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Initial post: 29 Dec 2011 02:24:51 GMT
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Posted on 29 Dec 2011 02:40:22 GMT
Lee says:
Re-animator 2 I remember as being good.Watched it recently though,and it was garbage.

Posted on 29 Dec 2011 13:44:59 GMT
Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2. Someone thought it would be a great idea to take out everything that made the original grerat and to transform it in to an odd unfunny horror comedy with a horny idiotic/sensitive Leatherface.
Speaking of Leatherface, the third Texas Chainsaw Massacre film is actually not too bad (providing you watch the uncut version, as the cut version is awful). Still it's not a patch on the original and best film.

Thinking about it, the Exorcist suffered a similar fate in that the first film was amazing, the second was a pointless re-tread of the first, minus everything that made the first film great and the third film went and broke the cycle by actually being a decent stand alone film.

Zombie Flesh Eaters was another great film that had two truly awful sequels with ninja zombies that could run when they wanted to and use weapons or hang from ceilings, etc.

Posted on 29 Dec 2011 13:57:56 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Dec 2011 14:04:08 GMT
Exactly, Zombie Flesh Eaters is an amazing film and the sequels bear no similarity to the first film. The second film is the result of a leaked canister containing a virus, so it has nothing to do with Voodoo and the traditional roots of the zombie myth like the first film does. The make-up is awful in the second film, plus some of the zombies can talk!

Psycho is an interesting series of films, as the first is a masterpiece, I personally disliked the second, but didn't mind the third and fourth films. All in an interesting series because it remains consistent with Anthony Perkins reprising the Norman Bates role, but none of the sequels can match the first in any shape, way or form.

A film series I did think continued a high standard with the sequel was the Amityville Horror. I thought the second film was decent, but beyond that the standard started to slide.

Posted on 29 Dec 2011 14:37:34 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Dec 2011 18:36:14 GMT
I really like the Psycho sequels as I grew up watching them but to be fair they don't compete with the original... the remake was just plain abysmal!

Zombie Flesh Eaters 2 was pretty bad, it hurts all the more because the first is an all time favourite of mine.

Return of the Living Dead is among the best horror comedies of all time, I liked two as it was quite close to the first and was enjoyable enough and I could tolerate the third but as most people say four and five are an insult beyond insults, and to think I was so excited when I heard about them.

I don't like any of the sequels or remakes to The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, I know a few are okay but I always find myself comparing them to the original and in that respect they don't measure up very well.

Land of the Dead and Survival of the Dead were terrible, I can't believe that was Romero's work, oddly enough I did like Diary of the Dead which is trashed as often as the other two.

Probably the most disappointing sequel ever though (and I'm surprised this hasn't come up) is Mother of Tears, I know Inferno was a fair dip in quality from Suspiria but it was still decent enough, this trainwreck was so much worse its only distinguishable as an Argento by his trademark casting of Asia, I know partial blame falls on leaving the script to the idiots who wrote the Toolbox Murders remake but still.... what the hell was he thinking, no seriously I'd really like to know!

Posted on 29 Dec 2011 19:05:33 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Dec 2011 19:21:32 GMT
I'm sorry to say but I don't think Argento's going to make the big comeback everyone keeps hoping for, he's been off his game since the mid-80's and whilst many of his lesser films aren't terrible I haven't seen him at his peek since Sleepless and before that his last true masterpiece was Tenebrae, odds are really stacked against him.

Still with Italian masters of horror round the corner Martino, Lenzi and Bava Jr get a chance to resurrect the Italian horror legacy and with any luck Soavi and Deodato will sign up too.

Getting back to your original post Creepshow 3 is terrible, you should watch the special feature in which the egomaniacal director (who also did the rubbish Day of the Dead 2) boasts how he thinks his turd has vastly beaten the first two films, if nothing else its pretty funny!

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Dec 2011 20:01:34 GMT
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Posted on 30 Dec 2011 13:45:54 GMT
I am still relatively new to the films of Argento, but I seriously doubt he will ever be able to exceed the magnificence of Suspiria. Having got that DVD for Christmas it was the first time I had ever seen it and it definitely lived up to all expectations.
I was contemplating ordering Mother of Tears, but if it totally blows I think I will give it a miss. I did however invest in the Neo Giallo collection - as £7.99 on here for 4 Arrow films is a bargain!
Although I am new to the films of Argento, I am familiar with other Italian horror flicks such as most of the films by Fulci, Bava Jr, Soavi, etc. I think part of the reason there is such a resurgence in appreciation for the older Italian horror films is down to the fact that most modern horror films are rubbish. At least the films of Fulci, et al, has imagination by the bucketload and amazing special fx even if some of the acting and dubbing is a little bit dodgy, the sheer quality of the surreal nightmares of films like The Beyond is hard to beat.

Back to the main topic of sequels, I completely forgot about Return of the Living Dead parts 1-3 (I have not seen, nor do I wish to see parts 4 and 5). They are class. Even my friends who loathe horror films were thoroughly entertainted by RotLD part 1, especially when the zombies pounce on the paramedics and police.

Posted on 30 Dec 2011 17:07:00 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 30 Dec 2011 21:20:39 GMT
I really think some of the other Italian masters have at least a chance to revive the glory days but on the other hand the film world has changed so much in 30 odd years and even if they're still on the ball that factor is bound to affect the quality of the films, still I'm intruiged to see the result and you can bet I'll be among the first to see the series.

I think the Creepshow 3 guy is just an @r$ehole who has no idea what he's doing and is trying to psych everyone up by announcing himself better than Stephen King and George Romero combined, hopefully no-one took him seriously, he owes me a tenner for the waste of a disc I bought and would've owed me a new pair of boxers had I laughed any harder at his boasting and wet myself.

I never knew there was a Birds 2 but based on your words am all to happy to never find out just how bad it is.

Glad you're liking the Shameless gialli especially The Strange Vice of Mrs Wardh which is now my favourite of the genre.

Man of the Third Eye you probably should just skip Mother of Tears unless like myself you're intending to see all of Argento's films. Happy to hear such high praise for The Beyond as its my favourite film, god I wish someone would release a perfect version of it, alas it seems its not to be. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said people look so frequently to older films because modern films are generally rubbish, they've no imagination, too much CGI and generally feel like systematically produced products, I think there was something special happening between 1960 and 1982 where producers didn't care what was being made too much and directors were given fair amounts of money which they stretched to the limit to do whatever they wanted, so long as it could be marketed they were pretty much left to it and that mix of guerrilla film-making with a sense of professionalism made for some of the best films, it was a golden age for film that I daresay might never come again.

In reply to an earlier post on 31 Dec 2011 00:04:28 GMT
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Posted on 31 Dec 2011 02:55:10 GMT
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Glad to hear the excellent Dellamorte Dellamore is being released in the UK at last. I had to resort previously to watching it on You Tube, which was rather sad, but didn't ruin the film, as I still enjoyed it.
I remember hearing that the Vipco DVD release of Birds of Prey was a sequel as well to The Birds. I had heard of The Birds 2, but I have yet to get round to seeing it and doubt I will bother.

I can't comment on Creepshow 3, but for a little known film maker to state his film is superior to the modern Godfather of horror writers and one of the people who re-invented the whole zombie genre is a boast that I doubt any modern film maker could make.
I own Creepshow and Creepshow 2 (got the 2nd film in Poundland!) and I think they really do speak for themselves.

I agree about Night, Dawn and Day being great films and I was disappointed in Land of the Dead. I dislike 'intelligent' zombies and I found the last 5 minutes cringeworthy with Big Daddy leading the zombies to their utopia. I just felt it was a let down, but certainly better than some films I have seen. At least Romero stuck to slow moving zombies for that film though (off the record I'm not a fan of the running zombies).

As for The Beyond, it is easily one of the greatest horror films of all time and I don't think it has yet to be fully appreciated. I was gutted when I took the DVD round to my friends and they laughed at it due to the dubbing, etc. Perhaps I had hyped it up too much. They did the same with a decent action drama film from Walter Hill called Southern Comfort. Again a film I think is very atmospheric and tense. Some people just don't seem to appreciate atmospheric films. But then my friend highly rates the A-Team remake and the Hangover films (which I didn't find particularly funny, but then perhaps that is because I have never had a hangover, being tee-total an' all). Anyway, I digress.

Posted on 31 Dec 2011 05:09:44 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 31 Dec 2011 15:53:43 GMT
Actually the running zombies were around in the 80's, the Italian film Nightmare City started the trend and I liked that a lot more than 28 Days Later, its kinda mindless but it never slows down or gets boring, then came Primal Rage, in it people are infected by a disease that turns them into running zombies by an experimental monkey accidentally released from a test lab.... sound familiar, the film has its moments and for fans of low budget Italian horror should at least be watched once.

I get really annoyed at how people have no appreciation for films like The Beyond or My Bloody Valentine then happily sit through mindless fodder like Transformers, The A-Team remake or The Hangover, it seems the gap between cult cinema and the mainstream has grown so much since the 80's, to the extent that the two don't even understand each other anymore, I think the issue is that almost everything in a modern mainstream film is done with MTV cuts, way too much make-up and CGI and has that slick overly perfect look to it that I hate so much, I mean even in horrors when someone's covered in blood they somehow don't look messy, at worst they look fashionably blood-drenched, I suppose seeing only these films its no surprise people have trouble adjusting to anything outside of the studio system and although I'm liable to be called paranoid I feel hollywood has been making these films increasingly fast, mindless and slick to build up a subconsious intolerance to non-studio film, make of that theory what you will.

I'm glad Dellamorte Dellamore is getting a UK release, about time really but if I buy the film again it'll be the German 3 disc version with the DVD, Blu-Ray and CD soundtrack, I must admit I'm very excited about the Shameless release of Four Flies on Grey Velvet though, my old copy is practically VHS quality so an HD transfer is really something to be excited about.

I seldom watch films with friends, I always fear disappointing them with my supposedly odd tastes and can't stand the junk many of them stick on, I have people I feel comfortable to watch films with... two in total! Granted I'm a tad anti-social but the figure is still uncomfortably low.

Whilst I'm rambling on and on about cult film anyway has anyone found a woman into these types of films? I'm not trying to be sexist, just curious if its almost exclusively a man-thing, I think I've only ever seen one posting here on the forum in the three or four years I've been here and none in real life.

In reply to an earlier post on 31 Dec 2011 17:40:34 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jan 2012 00:02:56 GMT
28 Days Later did indeed start the current trend of running zombies, my original point was simply that it wasn't at all original, its pretty much 1989's Primal Rage for the modern masses if you ask me and I get so annoyed when people get dismissive of how these so called original films made lately are rip-offs of various cult films.

I'm lucky where friends are concerned as my own brother has very similar tastes to me so we can enjoy a wide range of films and have great conversations about them, infact lately he's been showing me several cool obscurities which feels weird as I'm the older brother and always sort of took the lead before in terms of finding rare films, nice not to have to do all of the research side of things anymore but I worry I risk becoming lazy if I lose momentum on my own pursuits.

I really wish there were more women out there watching similar films to me, as it stands I imagine a first date involving my DVD of Cannibal Holocaust or Anthropophagus would not go down too well, I guess musicals and romance are the stereotypical womens films and to be honest I've little patience for either so maybe a compromise is in order..... Poultrygeist perhaps!?! Incidentally I find many gangster films and all that macho American action stuff boring as hell and thats supposedly what guys are into so I don't exactly fit the mold, I do really like giallo, euro-crime films, spaghetti westerns and samurai films though and they're all considered quite man-orientated genre's.

I think you're right about low budget or foriegn films, people aren't interested enough in them for them to make substantial profit, in the 80's it seemed people didn't care as much what was popular, one month I Spit on Your Grave made top video sales whilst Carpenter's The Thing beat E.T, it was a time where you could find a bit of everything (or so I'm told by so many people, wasn't very old back then), these days most people just buy from the short list of new chart-toppers without thinking too much and the whole adventure of seeking out your own films seem limited to picking favourites out of what little the studios sell with only a fraction of us breaking the mold and trying to find something different.

Oh and just noticed it just turned new year so happy new year one and all!

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Posted on 1 Jan 2012 20:54:44 GMT
A very valid point is people avoiding films due to subtitles. They miss out on some real masterpieces of cinema by avoiding them. I tend to find that with alot of subtitled films that they really draw you in to them because they require more concentration than English language films. Also alot of the time there is far more imagination involved.
One foreign horror film I enjoyed recently was The Horde. It was well made and interesting. Whereas a recently acquired one I disliked was Dead Snow. I just found it rather boring and trying too hard to emulate other films such as Evil Dead and again, it featured running zombies.
I must try and find that Primal Rage film, as all the hooplah about 28 Days Later sounds very underserving. All I ever hear is people saying how amazing and original the start is with the deserted London, yet they fail to realise that end of the wolrd films such as any versions of Richard Matheson's I Am Legend feature just that. I actually preferred 28 Weeks Later to the first film because I felt that it had more of a zombie virus feel to it as it actually had people being bitten/partially devoured.

Speaking as a child of trhe 80's I do have a soft spot for Transformers (the original series), but I agree the film series was just a big budget CGI cash cow which was high on thrills and low on quality.

You are quite right about it being rare for a woman to be a fan of cult horror films. I am sure some must exist out there. I did manage to get all my ex girlfriends in to horror films (perhaps I shouldn't take that as a compliment) with my last ex girlfriend being an obsessive horror DVD collector - I bought for her Demons, Anthropophagus, Berszerker, Zombie Flesh Eaters, etc. Sadly though she was too keen on big budget film watching and we split up before I got her take on those particular films.

Thankfully my current girlfriend is now firmly interested in horror films and in fact she bought me the excellent Arrow release of Pieces as a New Year present. I did have to prompt her with the suggestion, but she's getting there.

Perhaps I break the mold a bit when it comes to films as I can safely say I like a whole range of films which does incorporate musicals (Little Shop of Horrors, Sweeney Todd) and Chick flicks (Heartbreakers, My Big Fat Greek Wedding, anything with Amy Adams, Isla Fisher or Lindsay Lohan - even if they are rubbish films) in to my watch list. Although I do admit that I do not own any chick flicks or musicals. I just sometimes watch them if there is nothing else on. Plus I break the mold by not liking football. I do also enjoy the macho type action films, thrillers, historical dramas, anime, disney animation, comedies, etc.
I am also proud of being a film geek. I always appreciate others tastes in films, but when someone mocks me for liking the Beyond, Warlock the Armageddon, Demons, etc, when they are a fan of such tripe as the Hangover, A-Team remake, Jason Mamford comedy DVDs, etc, then I have to draw the line.

Posted on 1 Jan 2012 22:52:28 GMT
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Posted on 2 Jan 2012 18:09:04 GMT
Maniac with Frodo!!!! Come on, thats just wrong, still it seems the endless remakes are unstoppable, its gotten to the stage when you look on say IMDb or some such forum and find comments under every cult title going such as "this film has such a good plot, I wish they'd remake it with a proper budget", this constant need for everything to have a couple of hundred million dollars behind it and an all star cast is ruining film and I fear we haven't seen it at its lowest yet....

I haven't been on a date in ages now that I think about it but yeah if I found a woman who loved Cannibal Holocaust I'd propose to her too, should she also be beautiful, caring and intelligent I'd probably spend the rest of my life woshipping at her feet.

As to my collection I'm proud to say I now own about 2500 films and about half are horror related, I like giallo, gothic horror, samurai films, spaghetti westerns, polizieschi, surrealist cinema, arthouse, german expressionism, german splatter, pinky violence, japanese gore films, cyberpunk, anime, slashers, nikkatsu roman porno, cannibal films, hammer/tigon/amicus, euro-zombies and pretty much everything exploitation, especially if its from Europe or Asia with Italian films being my favourites and Japanese coming a close second, I'm also thinking of getting into oldschool kung-fu but I've been so busy with other things I've largely kept putting it off. Just incase you're interested I did write a top 50 films list at some point under the top ten films topic on this forum, every year the guy who made the topic revives it and makes a bigger list so I try to write one too.

As to being true to my tastes I think its very important, I never force anyone to watch my films and never hide when I don't want to watch someone elses bad films, I try to make friends with people who at least respect me for all my quirks including my somewhat different film tastes.

Regarding the dubs and subs I think its just a fear of something that to many people feels quite alien, I must admit when I first got into Japanese films I dreaded the thought of watching them subtitled but once I'd seen a few I was surprised how easy it was to adjust, dubs were even less of a problem as I got into them quite naturally in tracking down the video nasties quite early into my film collecting days, I'm really grateful for that list as it was the curiousity to find them all that led to my appreciation of foriegn films so thank you Mary Whitehouse, the BBFC and The Daily Mail, I couldn't be who I am without your intolerance!

Incidentally regarding dubs it wasn't just the Italians, the Spanish did it quite frequently too and lots of kung-fu were typically dubbed and the Indonesians whose films I really need to explore in more detail, sadly only Mondo Macabro seem to put their stuff out, bah humbug! Anime also is very often dubbed and set to English dub by default so I suppose you could count that too but I know what you mean, most countries just use subtitles.

Posted on 2 Jan 2012 20:35:30 GMT
AlanK47 says:
Having just seen the Fright Night remake I think I've already seen the lowest moment of remakes (so far anyway). What a truly awful film. Remove all the Hammy, Gothic, Comedy, Drama and Character development from the 80's classic. Stick in some annoying teens a vamp that looks like hes on a gay cruise. Peter Vincent is now a Goth stage magician with the voice of Russell Brand. (evil)Ed is a complete an utter Tw*t.
Charlie is a complete non entity. His girlfriend and mum get bigger roles (Which is a very bad thing as they are annoying as hell). There is no style what so ever in this film. Theres not 1 thing i can say was better that the 80's version. Even with its way bigger budget

As a stand alone Vamp movie I'd give it 0 out 10. As a remake I give it...Well I'd probably rather watch The Twilight saga than this crap (I fu#*ing hate Twilight by the way)

Posted on 2 Jan 2012 21:34:14 GMT
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