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Initial post: 22 Nov 2008 11:22:49 GMT
C. P. Lewis says:
Without wanting a lecture in how business works, can anyone answer/justify/share my pain as to why so many jazz cds that get listed on here come with such insane prices?

I can understand that (i) there's not a huge number of us commercially speaking, and (ii) these cds are sometimes issued in low numbers (well, Blue Note Connoisseurs are batches of 5000 or something, am I right?) to begin with, and many years ago at that. But where do these dispassionate chancers get off trying to sell a Bennie Green cd for £130 when I bought it new on here last week for £9? (It's a good session, but after that £4 Blue note sale in Fopp last July, it's ruined me for paying double figures for a cd).

Are there actually that many wealthy eccentrics who actually cough up? Did the seller misplace the decimal point when he inserted his price? Has the pound devalued that dramatically in a week? Does there price undercut some other, even cheekier, seller by 1p? Or do they read the comments made by radio station owners everytime they launch an ultimately-abortive jazz station (cough thejazz end cough). Some numbnut is wheeled out to say how much of a desired advertising demographic jazzers are (apparently we're all retired millionaires itching to buy new cars/health insurance/buy-to-let properties, or in thejazz's case, I recall their only ads were for diet coke & replacement windscreens). But that's another rant for another day.

My point? Just a rant I suppose, and a plea for a source of ethically priced old Blue note cds. Yes, there are a good few honest vendors on here, sometimes eBay comes up good too. But maybe I should direct some ire at the people who do buy £100 cds and thus perpetuate this naked greed. You fools! They'll probably RVG it again next year and it'll cost a fiver.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Nov 2008 11:43:13 GMT
Nikica Gilic says:
100 pounds is really ridiculous, but even the "moderate" prices for jazz albums are too high - the cost of a cd, box and booklet (if any) is probably around 1 pound, the jazz artists themselves are usually less expensive than the pop stars of today, the market is not large but it is secure and very little advertising is needed (you don't have to advertise BLUE NOTE company, Eric Dolphy or Louis Armstrong Hot Fives to the jazz crowd; the rest of the market wouldn't react to the adds anyway....)...
But, I'm not an expert in the field of economy anyways...

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Nov 2008 14:14:30 GMT
MC Zaptone says:
Good Question CP
I know back in '99 I saved up and took a trip to the States and I reckon by walking and talking round the streets independent stores I saved a fortune. One thing about on-line merchants they have a captive (lazy?) market and I suspect they monitor each other quite closely. Just what the factored in criteria is I would love to know. I have a sealed album (back-up!) called 'Watermelon Oranges' at the moment 3 are available new on Amazon for
£45 two weeks ago it was £199 and a US site has it new for $375 both cost me £5 each from the artist at his gig. I can only surmise that vendors take punts on what people will pay, preying on 'completists' and those who think they may miss out on a must-have item.
Not forgetting those members of the public who monitor such trends (they exist I know someone personally, although we agree to disagree on his practice) and play a small but often effective stock market.

I think the snob effect affects some Honda always beat BMW's for reliability and value but to some if it ain't £40k of bling it don't mean a thing.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Nov 2008 11:40:49 GMT
Sera69 says:
The more people want something the more people will have it available to sell. The print run on something like Girls Aloud is several hundred thousand copies, if not millions, therefore plenty of outlets have copies to sell and a price war ensues. I have no idea of the print run of the last Blue Note release but i guess if it was 200,000 you'd be picking them up for £6 to £9 brand new with plenty on here at 0.01p second hand. Unfortunately i doubt if a Blue Note release runs to even half or a quarter of that. Ergo retailers can set the price almost as high as they want, even for second hand, as well. And obviously, rarer releases and smaller labels are stuck, too. And because the market is so small demand for the copies that are available pushes up price. More exposure would increase demand and sales and lower price. But how do you get more exposure from a relatively small and sedentary fan base?

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Dec 2008 23:25:56 GMT
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zargb5 says:
A favourite whopping price cd is steve khan's "eyewitness" i 've seen it on here for £400. Also Emily Remler's 3 deleted cds "take 2" "transitions" and "catwalk" profer up crazy prices. I managed to get "take 2" on US amazon for £16 - it skipped on 2 tracks badly. I sent it tao a cd repair place in sheffield and it came back looking brand new and played perfectly , all for (£3) "eyewitness" occassionally crops up on ebay for about £40 usually much higher. I managed to download the other 2 Remler cds from a kosher download site as a free trial thing. They were lower quality than cd 192 kbps rather than 1411kbps but at least i have them now sans covers.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2008 16:35:29 GMT
WT Mitchell says:
if you think these prices are OTT try world music,look through their magazine,they rave about albums the quality of which compared to what proper Jazz musicians achieve are nothing short of pathetic,people from poor ,third world countries,who apparently can live on the price of a cd for a month if not longer,making 45 minute CDS and charging "full "price,I have bought many on the back of rave reviews,and with very few exceptions, they disappoint.so Jazz fans count yourself lucky,we get mainly good stuff for our money ..williet

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jan 2009 14:08:00 GMT
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D. Howden says:
I guess you just have to shop around, I bought a Tal Farlow box set online, had it shipped to my door and placed in my hands for just over £30 where as to have gone down to my local Music store and pick it off the shelf and drive home would have cost me over £80! I find it sad that a lot of the once local Jazz shops are all now gone, I live close to Cambridge and would often visit Garron Records or Andys, both of which had very good jazz sections and spend a good few hours thumbing through the records and CD's, you never knew what you were going to find, thats one thing you don't get with online.
Londons Jazz shops are all now gone as well it would seem with a very few exceptions here and there but when you calculate the cost of train travel to London plus the cost of the CD's compared to buying online you can see why people buy online. I wouldn't pay £100 for one CD I might add, I'm not that daft!

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jan 2009 15:20:20 GMT
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MC Zaptone says:
D. Howden
I agree with you about the scarcity of Jazz record shops but we can't have it both ways if we don't by from the existing ones they will close too, with this in mind can I recommend a fantastic service. Soul Brother Records (we are passionate about soul and jazz), is a shop in Putney, London run by 3 brothers who as the strapline says are passionate and incredible knowledgeable about jazz. For a nominal fee they will send you a full colour handbook every 6 weeks full of new soul & jazz releases with info on each and further recommendations of similar styles etc. It also includes a dozen pages of rarer material and a price guide for buying and selling. They often have imported releases that are hard to find. Their prices are reasonably competitive and delivery service brilliant, it's also a great way to shop, ring them up, tell them your likes and dislikes and they will spend time discussing stuff with you whether you go on to purchase or not. They also run their own label which specialises in compilations of new stuff and re-releasing old deleted material.

Further info: wwwsoulbrother.com

As they say use it or lose it !!!
Cheers and a happy new year.

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Sera69 says:
Don't mention that MC sent you, tho. His picture is in the window... He is to jazz shops what 'Stairway...' is to guitar shops!

Merry New January!!!!

:o)

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jan 2009 19:42:38 GMT
D. J. Harris says:
from dave harris
trawl uk seaside towns they have loads of jazz cd's from all over the world at silly prices eg c parker 99p

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jan 2009 19:42:39 GMT
D. J. Harris says:
from dave harris
trawl uk seaside towns they have loads of jazz cd's from all over the world at silly prices eg c parker 99p

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jan 2009 21:00:26 GMT
D. Howden says:
Cheers for that, I will check it out. That said I do miss the trawl through the recent releases and reissues that you would find in Cambridge and the smell of coffee that was always in the air at Garron. Still like you said you can't have it both ways these days. Wish the travel to London was cheaper though but then I guess I'd always be trawling the shops. Happy New Year

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