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Recommend me a great self published book

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In reply to an earlier post on 5 Feb 2013 21:27:04 GMT
gille liath says:
Indeed, a lot of these spamming posts are a terrible advert for the authors - cf. Mr Maj Nocher a few posts ago.

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Feb 2013 22:28:13 GMT
Hmm. The problem, and irony, is that this post itself has mistakes. Can you *really* not see it?

Posted on 6 Feb 2013 00:20:16 GMT
Nell Gavin says:
Wool (Wool Trilogy 1)series by Hugh Howey. However, he sold the print rights to a major publisher and has a movie deal, so he's a hybrid. But it took him several self-published books to get there.

Posted on 6 Feb 2013 03:43:58 GMT
CameandWent says:
Nazi Time Machine 2014
Little Clark

Posted on 6 Feb 2013 08:01:20 GMT
Mel Comley says:
The Righteous (Righteous Series #1) by Michael Wallace was one of my best Indie books last year. Amazon's thriller imprint Thomas and Mercer actually signed him up.

Posted on 6 Feb 2013 12:35:07 GMT
Nell Gavin says:
So what are the rules here? You mark any post that makes a recommendation "Unhelpful," regardless of the book or the author, even when it isn't the author making the recommendation?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 12:46:34 GMT
Anita says:
No rules. :) Anyone vote as they want to.

I feel tempted to agree about the Wool though - kind of, I haven't read it. But I'm really interested to try this one

Posted on 6 Feb 2013 13:01:57 GMT
Nell Gavin says:
So there are no rules, but people simply "feel" like voting every suggestion as "Unhelpful?" Is there a reason for that? Can we delve into the psyches of forum participants? Can we sort the forum participants from the forum rats? Or is there even any way to differentiate?

Or have I stumbled onto a thread that is insincere on every level - all forum rats all the time - with authors pretending to recommend books that are really their own, and readers pretending to care about books, but only lurking to attack authors and their books?

I'm stepping away now. Carry on. Have a nice-ish day.

Posted on 6 Feb 2013 14:35:34 GMT
Sou'Wester says:
Confess I'm puzzled by some of the "No" voting on these threads (though respecting that everyone has a right to vote as they please). Seems perfectly reasonable to down-vote the spammers and self-promoters, but to describe what seem to be perfectly genuine, unbiased posts/recommendations as "not adding to the discussion" is very strange. It may be that the antics of the self-pluggers have made us so wary that any recommendation has started to look suspect; if that is the case it's very sad and it's another reason to condemn those who do misuse these forums.
The only things I would add are: (1) If you are a spammer or self-promoter please go away, but (2) If you are submitting genuine posts and recommendations don't be put off by "No" votes.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 14:41:19 GMT
Anita says:
That's the sad doing of spammers I daresay. People no vote automatically. In my opinion recommendation of something like Wool probably *is* genuine...

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 15:04:07 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Feb 2013 15:08:45 GMT
gille liath says:
Unfortunately a lot of people use the no-vote just to register their disapproval, in this case presumably of self-publishing in general.

It's silly but not surprising; they're fed up of being spammed all the time. And don't be in too much of a rush to call us rats. For one thing, I don't think the votes are left by people who also post: they're the Great Anonymous Reader out there. For another, you may not have been spamming in that particular post; but since you have an email and website address on your profile page, your agenda here presumably goes beyond just being sociable.

That, at any rate, is the kind of thing we have learnt to suspect...

Posted on 6 Feb 2013 15:54:27 GMT
Lol I confess I was a little upset that someone voted my post yesterday unhelpful. They were genuine recommendations. It lasted all of 20 seconds before I got over it though. You can't help everyone :)

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 16:11:25 GMT
Anita says:
Don't get offended about rats. Rats are...

Oops. Sorry :)

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 17:07:30 GMT
donegalgirl says:
Perhaps people are worried that one author promotes another author's book(s) as a way of getting around the ban on self-promotion and this is reciprocated and so the whole thing goes on. There used to be a lot of that and it would be understandable if people were suspicious.

Posted on 6 Feb 2013 17:16:38 GMT
To be truthful, I didn't read all the forum before my post and thus didn't know it was frowned upon,,

Posted on 6 Feb 2013 17:22:18 GMT
All my posts are voted unhelpful. Most of the time there's no rhyme or reason, I have always assumed it's a some kind of protocol that someone somewhere has devised that just no-votes every new post on certain threads.

Nell Gavin is not actually mentioning her own books she's a respected, well-behaved author - a successful one - and is one of the people who gave me some much needed pointers as to how to behave when I first turned up on here.

And Mrs R Spicer, I see you've offended the downvote fairies. Phnark.

Seriously though, the voting button means nothing, I take no notice of it, never have.



Posted on 6 Feb 2013 17:40:11 GMT
To be fair, I didn't know that recommending your own books was frowned upon in this thread, as I had read little of it before posting,,

Posted on 6 Feb 2013 17:44:33 GMT
Sorry for posting that twice, took ages to get to the forum and I thought it hadn't,,

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 19:26:22 GMT
They are the down-vote fairies. They linger and loiter, and pounce according to an obscure set of rules which only they understand.

Revel in it - you've only made it when you've attracted at least two DVFs, preferably ones who follow you from one forum to another.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 19:29:23 GMT
That's fair enough, but there are guidelines that are given to self-published authors which they can - and should - read before they even upload their book. There are announcements in quite a few places, and it is usually a good idea to read a few threads in any forum to get a sense of the type of conversation, and what protocols there are.

Amazon's ban on self-promotion outside the MOA has been in existence for over a year, now (in the UK - getting on for two years in the US).

You're lucky, though. Although UK forum users *will* and *do* point out that self-promotion isn't allowed, we are generally nicer about it than people on the US forums. Self-promote there at your peril! :-)

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 19:56:49 GMT
gille liath says:
Yeah, and even if it's not being deliberately orchestrated it's pretty obvious that SP authors feel they 'hang together' (if only), and are positive about each others' books because they hope it may improve the image of SP in general.

At any rate, you see scarcely anyone on here with SP books to recommend, unless they are also publishing themselves.

Anyhow, if Nell Gavin is as thin skinned as that Amazon forums are no place for her.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 21:45:39 GMT
Marand says:
"At any rate, you see scarcely anyone on here with SP books to recommend, unless they are also publishing themselves."

Very true. It is difficult I know to get the word around and it is perhaps a shame that some forum participants may assume there is a risk of round robin promotion, but to some extent some SP authors have only themselves to blame for the current situation. They promoted relentlessly and plugged the books of other authors on a reciprocal basis and, hey ho, the non-author forum users started to rebel against it. I have a degree of sympathy for the authors who didn't over-promote but who are subject to the restriction of promos to the MOA forum but that course of action became almost inevitable because of those who seemed to be incapable of moderation.

I seem to recall that Ms Gavin was a regular on the general forums before the restrictions were imposed so she should be aware of the cause and effect but having a hissy fit and referring to forum participants as rats is hardly going to win support. Given she seems to be an American, and based on my observations of the .com forums, I am somewhat surprised she has reacted so intemperately - the US forums are far less forgiving!

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 22:15:05 GMT
gille liath says:
So she was on the forum a lot when spamming was allowed - or rather, hadn't specifically been prohibited - but now isn't?

That appears to speak for itself, then.

Posted on 6 Feb 2013 22:52:27 GMT
I read self-pubbed books because of the cost. It's the only way I can feed my addiction lol. I was recovering from surgery last month and managed to get through 58 books in 31 days. Of those, I'd recommend maybe three to other people. The rest were either terrible or forgettable. I don't promote the work of others because I think they'll promote mine in return. I just don't see the point of recommending rubbish books. That it's dishonest is the main reason, but surely recommending bad books reflects badly on those that do it? If someone recommended something awful to me I'd never trust them again.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 23:01:56 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Feb 2013 23:52:06 GMT
Marion Stein says:
"'s pretty obvious that SP authors feel they 'hang together' (if only), and are positive about each others' books because they hope it may improve the image of SP in general."

I don't think it's as simple as that. Most self-published writers agree with the general consensus that most self-published books - excluding their own - are pretty lousy. Some of them don't even read other self-published books. However, a lot of them are open to reading books regardless of how they are published. And just like voracious readers in some of the reader "communities" (romance and thrillers for example), they've discovered that there are some good self-published books (besides their own). If there's an over-representation of people here that happen to be self-published, it's because they are also the most likely to have read self-published books. If the thread title had been "recommend me a great science-fiction book," I'd expect that most people participating in the thread would have read several. That's not to say that self-published books are a genre, but the truth is that outside of genres like romance, thrillers, sci-fi etc, most readers don't read a lot of self-published books, and certainly readers that don't often read fiction electronically, are unlikely to have ever read any self-published books.

My tastes tend to run toward what is sometimes termed "literary fiction" -- writing that is character driven, with underlying themes, and complexity. Most readers of that kind of fiction won't go near self-published books, unless they also happen to write and are self-published. I think that's a shame. Not only because I happen to write that kind of fiction, and I'd love to have more people connect with my work, but because I've read some terrific books that fit my criteria and happen to be self-published. But I don't magically believe that being "positive" about these books will "improve the image of SP in general." Believe me, I doubt there's anything I can do to "improve the image of SP in general." That's a pretty big task and I'm not the boss of the gazillions of people who upload to kindle every day. I do, however, believe that if a reader happened to check out one of the self-published books I think is great, while he or she might not share my opinion, he or she would have to acknowledge that these books were competently written and up to a publishable standard. If someone is inclined to read self-published books, and has actually come to a thread to see recommendations, it's seems to me it's nice thing to point them toward good ones (especially given the lack of a filter for these books).

A couple of the writers I think have written great books also admire my writing. I can't really do anything about that. That's their business. There are also writers who admire my work that I haven't gotten around to reading yet, quite a few I will never read, and some I've read but pretend not to have gotten to yet in order not to hurt anybody's feelings. I am not recommending any of their books.

Things that are "obvious" to you, may not be so obvious to others. Given that you don't approve of self-published books or the people who write them, it's not obvious to me why you swooped down to this thread in the first place or why you have stayed here so long. If you thought some posts were in violation of the TOS, you can simply report abuse. So why exactly are you hanging around?

Also, speaking of hanging.... I'm not sure if I'm getting your humor(?) It may be cultural (I'm from New York). Your use of the word "hang" specifically. Were you referring to Franklin's phrase? Ironically, although he was an American, we don't use it much in the States. Or did you mean "hang" as in "hang out"? Were you trying to imply both in some clever way? Following it with the phrase "if only" of course implies -- if I'm getting it -- that you'd like to see all self-published writers die together by the noose. That's a little extreme, isn't it? Or was that sarcasm? With that dry English wit, I'm never quite sure.

Also why end your post with a comment in which you name someone who left the thread and imply that the person is "thin skinned"? Maybe she had more important things to do.
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