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Initial post: 20 Feb 2014 00:59:17 GMT
Ness says:
Hi I notice what seems to be a fake/copied app being sold while browsing on my Kindle fire the suspected Fake is [[ ASIN: B00DSI6R2G Arbex Escape by Beth Ho]] it has bad reviews the graphics in the advert are taken from this game [[ ASIN: B00EPNWZ0G URBEX by Psionic Games]] which is free and also very good I thought. Arbex Escape is not genuine and needs to be removed please, and I susspect after reserch that all Beth HO's apps for sale are fake.

Posted on 20 Feb 2014 07:17:01 GMT
ChrisJ says:
What is a "fake" app? Does it work, even if the graphics are bad?? If so, it cant be a fake app, just a very bad app...

You will need to report the problem to Amazon, not to other customers like us. See the Help at the top of the screen and Contact Us button.

But I would have thought that Psionic Games would be more interested... Maybe you can report it to them?

Posted on 20 Feb 2014 11:41:09 GMT
Ness says:
Hi Chris thanks for the tip, I couldn't see a way of reporting the App to Amazon it's not very clear or straight forward and find it frustrating that they don't make it easier.

A fake app in this case is one that has been copeid and possibly maybe reverse engineerd recodedand tampered with in a way that could do your mcahine damage and or steal your information, and copied apps generally don't work properly either. I did also contact Psionic Games before Amazon but again found it tricky - being dyslexic can make thing frustrating sometimes.

However at the end of teh day Amazon are letting purveyers of counterfeit goods sell on their site so I think it is appropriate to post it here and warn others who like myself do not realise how prolific these fake Apps are.

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Last edited by the author on 20 Feb 2014 12:58:33 GMT
Lucy Lou says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 20 Feb 2014 22:12:34 GMT
Ness says:
I agree I maybe jumped the gun with accusations regarding the validity of the Arbex app as you put it however my concerns are not totally groundless if you look closer. I checked against sites warning of fake games and what to look for including: norton, Cnet, trendmicro, and others. The so called developer 'Beth Ho' has no visible professional internet profile what so ever, which is highly suspicious, all they have are lists of apps for sale on largely dubious websites and other dubious Chinese connections.

I understand what you say regarding the copyright of apps not being Amazons responsibility a bit like pirate bay I suppose, and how nigh on impossible it is for them to police, my main concern though is my security rather than somebody's copyright.
My use of the word 'letting' wasn't right I agree, as I like to believe Amazon wouldn't deliberately allow fake infected malicious apps to be sold which could potentially infect many thousands as has happened via google play, and if one or two slip through the net they would take action eventually.

Posted on 20 Feb 2014 22:19:43 GMT
Lucy Lou says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 20 Feb 2014 22:33:07 GMT
Ness says:
Indeed but I learned long ago to trust my nose and if Beth Ho thinks i'm talking rubbish she's welcome to sue me.

Posted on 21 Feb 2014 07:57:22 GMT
Lucy Lou says:
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Posted on 21 Feb 2014 11:49:13 GMT
Ness says:
The 'Psionic Games' the Original Developer of at least one of these games has confirmed on his website that this Chenese seller 'Beth Ho' is indeed selling ripped off coppies Games and software which may also contain malicious code. So yes Clagg I do stand by what I said and am glad I would not allow someone with absolutly no understanding at all of these matters such as yourself to sway me, anyway amazon are dealing with it now.

I wouldn't let teh 'No' votes get you down Clegg but then you don't sound a happy content person anyway, cheer up.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Feb 2014 20:01:14 GMT
The Emperor says:
I love the way "Clagg" is incredibly abusive towards people and then cries about people hitting a No button.

Posted on 21 Feb 2014 22:47:39 GMT
Ness says:
Clagg "I am not mean" for a fleeting moment I felt a pang of remorse suggesting he's not happy but then my nose had a compulsion to delve. I see now that he reads quite a bit, mostly materials with a dark edge to them and yet he hated most of those books with a scathing scornful passion.
Alas I see one of the SAD lights was no good which confirms/explains things a bit.

Clagg you should get out a bit more, relax and enjoy life while you can, play some golf get on your bike, eat some mushrooms and get away from yourself.... Most importantly, quit reading Vogon poetry it's really bad for you?

Posted on 27 Feb 2014 14:05:38 GMT
Ness says:
I had hoped that Amazon would respond to the email I sent them about the fake apps but I got not one single reply which spoke volumes to me. I saw that Amazon have removed the fake Arbex app, yet they have obviously decided to let the scammer Beth Ho/Zhiqiang Huang/Huang Zhiqiang (all the same person) carry on selling the other substandard Fake Apps on Amazon.

Looking around the internet I find 'Beth Ho' links to which is registerd to Zhiqiang Huang/Huang Zhiqiang who has possibly a couple of hundred or more scammy web domains (I have a list) registered with slight variations on his details at addresses in same province in China. Amongst others, Beth Ho uses email calmgoing at sina. Zhiqiang Huang/Huang Zhiqiang uses calmgoing at gmail, no coincidence.

Zhiqiang Huang/Huang Zhiqiang credits the non existant 'Beth Ho' as being developer of apps he has ripped off on itunes and google play, when infact they are the same person and 'none of them' are genuine developers.

This scammer has had other apps removed from Amazon before, including a Spongebob rip off so why would Amazon let a known scammer continue to sell dodgy apps. I was naive not realising there were so many fake apps about and also in thinking Amazon actually cared about it's customers enough to remove the sharks from the pool. I can only assume since Amazon have not bothered that there is much profit in it for Amazon, very dissapointing.

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Posted on 28 Feb 2014 11:39:36 GMT
Mrs Wibble says:
Let's assume for a moment that Ness did indeed buy counterfeit software via Amazon (I can't say either way because I haven't researched the history of the developers, etc.)...

As I understand, the legitimate owner must make contact in order for the situation to be investigated by Amazon, the police or any "official" body.

The extent of Amazon's relationship with Ness in this is to remedy the situation either by providing the correct app, or else by giving a full refund. Once Amazon has done this, there is no reason for Amazon to communicate further with Ness over the issue at all.

Because Amazon has suffered the loss, it is up to Amazon (or the licence owner, of course) to contact the police or issue legal proceedings.

I know what you are thinking: "So much for doing the right thing and reporting it!" I felt the same way when I realised. Having given it some thought, however, I guess there would be an avalanche of reports to wade through if everyone was able to call up whenever something looked "wrong". If they decide only to deal with the owner, then that means that the quality of the initial report will be better and that helps expedite any investigation. Otherwise, it means they've got to go hunting for the owner to ask them if there's a problem.

I've had a lot of my photographs reused from my website, despite including copyright notices on the actual images. My problem is that people think they can cut and paste whatever they find on the Web - so easy for someone just to paste my work into Facebook instead of linking to it, for example. I understand the developer's upset over this app, but unless you are extremely strict about distribution from the outset, it happens. :o(

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Feb 2014 11:45:01 GMT
The Emperor says:
You seem to be constantly trying to bully people.
You make a huge number of ridiculously unpleasant comments about people and very rarely add anything to discussions.

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