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Kindle will gets library lending - but not in uk yet..

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In reply to an earlier post on 23 Nov 2012 23:17:44 GMT
Er, well its not the eInk stuff i know that, but its a simliar screen to any tablet really. I haven't yet seen one and got hands on, but considering how much it is, its fair to say it seems like a good screen. Id say probably just like the Arc.

It is an eReader but its not like the Kindles or other Kobos. As they put it, "Its the words first social eReader". And it is based around books, but you have other things you can do on it. It really is like the Kindle Fire. Same price too.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Nov 2012 23:14:59 GMT
I reid says:
What kind of a screen has the Vox got; is it like the Glo or like the Arc. To my mind it can only be regarded as reader first and a tablet second if its screen is like the Glo.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Nov 2012 23:06:07 GMT
Thanks I'll check them out if I end up with a Kobo.

Posted on 23 Nov 2012 23:05:16 GMT
willie wit says:
Some of my shorts are on Kobo for free Nick if you like indie books.


Posted on 23 Nov 2012 22:59:52 GMT
Yeah Kobo's are VERY GOOD in terms of price and quality. I originally wanted a Kobo Glo. But I decided to broaden my choice and looked at eReaders and tablets in general. Got looking at the Kobo Vox and Arc. The Kobo Vox is like the Kindle Fire, and the Kobo Arc is like what the Kindle Fire HD is to the Kindle Fire; A more expensive but I guess better model.

Thing is though, the Kobo Vox is an eReader, but its a tablet social after that. Its mainly for reading but then it adds on lots of other features like web browsing, apps, etc. The Kindle Fire id say is tablet first but has emphasis on the reading, but Kobo is usually reading first.

The Kobo's are good quality and good price and you can loan from the library. My parents both have the Kobo Touch editions, they're about £70, the Kobo Glo (Like the nook in a way), is only £99, and then the Kobo Vox, £129. So not bad really.

Posted on 23 Nov 2012 22:55:15 GMT
willie wit says:
I noticed a kobo mini the other day on offer at £50 in WH Smiths.


Posted on 23 Nov 2012 22:50:18 GMT
Ok thanks. I did a bit of digging around since earlier, and it seems as though Overdrive doesn't allow in the UK. Long story short. But looking at the Kobo Vox, which is VERY simliar in looks and features to the Kindle Fire (Including price), it seems the better deal for me. It allows you to borrow from the library with ePub files and all, plus I have it on good knowledge from my parents that about all Kobo's work with this system.

As I said, the Kobo Vox is strikingly familiar to the Kindle, so I think I may go with that, plus its more reading orientated.

Thanks anyway Denis.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Nov 2012 22:39:14 GMT
Denis Powell says:
Nick, I have the Fire HD and borrow books from the Welsh eBook Library service using Aldiko which I downloaded from as they don't use Overdrive. The e-ink Kindles can't be used. Overdrive is available from the same source, however, so I assume that could be used to borrow books from the Libraries that use it.

Posted on 23 Nov 2012 18:41:09 GMT
Hey. I've been studying this over the last few days, about E-Books and all, looking around and trying to make heads or tails of it.

I started off at looking at the Kobo's, which my parents both have Kobo Touch Editions, and they informed me they can borrow out up to 4 books from the library with them. I looked around and found the Kobo Glo, and then the Kobo Vox. Now the Vox I very much liked, good price, good features, and all. Then I realised the Kindle Fire was the same price. Now, my library said they don't support Kindles, but yet the Overdrive thing says that Kindle Fires support the E-pub, and Kindle files. It said that it was a compatible device, whereas the Kobo Vox didn't show.

I'm just wondering, has anyone got a Kindle Fire and CAN borrow from their library? What do they use? My library uses Overdrive, but some people on here and other discussions have said they have been able to, and others have said they can't?

I'm a bit confused and right now I'm keeping my options open, but can anyone maybe explain this lending and what works and what doesn't?


In reply to an earlier post on 23 Nov 2012 18:03:09 GMT
Denis Powell says:
I don't think Public Libraries have the funds to spend at the moment, but if you have a Kindle Fire you should be able to borrow ebooks from your local library.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Nov 2012 16:42:29 GMT
Meena says:
I totally agree with Tony, please bring this feature to UK

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Sep 2012 16:54:16 BDT
Denis Powell says:
Many thanks for that info. I've not made much use of Calibre so that tip is very useful.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Sep 2012 16:51:49 BDT
Last edited by the author on 22 Sep 2012 16:56:23 BDT
Berzelius says:
Denis, I started off by dragging files across from Windows to the plugged-in PRS-T1, then tried the Sony software and then promptly binned it.

I then found that the "Send to device" command worked in Calibre so I have been using that. However, I have just discovered over the past few days that Calibre will apparently create Collections on the PRS-T1. To check the details you need to dig really deep in Calibre.

Preferences->Change Behaviour->Advanced->Plug-ins->Device Interface Plugins->Sony PRST1->Customise plug-in

In the text you will see "comma separated list of metadata fields turn into collections on device". The default fields are series & tags which I presume you can change, if wished.

I gave it a quick try out and it seems to work. The PRS-T1 actually belongs to Mrs B who will use it for dowloading <looks embarrassed and shuffles feet> series of Mills & Boon books so, with a bit of luck, if I simply give books in each of the series a simple, descriptive tag I should get them automatically into useful collections. We shall see.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Sep 2012 22:11:06 BDT
Bluestocking says:
@Peter J Riley - I borrow library books all the time but I read them on my iPad. You can also download them to your PC or Mac.n the URL for my area is www.wiltshire.lib/
You could try with your library county. You download the service and log on with your library card number, set up a password etc. I borrow three or four books at a time and you have 21 days to read them. No fines because they just snatch it back after 21 days.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Sep 2012 22:00:43 BDT
Denis Powell says:
Berzelius, I can't register my PRS-T1 with ADE but I've successfully added ebooks without it. The Sony software has always bad but for the PRS-T1 it's so bad I can't say on here just what I think of it without being banned for life.

The PRS-650 and the T1 have some features that the Kindle doesn't and which I use on a regular basis so they're still useful devices for me as the pros outweigh the cons. The total Amazon/Kindle experience is, in my opinion, second to none. I've just bought 5 books direct from a publisher, downloaded them to my Laptop and then used Send to Kindle to send them to my Touch and the Cloud and amended one title to take into account the series name. For the Sony I'd have to use Calibre to change the name so this way saves time.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Sep 2012 16:02:02 BDT
Last edited by the author on 21 Sep 2012 16:03:18 BDT
Berzelius says:
Denis, you mention Sony readers in an aside. If you intend to use it for library downloads I'd do a bit of checking first. Before the PRS-T1 and T2, Sony eReaders would interface directly with Adobe Digital Editions (ADE) (which I believe is what most libraries use for their downloads). Now, despite what a number of sites mistakenly say, the newer Sony's are simply not directly compatible with ADE - google along the lines of "how do I get my PRS-T1 to work with ADE" and you'll get lots of hits. What you have to do now is connect your library downloads to the Sony reader via Sony's own software. Now, I doubt if you will find many complimentary things said about this particular software. For one thing it's a total bully - it insists on binning various of your file associations and using its own.

There is supposed to be a direct library download on the PRS-T1 but I'm not sure how good it is. If you've got reasonable technical skills you can use Calibre instead, but it's not really suitable for the novice user.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Sep 2012 15:06:37 BDT
Denis Powell says:
I don't think you can expect Amazon to be eager to introduce something that causes them to, possibly, lose money. They want you to buy ebooks and not borrow them.

They make very little money, if any, on the sale of the device but make their profit on the sale of media. Perhaps, in the US, the introduction of Library Lending led to a downturn in ebook buying by existing Kindle owners. If that were the case I can't see why they would want to introduce it here at all. If Amazon were to charge more for the devices in order to make the biggest profit that way then I'm sure they'd be falling over themselves backwards to make it a feature here, but then we'd have to pay a higher price for our Kindles.

Like many things, cars in particular, you decide on the features you need and buy accordingly. If a Sony or Kobo ticks more boxes then that's certainly the way to go.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Sep 2012 14:54:06 BDT
Kate says:
Hi there, I travel a lot and used to cart hard copy books with me, which weigh a lot in a suitcase limited to 20kg by airlines. The kindle gets round this. I have 3 phone batteries but all would be flat when i landed, and thus make the phone useless for phoning people till i could charge it. Furthermore, some idiot airlines dont appreciate that phones have airplane mode and will not allow you to use your phone as a music device or book reader!!
Overdrive works in the USA on kindles, I use Overdrive and kindle in the UK and would like to receive equal treatment to people in the USA

Posted on 21 Sep 2012 08:12:43 BDT
After reading most of what has been posted in this very old thread, it's clearer than ever - there's no good reason why Amazon haven't gone with library lending and Overdrive in The UK. None. And I don't understand why some people support Amazon's choice and don't want to upset the cake tray - that's really silly.

It IS treating the UK as an inferior place. It seems Amazon does things here when someone in the American head office finally says - OK, we'd better do that now or actually we'll lose 50 million users in the next 5 years to xxx. But they don't think in advance, only after losses of millions of users. They only act a year or two after critical time for business. Which tells you that they don't really care in respect of business, they just potter along and do some things, just what they feel like. They're the biggest shop in the world, and I guess Amazon UK is probably the biggest shop in the UK, or very close, and that's that, and that's unlikely to change, and they have no compulsion to do anything else quickly or other than very, very, very slowly.

Is it kind of a fascist thing? They want us to grovel? Look at all those online adverts for the Kindle Ereader over the last few years, and we had to get them sent from USA for £30 postage or whatever, and it took ages (I didn't buy one, but I saw and heard).

I got a UK Kindle for my elderly mother for Christmas last year and she loves it, but still thinks she can use it to read library books here. I tried to tell her recently when she mentioned the library and I started saying "I don't think with Kindle, with that particular Ebook reader ... ", but she interrupted me and said "Oh yes, I was looking at the local library website and reading about it, and, yes you can." I don't know how to tell her about "incompatibility" when she must live in a sensible world in her head without such utter nonsense. I don't know how to break it to her. (Sobs). While budget is very limited, I think I'll look around for a cheap Kobo or Sony or whatever to complement the Kindle. I don't want to take the Kindle away from her and say "We'll get another, a different brand, and sell this in Ebay", because she has accepted it and the very reader itself she has may define her acceptance of this technology or part acceptance of technology in general in her life.

Oh dear. To have 2 ebook readers - handbags aren't made for that - just because Amazon won't agree to Overdrive UK. Overdrive USA, yes, just not here. Wonder why! But that I guess I've already given the answer.

Only leaves one to say...



Posted on 21 Sep 2012 08:06:55 BDT
I have downloaded library books to my Motorola Zoom using overdrive. You can make overdrive look very like the Kindle format because it gives you the option of turning the screen down just for reading and even grey on black - then when you want to use the tablet it automatically reverts to normal brightness.

Posted on 21 Sep 2012 07:59:06 BDT
Dr Kate, you need 3 or 4 new spare batteries for your phone. Your phone is probably an iPhone or something with expensive batteries. I give my advice after realising that good, spare batteries for my Sony Xperia X1, an older phone, are only £3 to £4 each in Ebay UK. These are proper, Sony branded batteries of the same capacity as come with the phone. I was really surprised, and when they turned up, as perfectly good, actual Sony batteries. So, have a look in Ebay for phone batteries which don't cost a lot. Why not carry 6 around!? If your work is in one place, in an office or a little surgery, it's not really a chore to swap one for the next and so on at the charger. If your workplace allows!

Posted on 12 Sep 2012 14:25:58 BDT
I reid says:
I've not done this but apparently there is freeware readily avalable which allows you to convert epub books to kindle friendly format and and also remove the DRM.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Jul 2012 17:24:58 BDT
Nell says:
I have been downloading ebooks and e-audio books from my local libraries for several years now. In the pursuit of getting an ebook reader which would successfully allow me to read PDFs from, I bought a couple of cheaper ebook readers and then discovered that I could download library books using Adobe Digital Editions (admittedly I still couldn't read the Archive PDFs) so I was very happy. I am also able to download audiobooks via Overdrive and listen to them on my phone.

Again in pursuit of the PDF solution, I gave in and got an iPad which had an Overdrive App which allowed me to download most library books directly. i also managed to read said PDFs on it which made me very very happy. I also find iPad much more night-reading friendly even if I can't read from it in the park in bright sunshine (then the Kindle comes into its own).

Personally, I wouldn't want to give up access to library books via something other than Kindle (which is the first ebook reader I acquired), but if Kindle wants to join in then I am more than happy to read library books on the Kindle as well as other devices. I just don't want them to take over any more of the world than it already has.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Jun 2012 09:21:04 BDT
Denis Powell says:
Deb, I believe Amazon make little profit on the Kindle itself so people who want to borrow books from a Public Library are not the market the Kindle is aimed at. They want you to buy books, not borrow them, so you buying a Kobo doesn't "hit them in the pocket" to any significant degree.

The Kobo is a nice little device but as I've already saved enough money on eBook purchases (compared to the cost of the paper equivalents) to pay for my three Kindles I'm perfectly happy to stay with Amazon. I buy a lot of books from retailers other than Amazon but never need to connect my Kindle to my laptop in order to load them as the Wireless delivery system is so easy to use. The whole process is much easier than with the Kobo.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Jun 2012 09:05:35 BDT
Lucy Lou says:
Aww bless you. At least your reason for changing to a Kobo was not a childish post with rants and nonsensicle taunts. Although you mistake the "vote with your purse" bit for something that Amazon gives a damn about.

The thing is, you don't buy a Kindle with the promise that you can lend library books. Nowhere it is stated that you can borrow book, so to even mention it as a reason for ditching or winging like an old fart is ridiculous.
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