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Initial post: 7 Jul 2009 23:13:33 BDT
mjbulmer says:
which albums did you buy after reading fantastic reviews only to hate it with a vengeance when you heard it?

Posted on 8 Jul 2009 07:24:32 BDT
Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis. Found it terribly boring. I was annoyed because I generally like early Miles!

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jul 2009 07:28:53 BDT
mjbulmer says:
surprising one felicia--its a much-loved album--but not for you! i bought the big albert ayler boxset--ooops--too hard for me!!

Posted on 2 Oct 2009 11:54:24 BDT
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Posted on 2 Oct 2009 14:14:46 BDT
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Jowcol says:
Pot & Kettle Mr Whitaker?

Posted on 3 Oct 2009 18:30:28 BDT
I love Kind Of Blue, but I can understand the opinion as over time it has gathered such a place in the critical review, that for many people it's like Citizen Kane - widely regarded as THE BEST, so much so that for many people it simply can't be.

Posted on 8 Oct 2009 14:42:02 BDT
T. Farmer says:
Not Jazz as such but the late 80's record Roundtrip by Eric Merenthial...

Looking for that classic 80's overproduced, horrifically programmed, Jazz funk and hoping to get it from John Patittuci producing and writing, but oh no...

Weak weak weak... the playing is great, but with this music one should go all the way, not waiver on trying to make it what its not.

Posted on 8 Oct 2009 15:45:13 BDT
T. Franklin says:
I had a hard time with "New York City Eye And Ear Control" by Albert Ayler. Will need to give it another spin sometime.

Peter Brotzman's "Machine Gun" is pretty 'out there' also. I find a need to suspend critical faculties to avoid bursting out laughing at some points. Other parts I really like though.

Posted on 10 Oct 2009 11:09:15 BDT
zargb5 says:
For some reason i find the miles classic quintet sessions less than rewarding (Carter/williams/hancock/shorter) I''ve bought them and still hang on to them in the hope i will grow to loke them more. Maybe its a case of they sounded more "new" at the time (which is now 45 years ago) Love lots of miles stuff especially the prestige stuff and some of the electric. I was always a bit more into the ornette and coltrane thing to be honest, Ayler is right up my street.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Oct 2009 13:23:03 BDT
SM Whitaker: When I see a question I can answer from my experience, I'll give an honest answer. If it flies in the face of what anyone else thinks, well that's just fine. That's kinda what these forums are about, actually...

So yes, 'Kind of Blue' bored me, but I love Miles's version of 'It Never Entered My Mind'. Just exquisite. Over to you Stephen...

Posted on 6 Nov 2009 19:51:21 GMT
Jon says:
Not emperor's new clothes as it's not bad music, but Birth of the Cool does absolutely nothing for me.

Posted on 9 Nov 2009 00:32:22 GMT
B. Palmer says:
"Moanin" by Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers. I like Blakey but I'm baffled as to why this particular album always seems to get mentioned in "best ever" jazz lists. It's nowhere near his best album and I suspect people vote for it because they've vaguely heard of the title track.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Nov 2009 20:28:30 GMT
Jazzer says:
I think the reason is that Bobby Timmons is one of the funkiest piano players ever and he gives the whole rhythm section a lift, and Lee Morgan is at the top of his game on Moanin' - take a listen to his solo on "Whisper Not" - it's got to be one of the best trumpet solos ever recorded - still sounds fresh 50 or so years later. I haven't heard the album for about 10 years , but I still get shivers down my spine just thinking about Lee's solo!

Posted on 30 Jul 2012 01:24:29 BDT
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mancheeros says:
Interesting to see how many times Miles Davis's name is cropping up here. Maybe there's some Miles-fatigue setting in. Even people who know nothing about jazz seem to have heard of Miles Davis and maybe Miles has been overhyped over the years. He's become this byword for cool, hipster jazz, and if you only have one jazz album in your collection then it had better be a Miles Davis album because that shows you have good taste in jazz. In other words, Miles Davis is jazz for those who know nothing about jazz as well as for those who do know something about jazz. I can't think of any other jazz musician who that can be said of.

While I respect Miles's contribution to the history and development of jazz I have to confess his playing does not fire my imagination. I listen much more to Freddie Hubbard than Miles, and of the post-Miles generation of non-American trumpet players I much prefer Manfred Schoof and Kenny Wheeler to Miles. Schoof and Wheeler have a greater emotional range to their playing than Miles and are comfortable moving seamlessly from the melodic to the abstract. I'm not suggesting for one moment that Miles is the emperor's new clothes, but I think he may have been turned into this towering cultural icon at the expense of many other equally talented trumpet players and bandleaders.

Posted on 30 Jul 2012 02:51:43 BDT
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Ajarn Col says:
To carry on with the Miles Davis theme. I am a fan and will go as far to say that with all all its (seemingly) chaotic beginnings and endings, "Bitches Brew" , changed my perception of what jazz is , or rather is not when it was initially released. That is, true to its spirit, jazz is forever evolving and nobody ought try to establish walls around it. Even today 'Bitches' sounds to me as fresh and amazing as it did when I was first got lost in it. Blimey, that was something just over 40 years ago and, generally speaking, I still haven't managed - nor really tried - to find the way out.
Anyway, so obviously the cool-electric jazz and fusion era of Miles output I don't have any problem with. Some is brilliant; some (e.g. In a Silent Way ) not very much more than a smoothly interesting adventure. However, within the same electric period came the more overtly rock oriented effort , A Tribute To Jack Johnson As much as I've tried to get into it, that's the one album of Miles' which given my expectations, I remain disappointed enough to say I would never have bought should there have been any opportunity to hear it beforehand.

Posted on 8 Sep 2012 17:34:07 BDT
I loved the single 'The Birds were singing' by Sweet People,a big hit in the charets early 1980's - but the album - what a disappointment - played once,binned.Ditto the album by Althea and Donna after the amazing 'Uptown top ranking' single - what a disappointment and it included a limp re-recording of the hit song.Third choice Kind of Blue - all jazz guides gave it top billing - dull dull dull.Perhasps I'd think different hearing it on release all those years ago.

Posted on 8 Sep 2012 18:43:33 BDT
Lez Lee says:
Entirely agree about Kind of Blue. I was very disappointed and didn't bother with any more Miles. Then only this year I heard Bitches Brew and loved it. I've since been given Pangaea, Agharta and a couple of others and am completely hooked.

Posted on 9 Sep 2012 20:25:04 BDT
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RayB says:
I am ashamed to say that I hated 'Bitches Brew' when it first came out in the UK. Played it a couple of times and gave it away, don't ask why because I can't explain it.
Time and maturity however have intervened and now I enjoy it as the classic it is. Lesson learnt, if it's regarded as a classic it's not for nothing. Give it another chance, you might find it's worth it.

Posted on 16 Jan 2013 13:49:56 GMT
C. Herbert says:
Upon the Wings of Music by Jean-Luc Ponty. Fantastic review and I bought is as an (overpriced) import, it came out in the UK about a month after. Played it about half a dozen times and then suddenly grew tired of it. This was about 35 years ago... not played it since although I did come across it lurking in my vinyl collection last year.

Posted on 14 Mar 2013 09:52:31 GMT
Extrapolation, John McLaughlin's debut album. I read an encouraging review in the Penguin Guide to Jazz. Binky's Beam was singled out for special praise. Lesson learned.

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Don Juandre says:
I actually quite enjoyed 'Extrapolation' and on the strength of this was recommended Shakti - I thought I'd be safe with a 'Greatest Hits' type album... Wrong!
20 odd years later I've still not heard it all...

And, B.T.W.: Nice one, Ms Felicia! You tell him!
There is no place - or excuse - on these forums for gratuitous personal abuse.
I'd be grateful if the next posters would second me on that? Assuming they feel the same way...

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Mar 2013 09:42:12 GMT
It is pretty strange to go on a forum and state that you don't care what someone else thinks!

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Mar 2013 10:29:12 GMT
mancheeros says:
T. Franklin: Peter Brotzman's "Machine Gun" is pretty 'out there' also. I find a need to suspend critical faculties to avoid bursting out laughing at some points

I'm curious to know why you feel close to laughter when listening to this album.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Mar 2013 11:11:55 GMT
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