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Anyone know enough/be bothered to give me a few pointers in the directioon of British jazz artists of the 60/70s - Ian Carr, Don Rendell, Michael Garrick and so on...cheers !


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In reply to an earlier post on 25 Feb 2012 10:44:40 GMT
Mr Matthes - thanks for your thoughtful, informative and infectiously enthusiastic comments : the search never ends. (well I suppose it does but you know what I mean) Good wishes.

Posted on 2 Mar 2012 13:51:03 GMT
Ajarn Col says:
I realise that Mike Taylor has already been mentioned, although not the very good album Trio

Posted on 2 Mar 2012 21:40:15 GMT
Alfie Cooke says:
Essential Listening British Jazz from the 70s is probably Graham Collier and Mike westbrook for their work on developing the extended composition ((Citadel/Room 315 Darius / Midnight Blue / New Conditions).
You should also check out the avant garde free improvisation scene with SME, Face to Face 1973, Quintessence Derek Bailey Moment Precieux, Paul Rutherford Trombolenium: Solo Trombone Improvisations 1986-1995 - lots of this ilk of stuff is available on the Emanem label.

Posted on 6 Mar 2012 16:19:37 GMT
Hotlunch says:
Totally agree with the recommendations of Westbrook's Citadel/Room 315, but also from the same era check out Marching Song and Metropolis. It is worth noting that Stan Tracey did some quite interesting big band work - one I was fond of is Alice in Jazzland. Also he did all the arrangements and I seem to remember composed the material for Sonny Rollins' soundtrack for Alfie, which has its moments. I don't think his contribution was acknowledged but I was told this a long time ago by Alan Skidmore at a concert I attended. I can't remember if anybody has mentioned Extrapolation by John McLauglin, but it is a standout. I would also suggest it is worth checking out anything by Keith Tippett. An unusual piece that I like involving Tippett is Pipedream which he recorded with Mark Charig on Ogun Records. A few people have mentioned Colloseum who were a great jazz-rock band, but if you like mainstream boppish music check out Barbara Thompson's groups, many of which included her husband, John Hiseman. Also, Elton Dean's Ninesense although from a slightly later era, are a great band. Robert Wyatt's post Soft Machine excursions such as Matching Mole are at least interesting and sometimes inspired. His stuff is still worth checking out. I hope that gives you some interesting things to listen to.

Posted on 6 Mar 2012 19:12:50 GMT
Mr Cooke and Mr Parfitt and Mr Col : thanks very much for the pointers - its a big, and unfairly neglected territory...good on you for sharing your knowledge, a generous thing..thanks again.

Posted on 6 Mar 2012 19:27:18 GMT
love the John McLaughlin album from 1969 - Extrapolation

Have to admit to finding the Derek Bailey stuff a bit tricky...think I need to build up to that..I really like the solo album Barbara Thompson did - its ghosty beautiful stuff..er..its here somewhere, let me see..The Fanaid Grove oh do check it out..

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2012 10:03:16 GMT
Wernfawr says:
Hi. The leading lights of the time in my view were (saxes) Tubby Hayes, Ronnie Scott, Dick Morrissey, Joe Harriot, Tony Coe, Tommy Whittle, Joe Temperley (latterly with Wynton Marsalis) (trumpets): Ian Wheeler, Jimmy Deuchar. Britain's "Duke Ellington": pianist Stan Tracey (whose trio backed all the visiting stars from US at Ronnie's). Phil Seaman was acknowledged as Britain's best drummer. Don't neglect John Dankworth's contributions. Derek Humble in Francy Boland- Kenny Clarke band was considered one of the world's best lead alto players. Kenny Graham led his Afro-Cubists. Can I put in a word for some pre-bop stylists who were active then: Kenny Baker, Bruce Turner, Sandy Brown, Danny Moss, Brian Lemon, Roy Williams Humph (who was a kind of unofficial main spokesman for British jazz). Alex Welsh led a great dixieland band. Hope this is helpful.

Posted on 8 Mar 2012 15:49:21 GMT
thanks - theres alot of names there, the knowledge that posters (obviously excluding myself) is impressive and the enthusiasm infectious...

Posted on 10 Mar 2012 06:39:28 GMT
Alan Giles says:
Check out the Vocalion reissues from the old Argo and Deram catalogues. Deleted now on that label is a sampler called "Jazz In Britain 1968-69" (originally issued as a budget LP on the Eclipse label in 1972). This features the likes of John Surman, Tony Oxley, Alan Skidmore, all of whom were poll winners in those 2 years and went on (and still go on) to push the boundries.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Mar 2012 17:38:13 GMT
On Vocalion Dutton there's a 2 CD overview of British composition/arrangement called "Willpower" music inspired by Shakespeare, with Neil Ardley, Michael Gibbs, Stan Tracey, Norma Winstone amo, some of it very nice.
Has nobody mentioned Chris McGregor or Louis Moholo, whose "Spirits rejoice" is enough to warm you up on a cold day. Mike Osborne, a very fiery alto-player was sometimes featured with these guys, as well as other departed souls, bass players Harry Miller & Johnny Dyani.
The wonderful voice of Julie Tippetts too is well worth a listen, with husband Keith, and also with John Stevens ("Frameworks") or the SME with Bobby Bradford.

Posted on 5 Apr 2012 13:32:24 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 3 May 2012 19:51:53 BDT
Last edited by the author on 3 May 2012 19:54:10 BDT
Yep, that record Star Seeding is a beauty. I play one of the tunes from it Thula Mtwana, with my little quintet. Mseleku plays piano and tenor sax and if memory serves, also drums on it. Superb.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 May 2012 13:58:29 BDT
RobinCM says:
Has anyone mentioned Roy Budd yet? Buddism is a good compilation to get hold of (cheap on Amazon too). Buddism

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2012 16:48:44 BDT
Ajarn Col says:
"Thula Mtwana" : Wonderful and almost spiritual track off the album Mseleku overdubs tenor sax, guitar, and vocal over his piano on that track I believe.

Posted on 15 May 2012 16:59:53 BDT
Huck Flynn says:
try zzebra - jazz fusion with afro rhythms Zzebra/Panic

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2012 15:26:31 BDT
Great list, but I'd also include any of the 3 John Stevens Away albums.
N.Stanley

Posted on 16 May 2012 20:25:11 BDT
macwarrior says:
What a cracking forum question! Rambling R's list is easily the best list to do a tick list to, but others have contirbuted and it makes this post the most worthwhile Amazon search I've done in ages! Don;t even remember why I got here? Think I started off searching for Joe Walsh albums LOL. But I'm lucky enough to have a lot of the original albums that are mentioned here. Ian Carr - Belladonna - Isotope (with Gary Boyle on guitar). There's also a couple no-one's mentioned yet - Jeff Clyne's jazz rock group 'Turning Point' they've got two albums, and the highlight of those is Pepe Lemer's vocal's being used as an instrument. Another really obscure album I've got is Jade Warrior and Last Autumn's Dream. Lastly how about 'Tales of the Algonquin' by John Warren and John Surman. Got them all in me loft!

In reply to an earlier post on 18 May 2012 12:32:07 BDT
Turning Point's CDs have been re-issued and they really are worth investigating - they had a really individual twist, almost like Magma in places! The Warren/Surman is a stone classic too.

Posted on 19 May 2012 08:50:52 BDT
macwarrior says:
See, what's great about theses discussions is you pick up new things all the time! Hadn't heard of Magma. Thanks for that, MW Archer. If you want to diverge a little (down the fusion rock path), then there's Alan Gowen http://www.nndb.com/people/963/000044831/ Click the links in blue and it open up further enquiry, too.

Posted on 4 Jun 2012 17:13:37 BDT
Still alive:
Stan Tracey
John Surman
Peter King
Alan Skidmore
Henry Lowther

RIP:
Harold McNair
Tubby Hayes
Joe Harriott

These are VERY short lists.

Posted on 7 Jun 2012 03:36:17 BDT
elindio says:
dont think harry beckett got mentioned! so now he has: harry beckett! he was involved in lots of those 60s + 70s projects + hes got some of his own albums on amazon. the best1 for me is 2albums on 1cd: warm smiles + themes for fega Warm Smiles and Themes for Fega
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