT
Last edited by the author on 23 Aug 2012 22:24:16 BDT
S. Davis says:
Don't chuck away your discs. If you're computer hard drive dies (as they often do, remember hard drives have a limited lifespan) you have a hard backup of your music collection. For this reason I tend to back up anything I download back onto CD...

...that and my Marantz CD-52 CD deck from 1993 sounds way better than my iPod or audio interface from the late noughties.

[Growls at the Frank Zappa bashing, must listen to Roxy & Elsewhere again, 5 times! On compact disc!]

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Aug 2012 16:09:59 BDT
"Even lossless files played through a DAC on a good system are inferior, although the difference is less."

WRONG, a flac copy or WAV copy is identical to playing the actual cd, in no way inferior, there is plenty of indepth technical evidence to support this if you look it up.

Posted on 25 Aug 2012 15:02:22 BDT
A question for the techies amongst you - should Inspector Knacker come knocking at my door to investigate the mp3 files on my hard drive, does he have any way of telling which were ripped from CD and which were purchased as downloads?

I often find that I need to listen to music several times before I really start to like it (I do listen to some obscure (by chart standards) stuff). I'll often try Spotify first, to see if I like something, or borrow / illegaly copy it. People making music to my taste actually benefit from this. For example, I started listening to Steve Hillage on cassette (illegal copy), and ended up buying all his output on vinyl, and again on CD when they came out. I'd always prefer to have the CD if I really liked something.

I would give anything I didn't want anymore to Oxfam as selling it isn't worth the hassle for what I'd get, but I'd have to be very sure before getting rid of anything. You never know...
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