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In reply to an earlier post on 31 Jul 2013 21:12:50 BDT
I love first person done right, but not necessarily a "retelling." You can tell a story in first person and know what the other characters are feeling by their actions, facial expressions, and comments. Info dumps--whether it be descriptions or information delivered from one character to another have to be cleverly disguised to be effective. :>)

Posted on 31 Jul 2013 21:08:23 BDT
E. C. says:
I too like to have things tied up at the end. If another book comes along following on from the story with the same characters but a new lot of twists and turmoil then fine, but I do like the ends tied. They don't have to be happily ever after, but they have to be tied.

Points of view, hmmm. I recently read a book that was written solely in first person. It was a good story but the only time you got to find out what the other major character was doing was they recounted their happenings to the person who was telling the story. So all through it I was thinking "what's the second person thinking, how do they feel, do I really want their explanation at the end of every chapter plus a recount of what the first person had been doing?"

In reply to an earlier post on 31 Jul 2013 15:52:14 BDT
I hate those. I usually don't read them. Maybe I have a short attention span, or maybe my linear thinking doesn't allow me to enjoy those types of books, but a lot of them feel like I'm trying to read two books at once. Oh, there are some I've read and enjoyed despite that sort of thing, but in general, I don't care for the technique. It's perfectly valid, but as a reader, I will only tolerate about two points of view anyway and the alternating style/cliffhanger is my least favorite way of using two POV...

In reply to an earlier post on 31 Jul 2013 15:24:04 BDT
I Readalot says:
Then you get the books with 2 story lines or points of view that are written in alternate chapters, definitely aimed at keeping the reader reading, crime fiction does it a lot. Reach a cliff hanger then you have to read a chapter before the story gets back to it.

In reply to an earlier post on 31 Jul 2013 15:03:37 BDT
True, some books end each chapter with a "cliffhanger." Some suspense is nice, too much becomes an obvious ploy. I can handle the cliffhangers at the chapter ends, but I detest books that do it at the end of the book--especially if they don't "finish" the story--rather they leave too many ends unfinished.

The Morganville Vamp series (Rachel Morgan is the author I think) and the Pretty series (Scott Westerfeld) both finish the original story and then tend to have a chapter that gets the main characters in a pickle. But at least they tie up the ends. I finished the first too books in the Cassie Scot: ParaNormal Detective by Christine...shoot. I just looked it up so I could get the author name. Anyway, the first ended on a cliffhanger, but finished the story. The second (I bought an ARC direct from the publisher because I HAD to see what happened next) didn't tie up very many of the loose ends. Oh, the main mystery was tied up, but there were enough strings on the floor that I was just annoyed. I want my full story. Do what you must after that, but if you leave me hanging too much, I'll just move on. Soap opera I don't need. Hmph.

Posted on 31 Jul 2013 13:47:35 BDT
E. C. says:
well put Maria. Sometimes if you are leaving a long break you want to start a new chapter, but I have also found that starting a new chapter right in the middle of an "action or suspence-filled" scene also works to create more drama or tension simply because some people do only read a chapter at a time, although you can only get away with it a couple of times in any one book. (to me anyway)

In reply to an earlier post on 31 Jul 2013 13:18:56 BDT
The breaks in chapters are generally called scene breaks, but can also be a shift in a point of view (different characters). There is no real rule. This is an area where an author can decide how to break up a chapter. If the first scene in the chapter is short, she might just do a scene break rather than a new chapter. In the old days it might matter more because a printed book always goes to a new right-hand side page for a new chapter. So if you have many short scenes, you might be wasting pages. But really it's at the discretion of the writer.

So yes, that is writing style. These days a lot of people seem to like shorter chapters. My mother said the same thing you did. She often has time for a quick dip and likes to read a chapter. She hates to break things up herself. Sometimes the story demands a long sequence and sometimes it doesn't!

Posted on 31 Jul 2013 13:01:08 BDT
G. D. Buxton says:
I was thinking of writing styles recently while reading my last two novels. The first had lots of chapters around 60 while the other only had around 18.
Both books was around 400 pages. The difference between the writng (and please forgive me as I do not know the term) was there was brakes in the chapter between paragraphs when a change of topic started. The other novel did not use much of this instead went to another chapter. Again do you authors prefer a certain way and do you believe one is better English than the other.
Personally as a reader I prefer shorter chapter as I like to stop reading when a chapter ends, when some chapters are 30 pages long that is not always possible.

Posted on 31 Jul 2013 08:43:12 BDT
I Readalot says:
In grammatical terms ate is the simple past of to eat, you would say I ate a burger where it is the verb of the sentence. Eaten is the past participle, in Maria's sentence above 'had' is the verb.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 15:01:45 BDT
It should be "John had just eaten everything on offer."

Posted on 30 Jul 2013 14:11:01 BDT
E. C. says:
For me, the word 'ate' would be if the sentence said 'John had just ate everything that was on offer ...'

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 13:18:19 BDT
There are some (very few) cases where an author can choose between two rules. Some is spelling or convention. For example, it is more common in Europe to say, "He walked towards the door." In America: "He walked toward the door." No "s" on the end of toward. So long as an author is consistent, they are both correct. In the example you gave, only the first instance is correct.

Posted on 30 Jul 2013 12:52:46 BDT
E. C. says:
Eurythymia is right, camomile lotion is the best thing, and I think you can also now get it as a cream, you might also be able to get it free from the chemist as part of their "care of the chemist" thing they do, wouldn't hurt to ask.

Also, maybe a pair of loose cotton socks for the little one might stop his boots itching?

Posted on 30 Jul 2013 12:52:11 BDT
Last edited by the author on 31 Jul 2013 12:52:03 BDT
G. D. Buxton says:
Changing the subject totally here,but I was wondering about grammer in books, Is there a right or wrong way in some sentences or is it the authors personal prefrence.
example (probably a bad one) 'John had just eaten is dinner when.....' or 'John had ate all his dinner when.....' . Is one right and the other wrong or does it not matter?

Posted on 30 Jul 2013 10:12:40 BDT
Eurythymia says:
Camomile lotion is the best. Never bettered.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 08:29:30 BDT
G. D. Buxton says:
We are trying but it's hard with a four year old. We think the baby as now got them. We saw a blister on is neck this morning. We are just worried about his feet as he as to wear boots and bars at night and how painfull it might be rubbing against the pox.

Posted on 29 Jul 2013 23:56:30 BDT
E. C. says:
Yuky chicken pox, poor thing, don't let him scratch the scabs!

Posted on 29 Jul 2013 18:32:35 BDT
G. D. Buxton says:
Guess what?, we were discussing chicken pox and if my little boy has had them, well he as now he came down with them the day of his birthday party. Waiting to see if the baby gets them now. I hope so,gets it out of the way.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jul 2013 08:25:37 BDT
G. D. Buxton says:
It was his birthday Sunday and he decided it would be a good idea to get us up at 1am then at 2,we gave in at 4.50am. I could not be mad at him though (so cute). He is like a clone of me but it's like they have just given the good bits to him and taken away all the rubbish

Posted on 12 Jul 2013 22:29:42 BDT
E. C. says:
Just done my ironing, after three vodka and cokes (it is Friday) and I managed not to burn myself. My step daughter is 32, and my daughter and son are 14 and 11 so kinda look after themselves. Having two under five must be hectic! Hope your son likes his new class on Monday.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2013 16:37:06 BDT
Last edited by the author on 12 Jul 2013 16:37:55 BDT
G. D. Buxton says:
My little boy as his Monday for infants and it's his last day of Nursery next week. I feel qiut chocked, to think a stage of his life is over already.
I must say though, i'm not looking forward to this weekend. My wife is working tonight til 10 and from 9am til 10pm tomorrow and Sunday so I have the baby as well as the 4 year old. It's not too bad it's after 5pm(as I get up with them at 6 in the morning) when I start to get tired and with the baby not sleeping well makes it worse. I also invite my Mum over for the dy so she can look afer the baby for a while so I can do the house work. My wife struggles to do the ironing with having a baby around so I dio it at night time. I am off home now so I am signing off til monday, wish me luck(can't wait to get back to work Monday morning for a rest).

Posted on 12 Jul 2013 16:24:33 BDT
E. C. says:
My son had his trial day at big school today. Came home with a massive smile on his face so it must have been successful

Posted on 12 Jul 2013 14:53:16 BDT
Eurythymia says:
My dog is on the naughty step (or its equivalent ) at the moment!

Posted on 12 Jul 2013 14:25:00 BDT
E. C. says:
Thanks GD

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2013 13:15:52 BDT
I Readalot says:
I agree about Blue Bloods but for me it has to be Tom Seleck! Having said that I see it more as an ensemble piece, with everyone in the family having their chance to shine which is what makes it such good viewing, along with the contemporary story lines and great scripts that is. I have watched each season when first shown so have a while to wait now before the next one starts up.
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