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In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jul 2013 14:57:58 BDT
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Posted on 20 Jul 2013 15:31:58 BDT
S Riaz says:
I do not understand your point - quoting from various blogs give opinions, not facts. There is a huge difference between people downloading a 99p kindle book on a whim and paying for a hardback novel. If I download the kindle deal of the day I think "well, looks ok, may get round to reading it." If I buy a book for £8+ then it is something I want to read now, presumably I can't wait for the discounted version. The difference is in the quality of writing, which you are not taking into account.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jul 2013 16:09:04 BDT
Anita says:
From where I stand some authors can write a good *or* a popular book (not necessarily the same thing, but not impossible either) and be successful, and the others, who can't write a decent book, are just talking non stop how to make their mediocre (in order to be polite) book successful.

I can pretty well imagine how an author wants to talk about the same things he/she writes about, in any case that *must* be interesting to him/her. Or even about his/her writing methods. But to go on and on and on about success - about the "undeserved" success of someone else... now, that's a bit pathetic (I'm obviously being polite in terminology again)

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jul 2013 16:26:55 BDT
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Marand says:
You can trawl the net for as many posts as you like but you still have not come up with a coherent argument. I am not a fan of JKR, have never read any of the HP novels and her more recent work is of no interest to me either. However, if other people wish to purchase her books, at whatever price, that is their choice. Your patronising comments about people buying at what you see as the 'wrong' price are just asinine.

You may claim also that it isn't envy that is driving you but it is extremely difficult to see what your point is if not that. The link back to your forum post presumably is intended to make us all think that you are more 'successful' because you had 10,000 downloads (otherwise why provide the link) - although these appear to have been free downloads at a time when kindles were still relatively new and many people downloaded hundreds of books because they were free, most of which probably went unread. I guess that if JKR put up her books for free or cheap download, the sales would run into the millions!

In the absence of any coherent argument/point I can only conclude you loathe JKR because she does not, in your view, deserve the acclaim and sales. That is just pathetic.


Posted on 20 Jul 2013 17:36:18 BDT
E. C. says:
I have no doubt JKR is good at what she does. Pat on the back to her for making a success of her dreams but, before it was known who Galbraith actually was, the sales of his book were, not exactly favourable. Hardbacks and audio books are not cheap to make/advertise, did you never think that the publisher may have thought "oh crap, we got this really wrong, lets leak the truth and claw back what we can". Surely, if she'd wanted the anonymity and the chance to be praised for writing in a different genre, she should have done it as an ebook or a paperback and then given it a good year or so to build a following for Galbraith before launching expensive hardbacks and audio versions.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jul 2013 18:10:17 BDT
Tom C: A good writer can do research to ensure that he gets his facts right. It does not follow that an ex-CSI would be competent to write good fiction.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jul 2013 18:24:08 BDT
Damaskcat says:
I agree, Stella :-)

Posted on 20 Jul 2013 18:30:38 BDT
S Riaz says:
For a debut novel to sell over a thousand hardback copies is favourable though. Yes, had the novel been released as a cheap kindle/paperback edition, it might had sold more. Still, though, I would say they are very good sales for an unknown author. As another poster has pointed out, people may download free, or very cheap, kindle books in large numbers - but how many books are enjoyed by readers, or even read? A minority I would guess, which makes the numbers pointless. Yet people will pre-order the new novel by Jo Nesbo, for example, and not mind paying a higher price, as they are pretty certain they will enjoy the book. If an author is good enough they can charge higher prices and, in the case of the Galbraith book, the publishers obviously thought it was worth a hardback print run.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jul 2013 18:33:23 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jul 2013 19:10:51 BDT
TomC says:
That isn't the point. In making the claim "I am an experienced CSI", I am clearly implying that there is a level of expertise about that occupation which simply cannot be attained in any way other than by doing that job, and certainly not by talking to people or reading about it in books. It really doesn't matter whether or not that is actually true: that's what I want you to think, otherwise I wouldn't bother making the statement. The conclusion to which I then want you, the reader, to progress is that because I possess this level of expertise, I am well ahead of all those other would-be "authentic" writers who just read about that stuff second-hand. Trust me: I've done the job.

The writer will never end up in court on the basis of an invented biography, of course. How the reader sees it depends on whether they believe they have a relationship with the author based upon trust. Some simply don't care; they assume that anything the writer produces is fiction. Others will feel let down; they think that by reading the books they have a relationship with the writer, and by fabricating a biography the writer has broken an implied contract with them. One thing is certain: that writer had better not make any slip from then on. If they slip up on a matter of detail, the readers will cut them no slack at all.

Whether the writer is capable of writing well is, of course, an entirely separate issue.

Posted on 20 Jul 2013 19:27:34 BDT
E. C. says:
I agree with you Tom C

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jul 2013 19:29:33 BDT
I Readalot says:
Over a thousand for a debut is, as you say favourable and most new authors would be quite content with that. Every week I see hardbacks of debuts coming into the shop, knowing that many of them won't sell at all. Not due to lack of quality but simply because it can be hard to get people to try something new. When I find one I really enjoy then I will work damn hard to persuade customers to try it. Nothing more satisfying than having them come back and ask when the author is bringing out a new book.

Posted on 20 Jul 2013 19:32:18 BDT
E. C. says:
Am I right in thinking you work in a book shop I Readalot? That is awesome!

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jul 2013 19:40:29 BDT
I Readalot says:
Yep quite right E.C., and an independent one as well. Might get paid peanuts but I can't imagine working anywhere else.

Posted on 20 Jul 2013 20:01:51 BDT
E. C. says:
That would be my second dream job!

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jul 2013 20:51:05 BDT
Do you live in Falkirk?

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jul 2013 21:15:11 BDT
I Readalot says:

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jul 2013 09:32:16 BDT
I'm puzzled by all this talk of a "contract" between the reader and the writer. The intimacy we think we have with our favourite writers (based on their internet presence, or whatever) is completely illusory. Writers write what they want: readers read what they choose. Isn't that enough?

Posted on 21 Jul 2013 10:43:16 BDT
E. C. says:
Where a bio is concerned you have a choice. Tell people about your past or don't. I have read books where the bio literally tells you that the author lives in London, that's it. That's fine by me. But if you want to give me a bio, then don't lie about it so that as a reader, I get the impression that you have personal experience of what you are writing about. Put it this way, if I wanted to read a fiction storybook about the SAS I would look at one of Andy McNab's book first as I know (from what his bio tells me) that his stories will have an element of believability to them because he's been there. And yes, I would feel duped if it was suddenly revealed that he was actually a fake with little more than a good head for research.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jul 2013 10:56:43 BDT
Doesn't happen too often these days. Neither does that someone puts the comma where it belongs. So thank you. :-)

Posted on 21 Jul 2013 11:01:49 BDT
E. C. says:
I love my commas, they remind me to breathe. Fortunately for me, my proofer takes them out. Where forums are concerned I write posts as I speak. Complaining about my commas is underhanded and not really conducive to the discussion. And as a nice person, I wouldn't dream of pulling up a forum poster about their spelling errors.

Posted on 21 Jul 2013 11:03:21 BDT
E. C. says:
If we were talking face to face would you tell me that I took a breath at the wrong time in my sentence?

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jul 2013 11:06:54 BDT
If the shoe fits.
Maybe take a look at my post and see to whom I replied before you go off like a rocket?

Posted on 21 Jul 2013 11:18:52 BDT
Obelix says:
Hey Stella,

I take it Patricia's lawyers didn't get you after all?

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jul 2013 11:23:17 BDT
Last edited by the author on 21 Jul 2013 11:28:37 BDT
Oh, they knocked at my door, I let them in, offered some tea and home baked muffins; then I showed them the thread and they died of laughter.

(No, I think she woke up one day, feeling like the fool she made of herself.)
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