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Initial post: 1 Apr 2013 17:39:50 BDT
willie wit says:
Theres always one...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/welfare-minister-iain-duncan-smith-i-could-get-by-on-53-a-week-8556002.html

;o)

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 17:49:04 BDT
S. Reason says:
But he did say it....... :)

Posted on 1 Apr 2013 18:14:25 BDT
Caain says:
... and he meant it... :)

Posted on 1 Apr 2013 18:28:47 BDT
nephran says:
Applying for 6 jobs a week,so take away at least £8-40p from that total for travel.so we are looking at £45..Lucky he doesn't have to get a haircut every month.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:00:13 BDT
BeeJayTee says:
Haven't some MP's actually trialled living on benefits in a Tv doc?
Austin Mitchell comes to mind.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:08:02 BDT
TomC says:
Portillo did it once

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/reviews/3195040.stm

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:09:09 BDT
eric rambler says:
I think Portillo did it, it was a while ago. I think I could manage it, but I'd need a tv crew to keep me occupied or I would get bored and blow my weeks money on red wine.

Posted on 1 Apr 2013 21:17:40 BDT
nephran says:
Temptation is even more prevelant now,with council tax and housing benefit being payed directly to the claimant and not the council/Landlord.

Posted on 1 Apr 2013 21:19:57 BDT
S. Reason says:
I didn't know about housing benefit being paid to the claimant. What is the point of the council giving it to the claimant only to issue a bill to ask for it back?

Housing benefit has been paid to the claimant directly for years though, but only if private landlord, not if you are a council tenant.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:23:55 BDT
BeeJayTee

That American presenter Morgan Spurling (or something like that) did a series on American TV on the theme of "30 days at something". Living on minimum benefit was one of them.He didn't like it much.
IDS may very well have managed for a week on £53 if all he had to do was buy food. Not much variety but one could sustain life on it. However, during the first week one couldn't pay bills and then in the second and subsequent weeks, more and more bills will squeeze the finances even further. At the very least one's quality of life would be severely compromised.
I'm always grateful when an affluent member of the chattering classes reminds me that I can live on fresh air. Another glass of claret, Mr IDS? The offensive thing about these statements is the implicit assumption that people would actually want to live in such poverty when the means existed to escape it.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:25:02 BDT
nephran says:
Governmant changed the rules..I can see this whole sysyem costing more than the last one until the private sector creates 2+ million new full time jobs every year.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:30:06 BDT
nephran says:
I'm sure all those people who lost thier jobs in the downturn are scroungers as well.Isn't losing your job enough of a price to pay,yet alone paying again with benefit cuts..I wonder how many of those in part-time or low paid jobs will have to move onto full time benefits now as well.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:32:06 BDT
S. Reason says:
Agreed.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:35:41 BDT
nephran says:
Apparently another 10 billion of cuts have got to be found now as well...And if our credit rating gets downgraded again,who's gonna bore the brunt of that..

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:38:49 BDT
S. Reason says:
I just cannot see why they think its a good idea to give the council tax benefit, which is paid by the council, to the claimant, for them only to have to send it back to the council to pay the council tax. Surely it costs money to process all this. It's just stupid.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:42:06 BDT
nephran says:
It's no longer payed by the council,S.The government pays it now.

Posted on 1 Apr 2013 21:42:21 BDT
honeybunny says:
I wonder if we're moving more towards the New Right welfare model of America? Cutting benefits because they act as' perverse incentives', working for benefits, food stamps instead of money. Anyone, at a push, can live on 50 quid for one week, but not week in week out, sometimes for years, through no fault of their own.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:42:33 BDT
Last edited by the author on 1 Apr 2013 21:42:59 BDT
eric rambler says:
I think the idea is that it gives the individual the opportunity to manage their own affairs, and that showing them respect in this way will let them have self respect and help them to be responsible for their own affairs. I think all that is pretty good, but of course it doesn't work if they really aren't given enough to manage on, or the help and support that they might need.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:47:02 BDT
honeybunny says:
Thats the thing tho eric, I don't think people are given enough live on. I know what I would do if money was tight and there was 'extra money' in the form of housing benefit. Choice of food or shoes for my kids or fat cat landlord? No contest;-)

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:48:30 BDT
nephran says:
How many drug addicts,mentally ill and alcoholics are capable of handling thier own affairs, Eric.Whose gonna foot the bill for clearing up the awful mess this is gonna cause..It was the disability benefit they needed to get to grips with,and they have.900,000 not bothered to claim the benefit that's replaceing it..

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:50:27 BDT
Last edited by the author on 1 Apr 2013 21:58:15 BDT
Caain says:
S. Reason, yes, housing benefit will henceforth be paid directly to the claimant(s) some people will be honest and duly in return pay their rent (plus, when applied the bedroom tax) Others won't, can't be bovvered, don't care for they will have money in their account to spend as they wish. Sadly, it will accumulate in more rent arrears and involve even more debts hence, costing more re attempting to recuperate the latent unpaid rents... et al ..
Time will tell...
Regards,
Caain

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:51:39 BDT
nephran says:
I have no problem with people working for benefits..Doing 16 hours per week isn't too much to ask,HB.The social fund as gone now as well..

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:51:44 BDT
eric rambler says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:55:37 BDT
honeybunny says:
It makes you wonder two things, the Gov truly don't know or understand the problem, or they are setting the system up to fail. Creating more scapegoats for society to blame, which has always been a tory agenda. Remember the tories and their welfare policies of the 80's? Particularly towards single parents?

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Apr 2013 21:57:00 BDT
nephran says:
Addiction is the word you're looking for Eric,Depression is a life changing illness and is not to be taken lightly..People with depression do not think like you've just described..Left to thier own devices,depressives will just lay down and slowly starve themselves,or spend all thier money on junk food that they think makes them fill better..They don't care about being trusted.
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