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In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 11:55:16 BDT
Elaine4Wales says:
I have to agree Tiggs about certain individuals being neglected. I have an elderly neighbour in her 80's and her only family are spread across the country and don't make regular trips to see her. Her day to day care is shambolic, because apparently she doesn't pass certain criteria to make her eligible for daily care. I try and visit her at least once a day, even if it's just to pop my head around the door to check she is ok. I found her one day last week huddled over a small electric fire, wrapped in blankets, and was too cold to move to even make a cup of tea. She is scared to put her heating on as she is worried about paying the bill. I make her flasks of tea and sandwiches, so she doesn't have to move, but she really makes for a pitiful sight and her situation is sadly a common one these days!

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 11:58:22 BDT
Tigger's Mum says:
Eric, its in the same place as 'Care in the Community'

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 12:05:42 BDT
Last edited by the author on 2 Apr 2013 12:10:42 BDT
Tigger's Mum says:
My elderly neighbour in his nineties gets the full care package he is chairbound and confused, and he's not much better off than your neighbour. He is warm and fed but flying visits from his carers don't really equate to my idea of living comfortably in old age. Its like keeping hamsters, bring in the food take out the soiled bedding, and that's it. They heat his frozen meal up and are gone to their next 'client' before he's finished so unless neighbours go in he's left with his plate until they come again. I've found him asleep face down in it more than once. He has a daughter and she has a carers allowance but isn't there all the time.

Posted on 2 Apr 2013 13:18:56 BDT
Linda says:
My mum got a care package when she came out of hospital which consisted of three visits a day. She was allocated 15mins in the morning which in this time the carer had to help her to get washed, dressed and make her some breakfast. There was absolutely no way the carer would be able to do this as mum was literally so weak. She was given the same at night and 10mins at lunch. My sister ended up giving her job up to be her full time carer.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 13:32:49 BDT
Damaskcat says:
In my experience you have to really emphasise to social services that the alternative to them providing adequate care for the individual is that the person will have to go into a care home. It costs ten times as much for the state to provide nursing care for an individual in a care home compared with the carer's allowance paid to someone who has given up their job to look after the person.

When I first approached social services I really stressed to them that I could not continue if they did not provide respite care but that I felt I could continue with adequate back up.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 14:00:25 BDT
Daisi says:
I am glad they listened Damaskcat it is harsh for people who have paid in all their life to find out the state wont help them when they need it. I have been fortunate I have never had to claim anything in benefits so far, but as my OH and I have paid in all our lives I am really hoping we dont end up scrimping and scraping in our old age. I feel sorry for the pensioners that have worked hard and are now afraid to use their heating in the winter.

Posted on 2 Apr 2013 14:05:10 BDT
Tigger's Mum says:
Its not my place to say what sort of care my neighbour should have but I do feel he would have more company and stimulation in a residential home. I can't see how sitting in the same chair seeing no-one and not moving is doing either his body or mind any good. I know the carers need two people to lift him, but if one arrives before the other they sit outside smoking, and wait for the second one to arrive. I feel like telling them to go in and put the kettle on or do something useful. I know if there's no one in the house he only gets a scant 10 minutes and they dash off.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 14:09:33 BDT
Tigger's Mum says:
I feel sorry for them too, I'm sure for some of them the worry of the bill outweighs the cost of heating and so they deprive themselves of adequate heating. Another thing that annoys me is that people who do not want debt from large energy bills and pay by token in the meter pay more per unit than a monthly account holder does. That doubly penalises the careful user. It may cost the energy companies to empty the meter but they don't even read the meters like they used to and when I was a kid most meters were coin operated. The units should cost the same however you pay for it.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 14:11:42 BDT
eric rambler says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 14:19:22 BDT
Tigger's Mum says:
The energy companies are more than a bit coy about their tariffs. You can only seem to find out if you fill in questionnaires with a view to switching to them. There doesn't appear to be tables showing the unit price clearly any more. That always makes me suspicious when they aren't totally open about charges.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 14:21:25 BDT
Damaskcat says:
I think in some cases older people are unwilling to claim things they are fully entitled to - which seems a pity to me.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 14:24:32 BDT
Damaskcat says:
Sometimes a care home has got to be better for the person concerned especially if they're stuck in a chair or bed all day with no company.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 14:24:37 BDT
Linda says:
I think you are right Damaskcat being firm and sticking to your guns pays off. My mum has gotten a little stronger now after her operations but her emphysema is getting worse so the care package will have to change eventually. At least mum has my sister and myself to fight her corner. I feel sorry for the people that are on their own.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 14:25:10 BDT
eric rambler says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 14:26:51 BDT
Damaskcat says:
Economy 10 is a tariff which you really have to dig around to find but it is beneficial to those who are at home all day because it gives three hours during the day at a cheap rate as well as five hours at night and two in the evening. Not all suppliers offer it partly because they have to change your meter.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 14:29:13 BDT
Damaskcat says:
Being on oxygen - for example - even if only for a few hours means you are assessed as needing nursing care which can be helpful.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 14:29:55 BDT
Last edited by the author on 2 Apr 2013 14:30:43 BDT
Damaskcat says:
I felt 53 seemed really low considering even carer's allowance is more than that and it is one of the lowest benefits.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 14:34:04 BDT
Linda says:
Thank you Damaskcat. The doctors have said they think she should go on oxygen but she keeps putting it off. She will have to soon, unfortunately. Her view on it is that she is two steps from her coffin but once the oxygen comes then she only has one step left : (

Posted on 2 Apr 2013 14:38:25 BDT
Ethereal says:
Some deductions from benefit are made at source, such as overpayments, loans, water and utilities in some social housing schemes etc, which might explain a low amount.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 14:38:52 BDT
Damaskcat says:
My OH has been on oxygen at night since 2005 and is still alive and kicking! She'll feel better if she goes on oxygen because her lungs won't have to work so hard.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 14:43:57 BDT
Linda says:
We keep telling telling her it would benefit her. Hopefully on her next visit to consultant she will have come round to the idea.

Posted on 2 Apr 2013 14:53:54 BDT
Tigger's Mum says:
I'm not commenting much on the 53 benefit item on the news but I did see the little word NET in front in one article I read so presumably housing benefit and any other amount was in addition to this amount. It does make a big difference.

Posted on 2 Apr 2013 15:09:04 BDT
nephran says:
Afternoon everybody....I can't see what the fuss is about with Eric cracking that joke.It made me laugh,and Eric is right, he is not qualified to advise me on how to deal with my illness,and yes I have had 2 years of pyschotherapy from the professionals.My doctor specialises in Mental Health..Osbourne said this morning that people on benefits did the wrong thing and those in work do the right thing..So apparently I did the right thing for 22 years and then did the wrong thing by being made redundant and losing 40 % of my pension..Maybe he's just upset that the tory party are putting pressure on Cameron to get rid of him..LOL!!!

Posted on 2 Apr 2013 15:17:41 BDT
nephran says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2013 15:21:32 BDT
Frenchie says:
Sorry Damaskcat, but where can I find about them? The oxygen concentrator is on 24h/7, ok, the company does give me back some of the electricity it eats, but I also use suction machines, feeding pump, hoist, lift - all of this draws electricity and my electricity bills are high.
I called EDF to know if they had a special tariff for disabled and they said no, but what they have done, is to put me on the priority list should the electricity gets cut off in the neighbourood, I would be one of the first to get it back. So they said.
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