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In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 23:05:50 GMT
Marand says:
I remember Nell's name appearing on the forums - the fact that I remember it would suggest she was reasonably active back then. Whether she was promoting a lot I wouldn't like to say. It is, however, noticeable that most of the authors who frequented these forums before the ban on promotion don't contribute now except in MOA which does tend to indicate that promotion was the primary motivation.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 23:18:07 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Feb 2013 23:20:18 GMT
gille liath says:
Oo, get her...

But no, she didn't just not post - she made a point of saying she was outta here, because she wasn't used to this kind of behaviour or whatever.

'Hanging' - I don't know what phrase you're referring to. Franklin isn't anywhere near as big a noise over here as he appears to be to you guys (I take it you're American from your comments). I originally meant 'hang together' in the sense of 'stand or fall together' - you may not have the word in that sense, I don't know. Only as a joking afterthought was I making a play on the execution sense of the word. But seriously, I wouldn't dream of executing authors however bad their books are. A prison sentence is probably as much as you could justify.

I came on this thread originally because it was started by a spammer who was getting on my nerves. I'm still here, I suppose, because it irritates me that some people are still trying to justify that kind of thing. I don't specifically disapprove of SP books, just spam.

As for the rest, apparently you're an author or would-be author too? Nuff said.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 23:18:22 GMT
gille liath says:
My point exactly.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 23:19:14 GMT
Marand says:
Did you read Nell's post - the one where she refers to forum participants as rats? It doesn't seem unreasonable to conclude she felt affronted by the reaction to her post. She received negative votes on her contribution and lashed out. Whether or not it was right that her post was down-voted, choosing to abuse other forum participants was not wise and the nature of the response does rather suggest a thin skin.

And please don't run the 'get a life' line with the implication that forum users have no lives. It is a cheap shot. It is quite clear from the posts that Nell left because her post was down-voted. She no doubt does have a life - so do we all - but that isn't what precipitated her departure from the thread.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 23:31:13 GMT
Anita says:
Prison sentence?? Just imagine how many books they would write while there...

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 23:35:53 GMT
gille liath says:
Good point. I take that back.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 23:41:34 GMT
Last edited by the author on 7 Feb 2013 14:33:26 GMT
Marion Stein says:

I don't think I caught the "rats" mention, just a post or two where she was getting fed up with the down-voting.
Sometimes things get heated in forums, but often when people leave, it's because they see no sense in continuing a senseless argument or life intervenes. Maybe she needed to brush her teeth. You're right about the 'get a life.' It's a cliche. I'll change it.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 23:51:16 GMT
Last edited by the author on 7 Feb 2013 21:59:41 GMT
Marion Stein says:
I identified myself as a writer in my post. Granted the post was long, so you may not have read it carefully. Your use of the word 'apparently' implies that I wasn't clear about that. I was.

Feel free to dismiss everything I said in the post. That's certainly your right. Sometimes when you dismiss people whom you don't know anything about because of one characteristic they have, you miss out, and often times when you believe that another person's motivations are "obvious" you are wrong, especially when you assume you know the motivations based on one characteristic. Of course, I'm using "you" in the impersonal sense.

Posted on 7 Feb 2013 06:38:09 GMT
Steven says:
I'm obviously a rare breed on this thread... I am not an SP author (or any other type of author) but I have read and enjoyed some SP books-- a fair few in fact. obviously the majority are dross (as demonstrated by this thread) but there is some good stuff out there to.

particular favourites of mine include books by Mary Fitzgerald, Nick Spalding, Mel Comley, Carl Ashmore and Mel Sherratt. Mary Fitzgerald and Nick Spalding now have publishing contracts with major publishers.
there are more but its too early in the morning to think of them right now. :)

Posted on 7 Feb 2013 08:00:24 GMT
Ethereal says:
They obviously breed a tougher kind of author in the US and maybe Nell Gavin forgot which forum she was posting on!

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Feb 2013 21:55:30 GMT
That's interesting. I'd say the reason is far more simple.The fact is, authors are not made very welcome outside the M.O.A. Indeed for some time the best, possibly the only way to enjoy these fora if you're an author has been to keep very quiet about it. Now that the mood is lightening up a bit, some of us are timidly admitting it. The ones who sell 40 or 50,000 books a year have moved on and found other more relaxed and friendly places... the ones who like to chat have stayed and the odd dumb newbie is turning up who hasn't read the rules...

Just my twopennorth.



In reply to an earlier post on 7 Feb 2013 22:02:56 GMT
gille liath says:
I haven't seen any problems whatsoever with authors being on forums - as long as they're not spamming. Far from it, we have tolerated a lot of stuff which, if not definitely spam, could certainly be read as self-promotion.

Because again, as with the SP threads: if they're only here to chat, there isn't really much occasion for them to draw attention to what they do.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Feb 2013 00:44:53 GMT
Marand says:

Like Gille I haven't seen any evidence that authors are not made welcome. I think all are welcome as long as they don't promote. I, and I am sure many others here, have known all along that you are an author but you aren't chatting about your book, etc - you contribute to discussions on a general basis. Unfortunately many of the authors who posted here before the MOA was created did nothing but promote their books, frequently dumping multiple cut & pasted promos. It wasn't entirely surprising therefore that Amazon took action. If authors had an interest another than promotion I would have expected a few more to hang around and enter the discussions.

As for the newbies, maybe they do blunder in accidentally but they really should check posting guidelines at the outset. Many internet forums specifically prohibit any form of advertising so it is something any reasonably savvy person should be aware of to the point where they should make the minor effort to check.

Anyway off to bed now.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Feb 2013 06:52:10 GMT
Steven says:
I agree with this, compare this place with the US forum and we are extremely welcoming-- I fear for the safety of an spammer on the forums over there lol.

I think that most readers were welcoming towards the self-pubs-- you only have to look at things like the freebie thread on the kindle forum to see how many indie books are being downloaded and often commented on posetively. I think the problem was that a few authors over-did it prompting some on the forums here to turn against all indies.
MTM is a great example of an author who has stayed around to join in the discussions and I always find her posts amusing and what she is saying always contributes to a discussion.

Posted on 8 Feb 2013 09:43:43 GMT
Oh dear, that's come out wrong. You guys ARE welcoming now... sorry I didn't mean to come across as saying that it's like that NOW - I may have edited it afterwards - but around the time of the ban it was definitely a little bit dodgy and there is still a certain sensitive feel. I quite understand why that is and Nell Gavin demonstrated that it cuts both ways and yes, that the .com forums are mental. Indeed, I never go there. A debate over there is shouting your view more and more loudly until the other person goes away.

With regards to talking about books, well, to be honest, I do find, that in real life, that my mates ask me about my books every now and again, just the way that, when people meet in a normal environment they'll ask how life's going, how x, y or z is and how work is going. Writing is quite hard so people who do it tend to love what they do and that means they have an irritating tendency to talk about it. I do sometimes feel that a lot of us regarded as spammers, whether or not that's our intention. I'm not sure I'm putting this well... I suppose what I am trying to say is that there are a lot of author-gits around and I just wish people would take those of us who are not gits at face value, for who they are, rather than tarring us all with the same brush. It would be nice to see a few more background checks conducted before the 'j'accuse'.

Nell Gavin overreacted but the fact is, she posted a link to a book she'd enjoyed that was not her own and got a bit of a telling off, for no better reason than that other people, who were idiots, and who had nothing to do with her, had plugged their own books. She took the down votes literally which was very silly because every post has one or two downvotes and it means nothing. It's really hard to get a feel for the communications that happen naturally face to face in a written forum but I think, perhaps, that when we're not in a person's presence, looking into their eyes, it's easier to be more accusatory. It's also much easier for something that is written in one tone to be read in another. I suppose that's what I was trying to say and that perhaps we should forgive her for being human. I 'met' her on the forums here when I first joined, I dunno, 3 or 4 years ago now (?) and she seemed like a decent person (even if she is a writer). She behaved honourably, she didn't spam, she didn't mention her book unless asked or unless she was talking to other writers. I suppose I was trying to point out that she's not as much of a prima as that little exchange makes out that from what I knew of her when she was here it's the exception rather than the rule.

Sales is not a dirty word. It's something authors have to do, with varying degrees of success. Many authors are absolutely dire at doing it. Personally, I find it very hard to promote myself, even though I've actually managed to write a book I like, so I tend to ignore that side of things and hope it goes away. The way to sell books, really, is to find a forum where you can talk knowledgeably and enthusiastically about something else, or something related. So in my view, the place to actually try and 'sell' my book is not here. I don't know if that's typical but if it helps, that's one author's view. So, for me forums are the work colleagues I don't have because writing is a solitary profession. I come here to chat about books (I like SP because they're cheap) chat to people who love books and yes, chat to other authors. Sure, if anyone buys my books after reading my posts well, that's lovely, but it isn't why I, personally, am here. Although I do sometimes feel that nothing I can say or do will convince anyone that I'm telling the truth when I say that. Phnark!

S Morris and Marand, I haven't met you guys before so hello.

Everyone, I hope my ramblings make some sense.



In reply to an earlier post on 8 Feb 2013 09:49:44 GMT
gille liath says:
To be fair I think they have a different attitude on Kindle. They're all workin' for the man...

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Feb 2013 09:54:08 GMT
Last edited by the author on 8 Feb 2013 09:55:06 GMT
gille liath says:
Yeah, I don't think she was told off for her original post (was she?); she just got a couple of no-votes and massively overreacted. If not for that we wouldn't have had anything to say.

Posted on 8 Feb 2013 10:17:50 GMT
True and I know I said at the time that downvotes are pathetic and don't mean anything.

S Morris thanks for being so very nice about me, I didn't see that bit (doh).

To be honest, I know I'm preaching to the converted round here... so there we go, I've been illustrating my own point, dragging my scars from other fora into here! Mwah haha hargh! I got absolutely flamed on .com for suggesting a bit of moderation might be a good thing on the Badly Behaved Authors thread. It was so bad it was funny, one of them had a complete loop.



In reply to an earlier post on 8 Feb 2013 10:18:42 GMT
Absolutely no getting away from the fact she overreacted. I agree.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Feb 2013 10:20:57 GMT
gille liath says:
Sounds like I should have a look - maybe pick up a few tips? :)

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Feb 2013 13:17:49 GMT
Marand says:
Hello (waves!)

Posted on 8 Feb 2013 14:00:27 GMT
It was a long time ago. A bunch of people got on the thread and posted jokes until it hit 9999 so they had to start again, I think they've hit thread number three now. They are completely loo-loo though, bless 'em, although I can say what I like there because they all have me on ignore anyway. Phnark.



In reply to an earlier post on 8 Feb 2013 16:52:26 GMT
Mark says:
Totally agree. What did she think was going to happen anyway? Most of us who have self published books can't advertise in any other way.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Feb 2013 21:11:01 GMT
Awesome Indies is a good place to look for good indie novels.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Feb 2013 21:50:57 GMT
Last edited by the author on 8 Feb 2013 21:51:58 GMT
I agree, I follow them. They are compiling stats at the mo, their latest post is about how many books fail the cut, the basic gist was that lots do but that the ones that don't are a good read... Which is nice because both my books are on there, mwah ha haha hargh (says she ruining her I-don't-mention-my-book-EVER credibility). The first one has the seal of approval, I haven't tried for the the second one as it needs a bit more of an edit first and I'm waiting until the series is done for that.

Edited to add, OK that's the exception that proves the rule, I won't mention them again unless asked, I promise. ;-)


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