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In reply to an earlier post on 6 May 2012 15:40:39 BDT
Possibly? You just accused everyone who finds horror films upsetting of being psychotic. The fact that it's not real doesn't mean it can't still be triggering for someone.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2012 12:21:34 BDT
Mr. C. Otter says:
Actually, that part of my post was a bit tongue-in-cheek, Sakura. But you obviously had a knee-jerk reaction and missed the humour (which perfectly illustrates my point about the censorious being so quick to judge). But my point still stands....kind of. You see, a film can only truly be frightening and disturbing when you suspend disbelief, thereby meaning you are in a temporary state of believing what you are seeing. But the truth is - the very real truth - is that what you are seeing in a fictional film is exactly that, fiction.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2012 22:26:11 BDT
S. Lanigan says:
"Actually that part of my post was a bit tongue in cheek" - what a p*ss-poor comeback. And as for your laughable cod philosophy about film only being frightening when you suspend disbelief, how do you explain truly unsettling documentaries about, for instance, the Cromwell Street murders? Looking at one your comments,you say Fred West "loved" Disney films...I don`t know if you know all the details, but Mr West also "loved" sadistic bondage porn videos. I guess he was being "tongue in cheek" when he watched them, because by your reckoning they couldn`t possibly have had anything to do with his actions.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 May 2012 15:35:27 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 May 2012 15:40:07 BDT
Mr. C. Otter says:
So when is a film frightening? If you know it's not real, how can it be frightening? Surely there has to be an element of belief in order to be afraid of a film?

I'm sorry you're so angry and agitated. They don't scare me because they're not real. They might depict horrific actions, but that engenders disgust, not fear. And I agree that some films fall into the 'disgusting' category. But they're still fake. Not real.

As for Fred West and the bondage videos. Which came first? Did the videos create the obsession or was the obsession already there? It's very tenuous to suggest a film can actually morally corrupt someone. Do you really believe that a fictional film can actually alter a person's moral compass? If someone is morally corrupt, I would venture to suggest that that happened way before they actually saw any 'sick' films. I cannot believe that film is powerful enough to change a person so completely.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 May 2012 17:44:43 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 May 2012 17:49:36 BDT
I'm aware you didn't necessarily mean to imply that I am censorious, but for the record, I'm not, I'm very anti-censorship, I am also someone who tends to stay away from depressing and/or violent (especially the latter, extra especially if there's gore) media works because I find them upsetting, which isn't necessarily to say they actually frighten me as such, there's a difference between being upset and being frightened. Plus, even if a film is fiction in the sense that it is not a documentary or based on a specific incident/happening, it could still depict things that could really happen, such as a film about an axe murderer or a rapist. For me I wouldn't exactly class it as disgust because I think of that as going "eew gross!", I find spitting disgusting, but it doesn't upset me anywhere near as much as seeing a film which depicts someone getting their fingers chopped off or something like that.

Furthermore, I don't think Fred West's interest in the aforementioned porn was responsible for his actions, but I do think that the argument that people who like "childish" happy media are more dangerous than people who like violent/depressing media is illogical, just as I think it's illogical to argue that liking violent/depressing media means someone is dangerous.

Posted on 20 May 2012 18:58:27 BDT
Some very interesting comments, I personally don't think any film however violent or twisted changes a person, I think Fred West's interest in sadistic fetish porn was brought on by his desire for sexual violence and fed his desires but did not create or elevate them, I wonder how he got such material though as all porn was illegal up until the late 90's (a third of it is still cut in the UK to this day) and the BBFC had a strict policy against general violence too, most "Friday the 13th" films for example were still cut to ribbons up until about a decade ago so the alleged porn tapes couldn't have contained anything graphic unless they were sold illegally, nowadays you could watch the most vile porn films ever made for free online and a crime wave or society's collapse hasn't happened since we were given a tool to bypass all censorship, I think with all thats available today at the click of a button the world would've ended had porn, violence or any other shocking material in any media form been able to corrupt sane people, the truth is the few people who commit crimes and blame some film, book, game or song just want a scapegoat instead of taking responsibility for their actions and since the government can't really protect us from violent or insane people they'd rather quickly blame and ban some film and be able to say they did something to positive than admit how complex the issues that surround violent crime are and how little could be done to prevent them continuing and the media follows blindly hoping to cash-in on the public's fear of or lack of understanding of violent media. Its a sad situation really because it creates an unnecessary dislike for people who enjoy a little gore or watch some unconventional porn, I say live and let live but the world seems to fear individuality.

Posted on 31 May 2012 23:06:38 BDT
Neill says:
Actually Anthony, society is collapsing but not over any one thing. Governments have no moral compass and as a result people look at that and think well why am I bound to some outdated morality. Look at the news more there are some extremely bad trends, kids killing and torturing each other. Parents killing their own kids, there have been a few of these recently and worse the police only taking on the easy jobs....they'll arrest people for stupid stuff but not take on gang problems. The riots last year were a sociological warning sign.

People with a violent drive seek stimulation of that sort because it excites them. And like any fetish it grows as a form of stimulation in the same way that driving becomes instinctive's the way neurons in the brain work. It always elevates them if the move goes from fantasy to real violent action. This is what happens with paraphiliacs.

But people seek to blame films or music or religion or whatever for these negative acts just as a way of rationalising it. Generally it's wrong but where somebody has a sadistic or psychopathic nature, watching some material will be extremely stimulating. I appreciate that most of you haven't worked with violent mental patients/prisoners but you do have to be extremely careful what they watch or see.

I don't really "enjoy" watching the shock genre. I've seen A Serbian Film (cut and uncut), Martyrs (bought in Sainsburys...facepalm). Irreversible, Frontiers and a couple of others.

Frontiers is probably closest to traditional horror. Martyrs was very good and it's subject is really about how cruel people will become in the pursuit of a goal or investigation. It would have been banned if the same torture scenes showed the torturers being sadistic (deriving pleasure from suffering).

I found Irreversible horrible but very well acted and directed. It's about decisions and consequences. It's excellent but it's not really horror.

I don't buy the political metaphor thing of A Serbian Film. It could be an examination of abuse between people and society's increasing journey toward instant, base, Id gratification which is a move toward animalism. It does cross some severe boundaries and has that strange relationship aspect of married pornstar and the limitations/morals they raise their children with. The director in the film is like a psycho Willy Wonka. I do agree with the cuts the BBFC insisted on. And a lot of people miss the questions it asks because of the distractions of the shock stuff. The eye socket thing really made a farce out of it.

But the most clear case of films having a negative effect was A Clockwork Orange which did inspire copycat attacks by gangs dressed as "droogs", this eventually led to Kubrick withdrawing it even though it had been on release at cinemas for months. But the responsibility of people's actions is their own, not the film's.

But have any of these films enriched my life? No. they have brought nothing good. Are they valid as art? Yes. Are they entertainment? Only if there's something wrong with you.

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 13:55:28 BDT
L. A. Prince says:
I knew a kiddie at school and he dun a plop on some newspaper after watching a film.

Posted on 10 Jun 2012 21:39:25 BDT
Georgedc says:

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jun 2012 12:20:43 BDT
Last edited by the author on 12 Jun 2012 07:53:52 BDT
"If it scares you or upsets you, then you clearly have a problem differentiating between fact and fantasy, something only psychotiocs do"

So anyone who watches a horror film and gets scared by it is psychotic ?? Sorry, but I thought the main point of horror was to scare ... o.O
edit - and I think that if someone can watch anything and not be remotely affected by any of it; that's more of a negative about their mental state than actually being frightened (not that I go down the line of thinking that you are what you watch lol - that's like Christian radicals; it's all from SATAN !!!)

"Fred West, on the other hand, loved Disney films. I guess Disney films corrupted him, huh? Bad Disney."

Didn't Hitler like Disney too ? (or is that another case of internet BS)

Posted on 11 Jun 2012 14:43:16 BDT
Neill says:
The best films at least make you jump. The rush is deliberately allowing yourself to be drawn in to experience the fear.

A good trick is: Watch Exorcist on a New moon so it finishes around 1am then turn off ALL the lights and walk upstairs with no light...god forbid that anybody walks out on you as you will freak out. Your primal instincts are alive in the dark.

BTW Psychosis is the point where symptoms render the sufferer unable to function as a normal person, they don't have to be out of touch with reality.

Emersing onseself hallucinations, fantasies and delusions is charaterstic of schizoid behaviour, google this and you'll learn a lot.

Schizoid does not describe a mental illness, it describes characteristics of people who like to occupy their internal world probably more that the world around them, this can include philosophers, inventors, artists, mystics etc.

People like being scared and surviving which is why we go on rollercoasters.

The people who resist feeling fear are the cowards, you'll find them talking through horror films to stop themselves getting scared.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jun 2012 18:48:30 BDT
madlinny says:
I actually do watch horror films in the dark, then don't bother to turn on any lights when I go to bed, I love that feeling of what if someones behind me as I walk up the stairs.

Posted on 14 Jun 2012 22:04:40 BDT
Neill says:
I know, it's a rush....and then the insane fear that something will be there when you turn on the light.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jun 2012 09:27:45 BDT
Mr. G. Lee says:
I agree to an extent, I'm no longer as happy as I once was with the authors you mention, perhaps they feel the pressure to outshock the reader from thier publishers or the public, or maybe you and I have just grown out of this kind of...stuff?
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