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Initial post: 8 Aug 2013 10:49:29 BDT
Steven says:
Hi I am trying to add a subfolder to the the Documents Folder on a Kindle fire HD. The sub folder contains a collection of PDF's. The Kindle doesn't see the sub folder or PDF's. I can only get it to see the pdf's if I add them directly to the documents folder.

Does anyone know a way to add them as a collection or subfolder?


In reply to an earlier post on 8 Aug 2013 11:09:53 BDT
Denis Powell says:
This isn't a facility that's available on the Fire. You can, however, create folders and use something like ES File Explorer to locate and open files.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Aug 2013 13:24:36 BDT
Steven says:
Thanks Denis

Posted on 21 Jan 2014 17:54:14 GMT
Davembk says:
I get the same. What's the point in the docs tab if it can't do a simple task such as recognising a "folder" file type? Everyone creates sub folders. The user guide does not mention that you can't see files if you've put them into a sub folder. If Office Suite can do it then the docs tab should to as they are both used together

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jan 2014 17:58:25 GMT
Everyone may create subfolders but do you actually need to?
Management and display options very often negate the need for subfolders.
Similar to the desire to plug a device in rather than use a cloud.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jan 2014 18:48:54 GMT
Denis Powell says:
Install ES File Explorer and you can do everything you wish to. It's just like Windows Explorer.

Posted on 28 Jan 2014 20:03:34 GMT
Davembk says:
But surely we have to make subfolders or do we want to spend our time sifting through myriad documents?
Say you have 20 docs all directly in docs folder. The docs tab picks them all up. Then you decide to sort them into subfolders within the docs folder, e.g. Finance, Car, etc.
Docs tab now does not see anything. Take one file back, directly into docs folder again, and docs tab now sees that one doc only. So Kindle Office Suite lets you happily create subfolders whilst at the same time, Kindle docs tab doesn't see subfolders....illogical....

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jan 2014 20:11:01 GMT
Denis Powell says:
There is no such thing as "Kindle Office Suite". There are office suites provided by other developers but Amazon aren't obliged to make their OS work with any of their features.

If you have the latest model you can create Collections, which serves a very similar purpose. I use those to group apps as well as books and personal documents.

Posted on 28 Jan 2014 20:14:16 GMT
Davembk says:
The same happens with pictures. As soon as you make subfolders, e.g. holiday, mum's 150th birthday, then the photo tab says "no photos on this device". So it's a blatant malfunction regardless of whether or not you can work around it, which luckily you can.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jan 2014 21:56:12 GMT
DaveyH says:
"So it's a blatant malfunction"

I'm not sure how you make such an assertion. Did you write the specification for the Fire OS?

Posted on 28 Jan 2014 22:11:57 GMT
ChrisJ says:
There has always been a debate between the "filers" and the "pilers".
Filers like to have many folders, they like to move their information into those folders, they like to ensure things are carefully organised. But, in general, that is the old way that was needed to be followed when retrieval systems were less easy to use.
The pilers, on the other hand, put all their stuff into one place, and use modern retrieval systems (e.g. collections) to tag and identify what is appropriate to use and what I want to find. Attributes, tags, keywords and search become very important.

I would agree with DaveyH: There is no reason why Amazon should have designed a new, modern, device to support old fashioned approaches...

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jan 2014 22:12:16 GMT
Denis Powell says:
I have lots of Folders for pictures on my Fire but I don't need sub-folders so my Fire functions just as promised.

Posted on 28 Jan 2014 23:15:06 GMT
Davembk says:
Hi Denis,
Appreciated but this device, fire hd only has folder options, no collections.
So my only option then if I use docs tab is to have all docs in one folder, the docs folder

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jan 2014 23:24:19 GMT
Denis Powell says:
Then you don't have one of the newer models. The lack of any "Collections" facility on those was an issue for many, addressed by the newer models.

For personal files I used to create Folders using ES File Explorer and open them from there but I agree that's not an ideal workaround.

I loaded all my photos, however, including the Folders themselves straight to the Photos folder on my Fire HD (no sub folders involved) and they show as separate Folders in the Photos tab. So I see them as "Canal Holiday", "Ramblers on Coastal Path", "Waverley Excursion" etc.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014 21:58:48 GMT
Davembk says:
Hi Denis,

Yes, that is Exactly as I do, and I apologise for my mention of subfolder.

I had called it subfolders, because to me, it was still a folder within a folder, albeit only at that top level.

So all I have done is as you have done, ie have a few folders (with no folders in those) sitting straight in the main folder eg in the main Photos folder (same with Documents folder).
So no subfolders.

But unlike with your Kindle, I'm still left where the Docs, or Photos tab, does not see those top level folders that are sitting straight in the Docs or Photos folders. ie the Docs or Photos lists remain empty.
But if as a test, you took one of those files out and stuck it straight into the main eg Docs or Photos folder, then the appropriate tab now sees it.

You always know the files are there, device Storage shows bytes that change as you add/remove stuff.

I do take your point that Office Suite is not made by Kindle and that Amazon are not obliged to make their OS work with it, but for relatively lay people like me, it does seem strange that as one intuitively learns the box, and its seemingly related functions, eg Office Suite and the home screen Docs and Photos tabs, one then finds that they don't connect at all cohesively.

If only the tabs recognised folders as well as individual file types, then people would not be stuck with loads of unrelated files, and with no opportunity to use folders to sort them.
As it happens, you can manage it all through Office Suite and never use the tabs, but what a pain..
Anyway, I've logged it with Amazon.

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