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Initial post: 8 Jan 2014 18:08:59 GMT
PJB says:
I am really getting fed up with buying books for kindle and then the book ending at about 80% of the content. The remainder is filled with advertising/first chapter of next book etc. If you buy a hard copy you can see when the book is going to end and of course you can cheat by looking at the end whenever. But with kindle you are often buying sight unseen. My last purchase ended abruptly at 86% and I was left gasping. Is this common of all the genres - or just the sci fi that I am reading?

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jan 2014 18:11:40 GMT
DaveyH says:
I can't say it's something I've particularly come across. In the odd book yes, but certainly not the majority in my experience.

Posted on 8 Jan 2014 18:14:06 GMT
Thinker says:
Most books seem to end at near 100 percentage- at times, I have found early ending too,, to be fair this had happened with paperbacks as much with samples chapters and blank pages.

Posted on 8 Jan 2014 18:17:53 GMT
Last edited by the author on 8 Jan 2014 18:18:51 GMT
Walker says:

I've read plenty of paper books where, after the story has finished, I'm treated to a score of ads for books, the first chapter in the next book by the same author, or even a question and answer session with the author. Having those extras included in the ebook version is a good thing. It never cuts the story off, so I really fail to see your problem.

It is not really any different to buying a DVD, watching the ads for other films, plus having all the extras to watch after the main feature.

Posted on 8 Jan 2014 18:19:31 GMT
Last edited by the author on 8 Jan 2014 18:21:13 GMT
Yes. I've never had a book just cut off in mid flow as yet, but I am also very aware of advertising in some of the cookbooks that I buy. Some of the American ones in particular can have up to half of their content solely dedicated to advertising all of the other books by the author, and sometimes the rest of the whole series by the publisher too, as well as page after page of clickable links to vaguely related websites and blogs. A 50 page book can turn out to have barely 20 recipes in.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jan 2014 18:23:40 GMT
I have to say you are talking through your hat somewhat old girl.

Firstly, I like not knowing where the end of a book is. So much of our entertainment is portion controlled. The movie lasts 2 hours so we know that all will be resolved in the next 4 minutes. The final chapter heralds the grand denouement. Reading and just knowing you are somewhere in a story if a luxury.

I think I've now read about 1,300 eBooks. This does not include those I have thrown away as mistakes. I can certainly think of a handful where there was free chapters of other books, even a couple where significant preambles existed (Bram Stoker comes to mind). I'm buying the story. If it was a fantastic story complete, entertaining and enthralling I see no problems with it being 50 pages or 500.

Like anyone I think 500 pages is more "value for money" - but if one thinks about it that really is rubbish. If I am blown away for moments or mildly entertained for days, now that is a judgement.

If you really are worried about bang for your buck search for the megapack range - they specialise in 40+ books for about 50p

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jan 2014 19:02:11 GMT
Denis Powell says:
The only time I've seen a book finish at anything like 80% is with short stories but I find that only rarely. Most of the short stories I buy are from two particular publishers and I quite like reading about other books available at the end of the story.

For me, satisfaction lies in the quality of the writing and not the page it ends on. I wish some books would continue for another 100 pages. Others say all they need to in 50 pages but go on unnecessarily for another 100 pages.

Posted on 8 Jan 2014 20:13:56 GMT
PJB says:
Sorry not talking through my hat. It may just be the genre that I am reading at the moment then but it is fairly common honestly. This isn't the short stories or novellas but books. Most include the first chapter of the next book which takes up at least 4%. That wouldn't be so bad but in my recent purchase I had already read the first chapter in the last book and then repeating information from previous books about language development etc. took up the other 12%. I just think that 80% of a book being the actual content when it is at full price is a bit off.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jan 2014 20:25:07 GMT
Last edited by the author on 8 Jan 2014 20:25:33 GMT
I phrased it badly, you are correct. You are talking rubbish.

You always get 100% of the book. You then get extra chapters. Extra notes. Extra references. in every situation you have 100% of the book.
(Unless you are buying a chapter book or instalment series, in which case you are mad)

If you are seriously buying your books by page count then ... so be it.

Posted on 8 Jan 2014 20:31:20 GMT
Lucy Lou says:
Oh Combat stop being so pompous. It's disgusting.

You could simply have stated that the book is always 100% but the authors or publishers add extra to advertise up coming books. You're still getting all of the book you purchased so feeling "shortchanged" is simply a matter of not really understanding that point.

Posted on 8 Jan 2014 20:48:05 GMT
CBRetriever says:
This one:

The Discovery of France: Picador Classic by Graham Robb ended at 51%. The resto of the book was filled with:

Chronology up to 53%
Notes up to 64%
Works cited up to 74%
General index up to 83%
Geographical index up to 97%
Acknowledgements up to 98%
End notes up to 98%
Reviews up to 99%
Also by up to 99%
and the rest was illustrations

that's the worst I've seen

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jan 2014 23:48:16 GMT
Last edited by the author on 9 Jan 2014 00:17:34 GMT
Caain says:
Dear CW - please attempt to be a tad more considerate to posters - ie "talking through your hat old girl" No need for gratuitous, pompous mockery.
Frankly, you do appear to be talking "through your a s s" of late - quite utterly derogatory, bad mannered and uncalled for - old chap :)
edited ;o)


In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2014 00:35:51 GMT
I see you have replied to a post. Since I have no interest in anything you say this seems a little futile.

I suggest you constrain your comments to persons who hold you in any regard or don't have you on ignore.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2014 08:20:23 GMT
Damaskcat says:
I think it is something which people who read mainly non-fiction are used to because an important part of much non-fiction IS notes on chapters, bibliography and index.

I have no real problems with fiction including a chapter from the next book and adverts for other books as I find both useful. It's not as if you don't get things like that in paper books.

If it bothers you - a quick look at the contents list on the look inside feature - or in the free sample would give you an idea if how much room in the file the actual book takes up. If you feel the story itself doesn't occupy enough of the file then don't buy.

Posted on 9 Jan 2014 08:40:39 GMT
Jo says:
It happens a lot in the Romance genre, certain publishers are worst than others.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2014 09:03:09 GMT
I Readalot says:
It is not really a case of being worse or better, you are paying for the book which you get in full, the rest is, well, free, the book would have cost the same whether it was there or not. I think a lot of people find the 'if you enjoyed this then try' pages useful. There are frequently threads on Amazon where people say they really enjoyed a certain author and ask for recs of similar books. The publisher are using the opportunity to advertise directly to a particular demographic and in this day and age it makes perfect business sense.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2014 09:08:45 GMT
Damaskcat says:
I find it a very useful feature myself and have picked up lots of books I enjoyed that way - many I would not probably have come across any other way.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2014 09:39:15 GMT
I Readalot says:
Same here. I also like being able to read the first chapter of the authors next novel or in some cases it could be the first chapter of an author I haven't read. Since reading groups have become more popular than ever the interviews with the author and suggested discussion topics are definitely useful and no doubt valued by many. And the fact is no-one is actually paying over the odds for that added feature but it is there for anyone who wants it.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2014 10:10:58 GMT
Ethereal says:
"If you buy a hard copy you can see when the book is going to end and of course you can cheat by looking at the end whenever."

I think this is more a problem with ebooks than wanting to get one's money's worth - a concept I've never understood with novels where quality is more important than quantity and only applies for me with short stories which I prefer in a collection rather than stand-alone - or dislike of advertising which can easily be skipped.

"My last purchase ended abruptly at 86% and I was left gasping."

That sounds more like a problem with the ending than being shortchanged and it wouldn't have mattered if the story had no adverts following its conclusion.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2014 10:22:51 GMT
I Readalot says:
And I can see there being even more complaints if the added features were in the book but not the ebook. Some of the best novels I have ever read have been short, 'Of Mice and Men' and 'Candide' must be 2 of the most perfect novels ever IMO.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2014 17:50:00 GMT
BeeJayTee says:
If I'd been left gasping just 86% of the way through I'd be most satisfied.
I'd probably leave a tip,

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2014 20:01:22 GMT
HA HA HA!!! - we are still talking about books, aren't we BJT?!! - LOL!!! ;o>

Posted on 9 Jan 2014 20:39:28 GMT
Joo says:
I get annoyed when the story stops long before 100%. I've seen one novel stop at 60% and a short story being shorter than the sample for another book that was included.
Yes, I feel "short changed" too. Not in a monitory sense, but in an anticipatory sense.
I had percentage read at the bottom of my KK and now I'm used to the time left on my PW.
If reading a thriller, seeing that I'm at 70-80% makes me feel I'm getting towards the build up to the finale. I feel like I have a few more set pieces / more info etc to come. Then it says "The End".
I'm happy for a book to finish at 95+% If I want a sample of the next book, it's not difficult to get that off Amazon. I don't mind the author telling me there's lots more out there, where their web pages / blog pages / FB pages are and a bit about themselves. They should make me want to look for them rather than miff me off.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2014 20:50:08 GMT
Denis Powell says:
I expect all stories to end before the 100%, just as they do in paper books. The Paper book I'm currently reading has 14 pages before the story starts and 15 after it finishes. That's 10% of the total number of pages in the book. If you get annoyed when a story doesn't continue on to the very last page then I suggest you don't read any book, either e or printed.

Publishers like to advertise their wares in the books they sell. If you were an author I suspect you'd want them to advertise your book to as many people as possible and not expect potential customers to search for information.

If a story is well written it will have a satisfactory end. If it isn't it may leave you wanting more. It may even leave you wishing there were less.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2014 20:51:49 GMT
CBRetriever says:
but it happens all the time on paper books too - I'll think I have 20-30 more pages to go according to the thickness to the right of where I am only to hit the ending

at least on a kindle, you have the option of looking at a TOC and seeing what's in the book as it always says if there's something more
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