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LotR Extended cuts each split over 2 discs, Avatar all 3 cuts on 1 disc?


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Initial post: 7 Jun 2012 22:05:20 BDT
Uncle DJ says:
LotR Extended Editions:
The Fellowship of the Ring: 208 Mins
Two Towers: 223 Mins
Return of the King: 251 Mins

...All three films are split over two discs.

Avatar:
Theatrical Version: 162 Mins
Special Edition Re-Release: 170 Mins
Collector's Extended Cut: 178 Mins
Total: 510 Mins

... All three cuts are on one disc.

According to Blu-Ray.com, Avatar and LotR are both 50GB discs, so why would LotR need to be split?

Posted on 7 Jun 2012 22:40:05 BDT
movieman says:
held off getting lord of the rings for this reason... avatar looked and sounded great so did king kong on one 50gb disc pretty sure l.o.t.r would of also.. can understand putting the film over 2 discs on dvd duel layer but when you have 50gb to play with come on..think it,s down to the studio not bothering redoing the master...

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jun 2012 07:26:29 BDT
J.Yasimoto says:
I think you'll find that all three Avatar films are not on the disc. Instead, there is one extra long version, and the player skips from scene to scene depending on which version is being watched.

As for the Lord of the Ring extended films, I too wondered why they couldn't be put on to one disc as I have a couple of single discs that play longer than 208 mins without any loss of visual quality. The answer I think is due to the huge amount of audio data accompanying each film.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jun 2012 09:11:56 BDT
Uncle DJ says:
"held off getting lord of the rings for this reason"

Me too. I'd happily buy the theatrical versions of LotR, but apparently the picture is better in the extended versions. Then the extended versions are split which ruins the flow of the film, takes you out of it. I think I'll rent the theatricals and see.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jun 2012 09:15:05 BDT
Uncle DJ says:
Yasimoto, everywhere I end up from Googling it tells me all three cuts of Avatar are on one disc and people who own it in a forum tell me the same. When it arrives I'll know for sure :-)

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jun 2012 11:49:05 BDT
M. Freeman says:
What Yasimoto is referring to is 'seamless branching'. It means that each scene of the movie is essentially only on the disc once. There isn't three separate movies stored on the disc - it's just the longest on and then when you click for a shorter version it skips certain scenes that don't fit. Essentially there's only 178 minutes in total on the disk and those minutes just get played in different ways.

Posted on 12 Jun 2012 11:17:09 BDT
Hoddy23 says:
In addition to the seamless branching, I think you'll also find LOTR had to be split is due to the amount of data taken up by the numerous commentaries that this superb box-set has to offer. Don't go for theatrical box-set just because you don't fancy getting off the sofa once in the space of 3 hours! The visual & audio (especially the DTS-HD sound) offered on the extended version box-set is as good as blu-ray gets.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jun 2012 18:04:00 BDT
Uncle DJ says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jun 2012 18:07:00 BDT
M. Freeman says:
I've already explained what Yasimoto meant... do you just completely ignore comments that explain the justification for the Lord of the Rings disc split?

Posted on 12 Jun 2012 22:33:20 BDT
John Morris says:
M. Freeman,

I think you are flogging a dead horse there mate !

Posted on 12 Jun 2012 22:51:20 BDT
M. Freeman says:
The horse is alive and well, I think you may have got it confused with the brain of the intended customer ;)

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jun 2012 01:36:50 BDT
it's ALL about money...15 discs and they can charge £50 +, so why would they have it all on say 6 discs and not be able to charge as much....this has been happening for so long with companies milking us for more money..of course the only way around this is to buy online with amazon : example 3 disc special edition of Battle Royale in hmv costs £28...that's ridiculous, BUT bought from amazon, same 3 disc set ONLY £10!! delivered in two days without any postage!!

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jun 2012 06:54:30 BDT
J.Yasimoto says:
For some reason the ST:NG double facepalm image has just sprung into my head!

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jun 2012 12:00:11 BDT
M. Freeman says:
They only did the double face palm for the MONEY! If they only did one face palm then they wouldn't be able to charge as much!! - couldn't resist.

Posted on 13 Jun 2012 14:48:04 BDT
John Morris says:
Yes warner thought they should put the extended movies on two discs to make more money,not to keep the bitrate higher and improve the picture quality !

Yes that makes perfect sense !

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jun 2012 21:46:50 BDT
lets face it, it's a long film so a split in the middle is fine, everyone needs a toilet break watching this film, so they brought it out on Blu ray properly it's good picture great, sound great, getting off my backside to change disc, fine.

Posted on 16 Jun 2012 12:48:30 BDT
Last edited by the author on 16 Jun 2012 12:58:19 BDT
Does not matter about running times lotr extended are all 20.1-21.8gb in size so cannot fit onto 1 50gb disc

Posted on 16 Jun 2012 14:12:57 BDT
hippo says:
"20.1-21.8gb in size so cannot fit onto 1 50gb disc "
Think you messed up your answer there- should've just said the lotr extended are over 50GB so cannot fit onto a 50GB disc :-)

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2012 14:15:12 BDT
J.Yasimoto says:
It was a load of Horrocks!

Posted on 17 Jun 2012 08:05:59 BDT
bridb20 says:
I suppose we'll all have to wait till the next format to finally get the extended versions onto one disc, till then the only way to watch this without disc swapping is rip the movie using a PC with software eg. DVDFab and blu-ray drive onto a large HDD or SDXC and playing through a USB slot if you've got a compatable TV. This kinda sucks though.
Why didn't they cut out all the bloody extra languages, subtitles, comentaries and intro's, I'm sure it'd fit then. Or Just have the Movie at a reasonable bitrate, One DTS HD track in English and the rest of the langauges in subtitles (takes very little space) Screw the commentaries.
First thing I'm gonna do when I get a DL-BDR is merge these discs together onto one 50GB for the propper experience and decide for myself when I need a toilet break by pressing pause.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Jun 2012 11:05:32 BDT
M. Freeman says:
Screw the commentaies? The reason that the thing is split over two discs is because they wanted to have no compromise of quality. They figured that if you're a fan enough to watch a Return of the King that lasts over 4 hours then you're a fan enough to want a whole load of extras. If you really don't want all of that then just get the Theatrical versions. It's a bit unfair to expect other fans of the series to get less extras (commentaries are one of the most popular with any DVD/Blu Ray) and a lower quality picture just because you're too lazy to get up and change a disc.

Posted on 17 Jun 2012 19:31:46 BDT
Last edited by the author on 17 Jun 2012 19:33:04 BDT
John Morris says:
When the theatrical versions came out people complained that they were not the extednded versions of the movies,people also said the picture quality was not as good as it should have been.

So new line bring out the extended versions and encode them at a higher bitrate,and then put each movie on two discs so the quality is top notch,but people still moan !

Sometimes the studios just can't win.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Jun 2012 21:51:30 BDT
movieman says:
when all is said and done the studios want to make as much money as possible..understandable..look at woman in black u.k film fans getting the cut version on dvd and bluray, not the bbfc fault, the film company are after the harry potter fans .. you can charge a lot more for lord of the rings if its on more discs, the people who make these decisions are not film fans they are suits who want to make as much profit as possible vote with your wallet to get the best version possible... tech wise lord of the rings would have looked pretty good on 50gb each,and at a cheaper price, wont be buying l.o.t.r woman in black, immortals, etc untill we get proper versions and not ripped off....will get hunger games lionsgate are doing right thing

Posted on 17 Jun 2012 22:36:23 BDT
John Morris says:
movieman,

The issue was the theatrical versions looked pretty poor on 50gb discs,and those versions are much shorter than the extended ones so you can understand why the studio released the extended cuts on two discs.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Jun 2012 23:05:34 BDT
movieman says:
the theatrical cuts of lord of the rings on bluray were just new line trying to make more money from bluray they knew they would be releaseing the extended versions on bluray and the poor quality of the single discs is down to half arsed authoring.. the lord of the rings trilogy is in my opinion the best trilogy of films ever and deserve the best bluray treatment but not at takeing fans for a ride. i stick to my guns 3 films 3 ,50gb discs extras on bluray, 4 discs max not 6 blurays umpteen dvds with extras silly price tag... i have 55 inch sony t.v bluray and home cinema king kong and avatar extended, look and sound fantastic and on 1 disc and bluray for me is the only way to watch them but i refused to be ripped off...
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