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Initial post: 30 Mar 2012 23:43:51 BDT
How is blu ray ever going to really take off with the current price of new realeases. I don't want a double or triple play or bloody 3D, I want a decently priced single disc. While you can pick up most new release dvds for a tenner at your local supermarket, most folks will never fork out for the new format. Example on amazon MI-GP dvd pre-order £9.99, blu-ray £17.99. Its good to see some great prices on a lot of back catalogue but as I have ranted in a previous post, a lot are either lazy transers or no/minimal improvement on the dvd. I am being really careful with my purchases even if they are only a fiver. The first dvd I ever bought was the Matrix. Going from vhs to dvd, was back then truly amazing. Unless prices come down I really can't see this format taking off as it should.

Posted on 31 Mar 2012 12:03:37 BDT
J.Yasimoto says:
It's £17.99 on release to maximise profit from the must-have-it-now crowd. In fact Zavvi are selling the pre-order triple play for £14.99. Furthermore, if you wait 6 months, I confidently predict you will be able to pick it up for under a tenner.

You say your first DVD was The Matrix. I would be interested to hear how much you paid for it. I think my copy was £25.

BluRay is really not that expensive. And prices will continue to fall even further in the years to come.

Posted on 31 Mar 2012 18:26:55 BDT
Cerberus says:
Go back years ago and compare DVD prices to VHS or LD to VHS... the newer format will always be a little more expensive on many new releases, no big deal as far as I'm concerned.

In reply to an earlier post on 31 Mar 2012 20:23:04 BDT
Just be patient. Most films eventually come down to £5.70 - £7.

I've recently picked up seasons of Lost for £11, Heroes season one and Band Of Brothers for £15 each, and V seasons 1 and 2 for £12.99 (i.e. that was the price for both sets together, not separately).

Check find-dvd.co.uk regularly. It lists blu rays in order of ascending price.

Posted on 31 Mar 2012 22:08:36 BDT
Thanks guys. I like to think I am a fairly patient person. The point I was trying to make was that this format will not be accepted by the greater public until we see a closer price scheme for the dual new releases. Due to work/kids I rarely get to the cinema now except to see kids movies so my home viewing is a big deal for me being a huge movie fan. Back in the day I didn't mind paying top dollar for dvd vs vhs as the quality difference was 100 fold. In a lot of cases dvd vs blu-ray is marginal at best even with a good set up at home. I do really believe in this format as I have been blown away by some of the remastered titles I have bought and want it to succeed leading to lower prices for everyone. Price is the first issue along with lazy transfers with little/none improvement on previous releases. Blu-ray at its best is the closest we are ever going to get to the real cinema experience. Film companies and retailers are failing to get this accross to the public.

Posted on 1 Apr 2012 20:12:53 BDT
Cerberus says:
" I didn't mind paying top dollar for dvd vs vhs as the quality difference was 100 fold. In a lot of cases dvd vs blu-ray is marginal at best even with a good set up at home. "

Specsavers for you mate and this old chestnut has been done before.

Posted on 1 Apr 2012 22:15:54 BDT
N. Cannon says:
You can pick up plenty of cheap, quality Blu-rays forom £5-10 Iron Man 2 is only £10, Toy Story is £10, I picked up Wall-E not long after it came out for £10 on Blu ray, same for Up , Ponyo and plenty more. THe Triple Play £d bollox, is away to maximise profits from DVD's which are dying by the month, DVD prices plummet soon after the release period as everyone is going over to Blu-ray, I've had my Blu -ray for 2 years now, and I wasn't an early adopter, I'm going to upgrade to a multi-region so that I can get my Hands on the Criterion Blu-rays, as we are badly served in the UK for high end/niche/world cinema releases, only Eureka have stepped up their game, but as a lover of Classic Samurai movies, I get very frustrated with the dross we have in the UK, The BFI should stop arsing around with their Blu rays and get the Kurosawa editions out on Blu.
As for Cinema prices, I went a few months ago for the 1st time in 2/3 years due to having a toddler I never get the chance, and with always being interrupted by obnoxious teenagers forever talking, phoning, getting up and down, I refuse to go... anyway, it cost me the best part of £10!! I can buy a blu-ray for that!!!, and with a son who loves his movies, and willwatch them again, and again, and again!! I get good blue for money from buying DVD's/Blu-rays ( some DVD's look as good as Blu with the upscaling!)

I buy a couple of Blu-rays a month, maybe more depending on what's out not as many as when I used to buy DVD's but as I'm going to get a multi-region I can then indulge in US and World Blu ray releases. Give it 5 years, and then we will be getting super Blu ray etc.. they have already broadcast tv in Japan at 4 times HD quality last year during a test recording, so the clock, is ticking!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2012 01:21:19 BDT
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Posted on 2 Apr 2012 12:55:20 BDT
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Posted on 2 Apr 2012 14:59:26 BDT
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Posted on 5 Apr 2012 11:04:32 BDT
bluray has been around for 6 years - the prices of blurays to dvd compared to dvd to vhs years ago is much cheaper now.
you will find most blurays are at £15 on release and dvds £10 - im hapy to pay the extra as the quality is much better.

now yes i agree id rather get a bluray single than triple play nonsense - but since they are charging only £5 more for the same thing but with bluray added, i think its a good deal - for those with dvd players only they can buy the film they want and for just a few quit more they future proof themselves.

bottom line is in a few more years bluray will be all you can get at minumum and 3d bluray will be top dog (although i hope it fails).

these days the only things i buy on dvd are tv series and wrestling events that dont have bluray releases. but if its on both, im never picking old dvd format. blurays have been around a long time and are at very good prices these days.

i think those who piss all over blurays are just too tight to move with the times - HD TV is standard for most things these days, so why settle for SD retail discs?

Posted on 6 Apr 2012 03:32:31 BDT
I hate it when people need to decide in my place that I'm buying a product that is already dead in the water. Excuse me, but I do like the format very much, the quality is so much better than a dvd. Maybe your screensize or screenquality isn't high enough to notice this, but my screen is 64 inch, it begs for HD content.

Posted on 8 Apr 2012 18:33:46 BDT
Bourne1886 says:
To be honest since I got into Blu-Ray and Sky HD I could never go back to SD.
When I read posts that say Blu-Ray is no better than the DVD upscaled I think people must be blind or have poor equipment. I will always go for HD over SD. As for the prices I think there good. If you shop about on the Internet there are some great bargains to be had. It's all relative. There no dearer than when DVDs came out. In fact they're much better value. There are exceptions though and I still think there is more to come from Blu-Ray. It's as though the studios are drip feeding us!

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2012 18:47:32 BDT
I agree,i only buy dvds now if no blu ray is available from anywhere in the world,there are bargains to be had,and that includes off ebay.

Posted on 9 Apr 2012 18:52:44 BDT
Bourne1886 says:
I agree. I wish they would release more back catalogue titles and at reasonable prices. There are still many films that are on DVD but they haven't been transferred to BLU yet!

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Apr 2012 20:06:17 BDT
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Posted on 9 Apr 2012 20:56:36 BDT
Bourne1886 says:
I love HD more than SD. But you are right Deniro77. I was the same with DVD releases but Blu-Ray isn't being rolled out as quick. Maybe downloads will be the next big thing for movies, which is fine if people can afford a computer,smart tv etc, so they can store/ watch their favourite movies. My only issue with that is the quality of the files, no download even in HD is as good as a permanent BLU-Ray disc, that you can put on whether you want without the hassle of streaming, downloading etc because of broadband being so slow etc,at least where I live. I think BLU-Ray is awesome but it's not being used to its full potential by the studios. They are the ones ruining it for the public! Why they can't release discs with the best picture quality and extras is beyond me. They want people to invest in the technology but aren't doing enough to make Blu-Ray what it could be. Admittedly there are some awesome transfers out there such as Ben Hur, Zulu etc, but equally there are some terrible ones such as Rocky, Predator and Robocop to name a few. Until a proper standard is brought in across the board that protects consumers I.e picture quality that is worthy on every release instead of it being hit and miss, people will not embrace it. How many times do we see viewers saying in posts that the Blu-ray is no better than the DVD. If the studios did transfers and extras right the first time instead of being cheap stakes there wouldn't be an issue. Plus it must cost more doing it twice. In short there should be an industry standard that a Blu-Ray must meet re quality and it ain't happening, it's all over the place!

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Apr 2012 22:37:25 BDT
a serious blu ray collector would not want to trade them in any way if they collect them, theres no need to get rid because when the next new format comes out you will still be able to use blu rays as you can with dvds now. i have a big collection of both dvd and blu rays and dont plan to ever get rid as i can watch them over and over again. i like blu rays the quality is fantastic, obviously not on all the old movies because theres not much you can do with a film thats 30 years old, as with dvds the older ones arent of good quality either but yet people still buy them

Posted on 10 Apr 2012 01:50:14 BDT
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C. Gould says:
deniro77, you really are an obnoxious little troll.

As for the two posts that followed, Mr Whan the people that post 'reviews' stating that the BD doesn't look any better than the DVD invariably have no idea what they are talking about or how to critique a transfer/encode. If they did they wouldn't post such drivel. I've seen a huge amount of BDs (and currently have about 700 in my personal collection) and I can count the ones that don't look any better than a DVD on the fingers of one hand. You yourself list Predator, Rocky and RoboCop as terrible transfers, but you're looking at them out of context. They were very early efforts in the format's life-cycle and as such cannot be measured against more recent titles (just as it was with early DVDs). Predator isn't even a bad effort, if you're talking about the original release not the noise-reduced re-release.

And Mr Deeming, can we put this tired 'old films don't look good on BD' argument to rest? You're clearly not watching the right films. I'm currently watching The Bridge on the River Kwai and it looks marvellous (and it was released in 1957). It is by no means the exception that proves the rule as there are any number of great looking catalogue titles on the format. You can do plenty with thirty year old films if you have the time and budget.

A lot of people don't seem to realise the cost to return ratio of producing a catalogue title. Studios simply won't spend the sort of money required to give every title a 4K remastering job when they might only sell a few thousand copies.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Apr 2012 02:02:21 BDT
I did not mean that all old films look bad on blu ray i have at least 800 blu rays in my collection and like you said not to many of them are actually bad transfers. Its just that production companies are not going to want to spend a lot of time and money on an old bluray transfer. Im not saying all old films look rubbish because i have the godfather boxset. Taxi driver. Apocalypse now etc and thwy look amazing. Ps yourvthe first person i know of who has hundreds of blurays other than me lol

Posted on 10 Apr 2012 17:27:36 BDT
C. Gould says:
That's a different story and I can't argue with you there. More often than not it's the economics of the situation that determine what we get on BD. Just look at most of Universal's output. They routinely release disappointing catalogue discs (at least visually), partly because they don't spring for new masters and partly because they seem to think that it's preferable to remove grain by way of filtering. Their new releases generally look stunning and when they spend the time and money to do a catalogue release properly the results are great (the Gladiator re-release for example). I imagine Jaws will look very nice on BD because it's getting a proper restoration and it's culturally significant, but just look at what they did to the Jurassic Park films and Back to the Future. They are better than the DVDs, but not as good as they could be because they didn't do it right.

Thankfully Universal are one of the worst offenders and most distributors do a better job. Sony rarely releases anything that isn't great. You mentioned Tax Driver and I mentioned Kwai, but things like Boyz in the Hood, Stand By Me, Das Boot and many others look very good for their age and technical limitations (I picked those because they're right in front of me as I type). They are the most consistent studio by far, but on the whole most of the major players are pretty good with the big titles.

The problem comes with the smaller, 'cult' (whatever that means) films that would probably only attract a few thousand sales or so. The best recent example of this was the original Fright Night. I'd have staked (ho ho) a few quid on that getting a BD release to capitalise on the release of the remake, but instead it got a limited 3000 copy run distributed by a small company in the US. Not international distribution and virtually no advertising. The strange thing is that Sony actually did the transfer, not Twilight Time, so one can deduce it was actually more cost-effective for Sony to sell the rights to TT than it was to press, ship and market the film themselves. Fright Night was one of the biggest films of 1985, so if that isn't worth releasing for a company like Sony it tells you a lot about the state of the catalogue market and why a lot of studios use dated masters and put in the bare minimum of effort for some titles. Thankfully the quality of most titles is such that even the lesser discs offer a decent upgrade over DVD.

I always considered my collection fairly small actually! I have between 770 and 800 discs (haven't catalogued them all yet) but I know people with thousands! Don't know where they get the time. I probably have about 300 unwatched BDs. I don't really buy many now, as most of my collection is older stuff and when Jaws and ET are released I'll have most of my childhood favourites. Unless Sony releases Krull, which they won't of course!

Posted on 10 Apr 2012 18:01:29 BDT
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A. Mattesini says:
i am with N.Cannon on the multi region player. i have started a collection of Eureka blu-rays (and yes i am very late adopter as i like to see the dust settle first) but Criterion is still where its at. only thing is....no-one here in Italy has any clue as to multi region blu-ray players. i have had a look at a few sites but none have convinced me to buy. do any of you have a good suggestion for a multi-region blu ray player? or maybe they are a figment of my imagination.. :)

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2012 00:21:46 BDT
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C. Gould says:
"Reading what C Gould wrote makes me laugh, when anybody critises blu ray in the slightest he or more likely She is on here slagging them off right away , then goes on to say universal release contantly disappointing discs , Doh! um isnt that what people are trying to say but you slag them off for it , talk about hypocracy."

You can talk about it when you can spell it. I've never contended that Blu-ray is flawless, merely that certain individuals' assertions that 'it's no better (or is in fact worse) than DVD' are complete rubbish. Just because some of Universal's titles aren't up to the standard of their very best releases doesn't mean that they are bad, just not as good as they could theoretically be given an infinite budget and resources. (Disappointing is a relative term in this case.) Your failure to grasp the complexities of the issue is your problem, not mine.

"As for lousy blurays Taxi driver and stand by me are shocking, dvd only for me. as for Jurassic park and Jaws I 'll stick to my awesome steelbook of jurassic park, and my 30th anniversary dvd of jaws as I dont want a snowy picture thanks very much."

Shouldn't you be getting back to your bridge? I often wonder if people like you are objectionable little wind-up merchants face to face, or just on the Internet where the relative anonymity shields you from reprisals?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Apr 2012 23:30:59 BDT
Bourne1886 says:
Hi C.Gould.

I agree that viewers who say Blu Ray looks no better than DVD have no idea what they are talking about. I think they should read up on the subject. People are entitled to their opinion but there's no way DVD is better than Blu Ray. All this talk about upscaling DVD is no match for a Blu-Ray. I myself have about 300 hundred Blu Rays and can honestly say that all my Blu Rays are far better quality than their DVD cousins. Some of the older films look amazing.I own amongst others,Tora,Tora,Tora and The Guns of Navarone. Both look amazing. If you've got the right kit you will get the awesome benefit of Blu-Rays.
I have never seen the original transfer of Predator so couldn't comment. I have the 'new noise reduced transfer'. I appreciate that Rocky and Robocop are early efforts as you say in the formats life cycle,but two films of such high standing should receive better transfers. I'm not looking at them out of context, I'm just saying by today's standards they are not quite up to scratch. I know that studios won't spend the sort of money to give every title a 4k remaster, but I think the time has come to upgrade such well thought of films, one won an Oscar for crying out loud. I know there are other Oscar films out there but for me personally I'd love to to see Rocky get a substantial upgrade.
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