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Paperwhite 2: Cloud and On Device tabs

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In reply to an earlier post on 31 Dec 2013 12:49:46 GMT
Being in your own book shop and having a good browse is great but...liking an idea that I can do something against how often do I actually do it usually presents a disappointing reality.
Having lots of books books on device maybe could be put into an on device collection? Which may, or not, help.

In reply to an earlier post on 31 Dec 2013 12:44:53 GMT
Last edited by the author on 31 Dec 2013 12:47:11 GMT
K. A. Newton says:
If you still have your e-reader - keep it. It will serve you well in bright sunlight for reading on those days next to the pool which the Kindle Fire will not.

I had a 16GB Kindle Fire and it got full so quickly with other things I was forever deleting e-books and apps to make room for others. I now have KIndle Fire HD 7" and 8.9" previous generations that have 32MB. I keep about 20 to 50 books on them now.

You can use then the collections on your e-reader to find the titles of books then you can do a search on the Kindle Fire for the correct title. For instance I did a search on my Kindle Fire for one of two cookery books by the Hairy Bikers that are in my cloud. Could not remember the exact titles. I just entered "Hairy" and up they popped. I touched one and I was prompted to connect by WiFi which I did and the book downloaded in a couple of minutes.

Now I could have spent time going down the list of books in my cloud through titles looking for a title I was not 100% sure of or going through Authors to the "Ha's" but it was much easier to touch the magnifying glass symbol and enter Hairy.

It is so quick to download the books on the Kindle Fires that it really isn't worth filling them up with lots and lot of e-books. Granted going on holiday you might want more on it then.

If you are holidaying in the UK then you can just go to a free WiFi place and connect to WiFi and just click on the books you want to download and they will while you are sat in McDonalds, Costa Coffee or somewhere. (Take your mobile phone in with you).

If you are abroad you could do the same but remember the bright sunlight can cause reflection that makes reading very difficult. Like the screen of a cash machine outside in the sunlight. Just make sure your e-reader has all the books you want downloaded already.

In reply to an earlier post on 31 Dec 2013 10:28:41 GMT
Denis Powell says:
If you want a "fair number" of books on the device there's nothing stopping you. Those who want all their books on the device and in Collections still have that facility. In that respect, nothing has changed but one of the advantages of the new system, as I see it, is the fact that you can now manage your Collections both on and off the device. Those of us who have more books than can be stored on any device can still have all of them in Collections at all times, and not only when they're loaded on the device.

You can simply ignore the Cloud tab. You don't have to "switch" the view constantly. You can work just with the books on the Device using the Device tab, just as you did before. I love the fact that if I open a Collection in the Device tab I can not only see the books that are on the device but also those that I have in the Cloud but which are still appropriate to the Collection.

I like to read some books more than once. I have those in a "Read Again" Collection. There are over 800 of them altogether. If I had to keep all of them on my Paperwhite I'd be getting close to the maximum number of books I could have on it without causing it to slow down. Far better, again in my opinion, to only have, say, 100 of them on the device but still be able to see all the others.

Perhaps I'm just looking at all the good points, which I am, because I really like the new system.

In reply to an earlier post on 31 Dec 2013 09:47:18 GMT
Last edited by the author on 31 Dec 2013 09:52:41 GMT
Berzelius says:
I take the point about working on he Cloud but there are reasons for having a fair number of books on the device.

One of the great delights of eReaders is being able, anywhere and at any time of day or night, to immediately, and simply on a whim, start reading a different book, or just browsing through books. As a keen, long-time book reader this is sheer magic. To guarantee this facility means having a fair number of books on the device, which almost certainly means using collections.

We users of such a facility are probably in a minority, but surely not an insignificant minority. It would have been nice if Amazon had not crippled its operating system by disabling the actions of the Cloud and On Device tabs in the Collections view.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Dec 2013 22:43:11 GMT
Denis Powell says:
With Cloud Collections, you can maintain the Collections almost entirely in the Cloud tab, only keeping a very few books on the device. As your library grows to the situation where you have more ebooks than can be stored on any device the value of Cloud Collections becomes clear. You don't have to keep switching view.

Under the old system you had to download all your books to the device for them to appear in Collections. Now you don't have to do that, which is a great boon when you get a new device. Imagine when you get the next Paperwhite. You just turn it on and without downloading any ebooks at all you can see all your books in their appropriate collections and just download the ones you want to read in the near future.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Dec 2013 22:29:19 GMT
I have created other collections to help with that. I have a Xmas collection which has 15 books which had all books downloaded into it and remove from device when read (and also moved from not read to read top level collections)
A reading now, for example, collection can be created with a manageable number of books in it - just add and remove books as and when you want to.
I decided to re-read the Discworld books (40 odd books) With the full list of what I have I can see at a glance which ones I need to buy, aka waiting for price drops, which ones I've read, which characters are involved (witches, city watch) and any other way I want to look at things without having to permanently have them downloaded on the device.

You'll find that you'll be rearranging a few collections to take advantage of the new full listings of what's in your collections.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Dec 2013 21:56:56 GMT
Berzelius says:
Yes, I see this now - following Chris' post I tried Titles which behaved as you mentioned for Recent. However, I'd really have preferred to carry on as I could with my Kindle 4 and work exclusively with Collections without needing the hassle of constantly having to switch the view. However, it seems like this won't be possible.

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Posted on 30 Dec 2013 21:50:42 GMT
Berzelius says:
Yes, that is what I expected, but this only seems to work if you are in the Titles mode. I've just checked and, as you say, there are many more books listed on Cloud (224) than On Device (64). However, I am a dedicated Collections person - it's the only way to work with any more than a small number of books. With Collections, Cloud and On Device are exactly the same, both showing all books, those On Device bold and those on Cloud light grey.

I'm guessing that Amazon are wanting me to have most books on the Cloud and only a very small number on Device, small enough that I wouldn't need Collections, just my memory. But if I want to browse on the Cloud I really am going to have to switch back to Collections to make searching easier.

Is there some way of making Collections only display those books On Device?

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Dec 2013 21:37:22 GMT
You are looking at a collection which contains all your books so both tabs will look the same.
Switch view from collections to, say, recent and you will only see books that are downloaded in device view.

Posted on 30 Dec 2013 21:14:20 GMT
ChrisJ says:
The Cloud lists ALL the books in your account at Amazon. This could be 1,000's.
The Device tab lists the books on the device. This should be no more than 10's or 100's.
You can have many devices and apps connected to the one account. Each device can have different books on it.

Initial post: 30 Dec 2013 20:58:40 GMT
Berzelius says:
I've now got most of the details of my new Paperwhite worked out but one thing I can't fathom is what exactly is the difference between using the Cloud tab and using the On Device tab: I can't see any. The appearance of the books list is the same in both and you can download and remove books using either. What is it that I am missing?
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