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Initial post: 27 Sep 2012 17:48:22 BDT

Nat Whilk says:

Now that Indiana Jones is joining Star Wars on BD, can we expect that the next generation of video discs will be with us before very long?

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Posted on 27 Sep 2012 18:29:47 BDT

promaboss says:

even if it does it does not mean previous is obsolete

i have dvds vhs and blu ray i cant see me wanting anytig else more than blu ray and in fact just happy i have some films in vhs some self taped 35 yrs ago and still going some brought a few weeks ago but proper versions second hand and new

same with cds and records both still co exist

vhs dvsd and b ray will all stil co exist for many yrs to come

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Posted on 28 Sep 2012 07:44:12 BDT

Cartimand says:

Define 'soon'. DVDs have been going for 15 years and may still have 3 or 4 years before being totally superseded by BDs.
BDs have already been on sale for 6 years.
I suspect HD downloads will replace physical BDs eventually, but not for several years yet.

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Posted on 28 Sep 2012 08:37:10 BDT

Steven M. Taylor says:

Meaning that Indiana Jones and Star Wars are the pinnacle of cinematic achievement?

'Cos they not.

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In reply to an earlier post on 28 Sep 2012 15:36:47 BDT

J.Yasimoto says:

"vhs dvsd and b ray will all stil co exist for many yrs to come "

VHS is obsolete. You can't give them away now.

Next gen media will be 4K (and hopefully 48fps). But seeing as a lot of archive films won't see much of a difference between 2K(BluRay) and 4K, BluRays will be around for at least 10 years. probably much longer.

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In reply to an earlier post on 28 Sep 2012 15:39:02 BDT

Uncle DJ says:

I prefer owning someone I can physically touch rather than digital downloads when it comes to films. I can't Blu-Rays being obsolete "soon" as Nat asked. I think by 1999 DVD was everywhere. Then in 2006 Blu-Ray came in. I don't see anything better than Blu-Ray for years (yeeeeeeeeeeeeeearrs) to come. Who knows, Blu-Ray might be the final format? I mean, the quality is so good on some transfers that you'd think it's impossible to top that. People still buy DVDs, so Blu-Ray isn't going away :-)

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Posted on 28 Sep 2012 16:34:55 BDT

Trash Fan Gerby says:

4K is pointless in a home set up...you would need a screen as big as your house to see any difference between it & a 1080p image.
I can see 4K eventually replacing 35mm film prints in the cinema though...they will all go digital eventually...i think it has already started.

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Posted on 28 Sep 2012 18:45:28 BDT

Nat Whilk says:

Sony's current best BD deck includes 4K upscaling. Sony also make a 4K projector, and Toshiba have a 4K screen. There are several son-of-BD multi-layered discs that could carry 4K content. To me these look like clues that 4K video could be with us sooner rather than later. My point in mentioning Star Wars and Indiana Jones is that Mr Lucas is an extremely shrewd businessman who would presumably want to bring his assets to BD when he judged that the market for the format was near its peak. I quite agree that BD seems as good as anyone could reasonably want, but then I used to think the same about DVD, and, indeed, Laserdiscs!

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you cant give them away ehat planet you on

i lady on my local markest sells 90 per cent vhs and only a few dvds and no blu ray people come from miles to get them

also look here on amazon they sell and still quite expensive some of them so i wait for thenm to come down dont mind 10 or 12 quid but one i want is around 20 so wont ewntertain in

charity shops did well nbut but now dont sell them as much as they did they take up too much space and thats the big problem for such sellers chareity shops are small and neeed space on other hand they strill sell the old records as well as cds

yes i go for b ray but quality of film is last thing i look for am plaesed if imrpved on my 16 or 19 inch screen but dont wet my pants for me its extras and pictur in picture tracks extra comentaries thsat make me go for b ray over dvd

ahnd of course seeing as no decent films made since 1980 then all my stuff is 1930s to 1980 well ok some good after then but not many

i always hated cinema as i dont liek having sound comer aty me from all angles or such big screens

iu sit 2 ft from 19 inch screen and do notice b ray quality

but am happy witth vhs even old taped with lines on it yes sure if it somes dvd or b ray then i go for it but if not i stick with the taped

i still have or rather mum has 300 vhs tapes with 4 films on each still perfectly watchable
also the local musci and dvd shop has hundreds of vhs and you see them turn over often they dont all last in there long some do and some many copies of but i check for any rare ones espcially if not b ray or dvd issued as sadly many are not i accept but sorry i wil be watching vhs as long as mancines hold out

i have to brand new vhs players cheap ones in reserve and mum has one also in reserve so we future proofed ourselves when vhs palyers went down to 30 quid in fact we both have a daiwoo vhs dvd player both 25 quid both good work horses

i want one of those toshiba ones still being made with dvd ut at 300 quid no way

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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Sep 2012 09:49:26 BDT

Uncle DJ says:

I'd say the main people who go for Blu-Ray are us big film lovers. We want the best picture, sound and features at home ---> Blu-Ray. Other people are satasfied with DVD.

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Posted on 29 Sep 2012 19:20:25 BDT

Martin P. Farrell says:

I was invited to BBC studios to witness super hi-vision. Can't remember the resolution but it's about 8K. I think it may kill off 4K digital cinema. However, there is no storage for programs and films. Will it work? With movies being filmed in digital they may be too low a resolution for the format. Blu-ray and DVD will be still be around if this new format takes off.

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Posted on 29 Sep 2012 22:05:19 BDT

Nat Whilk says:

I would imagine that from the industry's point of view, 4K must look awfully tempting. After all, most home cinema fans have proved themselves pretty keen to shell out on the latest technology - much more so than music buffs, for example, still typically loyal to their CDs. Having seen many of us replace VHS with DVD and DVD with Blu-ray, wouldn't the film companies want to try to sell us our old favourites all over again? And with the television manufacturers desperate to rebuild their profit margins, wouldn't it make sense for them to add 4K to their coming OLED displays to help to justify premium pricing? Perhaps the future is a segmented marketplace in which the Apple-loving young watch HD downloads on their iPads, while the whiskered old, delighting in their shelves of Director's Cuts, watch their 4K platters on OLED wallpaper.

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Posted on 1 Oct 2012 03:10:23 BDT

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Posted on 1 Oct 2012 18:09:24 BDT

Nat Whilk says:

I'm sorry if my speculating about a successor to Blu-ray has irritated. I agree that the quality of a well-mastered BD is quite wonderful, and I share Mr Redmond's disappointment that there are still many titles available on DVD only. This said, I gather that people who have been lucky enough to see domestic 4K have noticed a clear improvement over HD. A time could come when home video attains a degree of realism incapable of discernible improvement, but I think we're still as far from home cinema nirvana as VHS was from Blu-ray.

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Posted on 1 Oct 2012 21:35:58 BDT

Trash Fan Gerby says:

How more clear does the picture need to be before you are satisfied? I love a good restoration job as much as the next person but i like the grain you get from 35mm film...what i don't like is when companies releasing blu rays of movies that were shot on film try & get rid of the grain by using dnr...it looks unnatural.

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Posted on 2 Oct 2012 07:26:20 BDT

J.Yasimoto says:

"How more clear does the picture need to be before you are satisfied?"

Ermm... there's quite a way to go yet. When you can't tell the difference between watching TV and looking out the window - that's when perfection will have been reached.

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Posted on 2 Oct 2012 14:38:25 BDT

Trash Fan Gerby says:

"Ermm... there's quite a way to go yet. When you can't tell the difference between watching TV and looking out the window - that's when perfection will have been reached."

To be honest i am more interested in watching the actual film than how many pixels are displayed on the screen.

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Posted on 2 Oct 2012 15:22:24 BDT

Nat Whilk says:

It seems that we fall into two camps. Some of us, perfectly reasonably, are satisfied with the technology that we already have, and others of us are always dreaming of something just a little better. For me, the upgrade cycle of home cinema is part of its fun. Watching a film that I already know and love on a new disc or a new display is as close as I can get to recapturing the delight of enjoying it for the first time. I've certainly found that each step of a 30-year journey from Betamax to Laserdisc to DVD to Blu-ray has made films look and sound more beautiful. I can quite understand that anyone who has made a big investment in a current technology must have mixed feelings when something better comes over the horizon, but wouldn't the world be a sadder place if innovation dried up? So I'm with J.Yasimoto. If I ever get the chance to enjoy 4K video or 48fps or the even more amazing advances witnessed at the BBC by Mr Farrell, I shall be as thrilled as I was when I unboxed my old Beta player back in the dark ages. Personally I shall only admit that true perfection has been achieved when I can switch on a Star Trek style holo-emitter and have a cup of tea with Bilbo Baggins in Rivendell!

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Posted on 2 Oct 2012 15:58:59 BDT

Mr. L. Curry says:

Blu-Rays have yet to take off, they're more of a niche format, an indulgence for those who want the very best in picture and sound quality. Far from being the replacement for DVDs, which is what they were intended to be, they are more like designer shoes or a restaurant meal. I can't see digital downloads and streaming taking over, not for several generations at least, as they're just so restrictive and cumbersome.

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Posted on 2 Oct 2012 16:44:28 BDT

Trash Fan Gerby says:

4K will never take off in the home format just like 3D will never take off in the home format...sure some people will buy into it but it really is pointless in the home setup.

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Posted on 2 Oct 2012 20:17:42 BDT

Cerberus says:

"4K will never take off in the home format just like 3D will never take off in the home format...sure some people will buy into it but it really is pointless in the home setup."

You had people say the same thing when HD was shown in Japan and when DVD was released. I don't think you can lump 3D and 4K resolution in the same it'll never take-off boat, 3D requires glasses and dedicated film software plus the effect in the home isn't as good as in the cinema so people will be reluctant to pay extra for it, 4K resolution is just progression of the TV so like it or lump it I think it'll happen and take off as it'll replace 1080p sets.

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In reply to an earlier post on 2 Oct 2012 20:45:35 BDT

boywiththestarsinhiseyes says:

I'm not sure what people that have seen domestic 4K claim is improved. I read a long analysis of 4K from a technical guy who reviews TVs for a living and is a proper AV geek/videophile. Ultimately it boiled down to this - when you're watching a 1080p Blu-ray on your TV at normal viewing distance, can you see the pixels? No. So making them 4 or even 8 times smaller won't enable you to see any more detail, your eyes simply don't "support" a greater resolution. He suggested a difference might be noticeable on a 72"+ screen. I don't have one of those and I doubt most people would want something that large in their lounge. Even if you do but you then sit further away from that massive screen due to its size, that difference would disappear again.

It's a bit like "Deep Color" which allows for over 1 billion different colours. The human eye can detect around 10 million. The previous colour standard, "True Color", provided for 16 million colours which is more than enough. Technically it's all very impressive, but on a practical level in the home any differences are going to be negligible and I suspect that at least some of the praise for 4K can be put down to a kind of placebo effect (or perhaps the video was shown on a massive screen).

To address the original question, I think that BR has some life left in it yet. Yes, streaming will take over at some point but there are still generations of people that will always prefer a physical copy of their favourite film, to not be utterly reliant on the internet or digital copies stored on fallible hard drives (I learned that lesson the hard way once) or that through habit or tradition like to have a physical thing to represent their purchase. As BR already supports 1080p, 3D and 7.1 True HD hi-fi and can play for over 3 hours I think it would be a real hard sell to replace it with another physical medium in the near future.

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In reply to an earlier post on 2 Oct 2012 20:46:41 BDT

Isaac Redfield says:

"I prefer owning someone I can physically touch"? Sigmund Freud wants to have a quick word

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Posted on 2 Oct 2012 20:53:21 BDT

Isaac Redfield says:

As it stands with current compression a film made in 4k would need 200+ blu-rays. The tech needs to play catch up a hell of a lot yet.

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