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In reply to an earlier post on 6 Nov 2011 18:54:57 GMT
rayv says:
Yep David W Austin I have used Calibre it works very well. My download speeds are not very good and it takes about 20 mins to download the full version of say the daily mail. It has the advantage of having full colour when used on a pc

Posted on 6 Nov 2011 18:51:11 GMT
rayv says:
Hi Denis Powell. I have a computer desk with an Acer Desktop my good wife has taken that over so I purchased the SONY Vaio VPCL22S1E/B.CEK Desktop PC with 24" Monitor 8 mb ram and bluray plus 3D. I do a lot of photography including 3D and infra red plus HD video and HD stills. This Sony should be of a great help especially as my eyes are not so good now due to diabetes.

Posted on 6 Nov 2011 18:42:55 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 6 Nov 2011 18:21:27 GMT
Denis Powell says:
Rayv, i haven't used a desktop computer in years as I don't like being confined to one place when I need to do something, and some Laptop/Portable computers have very high specs these days and do most things very well.

I regularly have a wander around John Lewis in Cardiff to look at the latest 'puters and tablets. I don't know why I dislike the iPad but I just do. The 'wedge' shape of the Sony S makes it a delight to hold, although the screen seems just a little dark to me, but I could be wrong. Sony are bringing out a 3G version at some time so I'm waiting to see what sort of 'contract' that will require. I'd only be interested if it were "Pay as you Go" as I can use BT Openzone in many places and that's perfectly adequate for me. Oddly enough, it's a stronger signal than wifi in some rooms of my house. That's the penalty I pay for having stone walls a yard thick!

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Nov 2011 17:59:35 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Nov 2011 18:01:15 GMT
rayv says:
Denis Powell Im glad to meet you, its kinda nice to know there are some older folk on here. I will let you into a secret Denis I have just bought a Sony all in one its the latest one (cant stand all the damn cables with an ordinary Pc anymore) I have an Acer notebook about a 10 inch screen nice but small for every day use

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Nov 2011 17:46:44 GMT
Denis Powell says:
Rayv, I'm nearly as old as you! I don't "know" what the situation is with regards to either the Fire or the Kindle Touch, but I'm following the discussion out of curiosity. I don't need any of them although I want to replace my failing Netbook and a Tablet seems a suitable, if expensive, alternative. The Fire doesn't appear to have enough "tablet" funcionality for me so I'm waiting until I know more, but in the meantime am looking at either a Sony or a Toshiba Thrive.

I suppose some day I may need to replace my KK3G with a 3GTouch, but it's quite likely that there'll be another model by that time.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Nov 2011 16:38:53 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Nov 2011 16:39:08 GMT
Garscadden says:
When did Amazon release a statement? I must have missed it.

It just seems really quite straightforward:

- some of services the Fire relies on are just not available here (video streaming you'd expect to become available on Android quite soon, seeing as Amazon owns LoveFilm - but who knows how far along they are technically with a secure android client. Music streaming seems the big hang up at the moment)

- with new electronics there is always limited availability, the US is a far bigger market, and the home market, so they get them first - which is perfectly normal behaviour

- the Fire is likely just a spoiler to B&N's Nook Color - seeing as that is not available outside of North America, no need to release the rush job Kindle outside of North America

Any others I've missed? Personally I think the Silk browser security stuff is just a lot of hot air - browsers on Mobiles have been doing this for years (not all of them, but Opera mini, which was the browser of choice on mobiles over GPRS did this, which was why it was so cool). Arguments about data protection are valid - but they aren't new. When you agreed to Amazon's T&C's I suspect you agreed for your data to travel to the US. (Maybe not - I really can't be bothered to go check right now, but considering I cam use my UK account to buy stuff from the US site, this seems likely)

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Nov 2011 16:28:21 GMT
rayv says:
I must admit I find it some what confusing. The info I gained from a statement issued by Amazon allegedly. I found the whole thing rather at odds and ends with it self. I will not be holding my breath for a fire and at the age of 70 no longer care if they release them in the uk or not. Just another thing to charge up carry around lose on the train, until the next chunk of plastic with buttons on comes on stream for us to beg release dates for. No not any more, BUT! have you seen the ads for the kindlethingamyjig with knobs on! must have one whens the release date.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Nov 2011 16:05:29 GMT
Denis Powell says:
Rayv, if you're right about the Data Protection issue wouldn't Amazon be breaking the law now by storing on the Cloud the Personal Documents we send to our Kindles?

If it was an issue in the past, perhaps it's no longer one?

Posted on 6 Nov 2011 14:08:52 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Nov 2011 14:10:08 GMT
rayv says:
Gosh! cant it do those things. I really hoped it could and where's father Christmas and the tooth fairy hiding. Makes me sick lol.

Posted on 6 Nov 2011 11:56:53 GMT
Oofy Prosser says:
It will be interesting to see how many moaning minnies start whingeing about how "the Fire is rubbish for reading books in sunlight". Or that " it can't take pictures." Or that it can't make phone calls ;)

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Nov 2011 11:40:20 GMT
DaveyH says:
"There just doesn't seem to be any interest there"

And in some case no interest here. People keep banging on about teh Fire being a 'tablet' or "iPad killer' when it's first and foremost a media streaming device and in comparison to other Android based tablets would appear to be somewhat hobbled.

I can imagine many people buying one and then complaining about what it can't do - much like they do (or did, it seems to have died down somewhat) about the Kindle.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Nov 2011 10:12:51 GMT
rayv says:
This is exactly what I couldn't understand.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Nov 2011 10:00:36 GMT
Garscadden says:
Which is why we don't have the opera browser here, or Amazon personal docs, or Dropbox, or MobileMe/iCloud et cetera.

Oh, we do...

Posted on 6 Nov 2011 09:47:05 GMT
rayv says:
UK customers will no doubt be disappointed, looking forward to the streaming services and advanced models - a market which has yet to break away from the traditional computer into the tablet space. While iPad sales are doing well, compared to other European markets and the United States, the UK is still behind.

Update: In reflection, it may be due to U.S. cloud and legal concerns regarding the Silk browser, as documented by colleague Steven J. Vaughan-Nicols. In short, the tablets cannot be sold in the European market because the cloud-based browser would be in breach of European data protection laws. Though data would reside in an EU-based datacenter, because Amazon is a U.S. headquartered company, the data would still be vulnerable to U.S. law.

Posted on 5 Nov 2011 13:37:03 GMT
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Posted on 5 Nov 2011 13:35:38 GMT
rayv says:
New Amazon Kindle Fire to be 8.9-inch?
the article state that Amazon will launch a follow up to the Amazon Kindle Fire early in 2012. One possibly packing an Nvidia Tegra chip it also says they maybe producing three new Amazon tablets in 2012 with both a 9.7- and 10.1-inch model possibly following the 8.9-inch one.

Posted on 5 Nov 2011 13:03:53 GMT
Last edited by the author on 5 Nov 2011 13:05:07 GMT
Caroline P. says:
I wonder about Amazon's tactics here to be honest.

They may well have NO intention of ever releasing this Fire here. Maybe no intention of any time soon of releasing any Fires here (there are strong rumours and a few details around of larger Fires due early next year). At the moment they may have no plans of any release of anything outside the US at all.

But while it's a bit up in the air, there are people (some of whom who've posted here) who will hold back on buying anything else in the hope of a Fire. So Amazon gets to keep its options open. Whereas if they said plainly there was no prospect of a Fire for years, those people would buy other stuff. Even Google now sell films and books onto UK Android tablets - though the former are thin choice at the moment, it won't stay like that forever.

If you're wondering what to do, this is what you should consider. Amazon are an American company. Beyond the basic setting up of a store, they have consistently shown very little interest in other countries. Basic Kindle rights available in the US for over a year have never appeared here. And it's worth bearing in mind the Kindle keyboard and this current new "poor relation" Kindle are the only Kindles they've ever bothered making available outside the USA.

Nor can you use Amazon Apps on your tablet. No particular problem - Google will sell you the same stuff. Amazon own Lovefilm, but there are no apparent plans to leverage Amazon Prime in this country to increase their video streaming business. No worries - Netflix will be here next year too.

In other words, very very few of Amazon's innovations ever make it out of the US and that shows no sign of changing. There just doesn't seem to be any interest there.

Posted on 4 Nov 2011 21:37:47 GMT
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Posted on 4 Nov 2011 21:37:08 GMT
rayv says:
I agree ebay sellers are probably good upright dealers. I have always found Amazon to be of the highest integrity. My wife and I have spent a lot of money with Amazon never had any problems, always helpful, willing to go the extra mile to find information and no pressure selling, altogether a first rate company who get better and better. A lot of firms could well take a leaf from their book, especially customer service who to be honest we have found second to be none.

Posted on 4 Nov 2011 21:06:44 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 4 Nov 2011 15:48:24 GMT
rayv says:
No not fully they are USA units so some if not all the apps wouldn't work.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Nov 2011 15:41:45 GMT
There are some for sale on, do you think if you bought one from there it would work in the uk?

Posted on 3 Nov 2011 20:26:23 GMT
rayv says:
When it comes down to it, If it comes to the uk it comes. If it dont come so what. I cannot be arsed living waiting for the next master piece to arrive, another glossy chunk of plastic with buttons to push. I have a kindle very nice but could I have done without it, yep for sure. But Im not losing sleep or going off on one because I cant get a release date. You they will still be releasing bits of plastic when we are all dead and gone, and we wont know about them. Oh god I don't if I can live with that, Ho! I will be dead wont I so who gives a toss>

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