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In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2011 00:53:46 BDT
Tushmore says:
Haha! Joel I luv you! you made me LOL with that. I've started to get a bit of a rep among my writing chums as 'the perv', which just makes me laugh. When I beta read their work I ask, are there any sex scenes? XD
MANGA!! love manga, mostly for the homoerotic undertones! Pervs unite...
LOVE horror films. Yes they're rubbish these days. Went to a London attraction recently, they added in a 'scary' walk with 'real live actors' to come out and scare you.
The only thing that scared me was their bad acting! I pity the youth of today if that's what is there to entertain them!!
For a modern horror, really enjoyed Drag Me To Hell, and Let The Right One In (havent seen the remake yet)

You're an author arent you Joel? Got any titles I'd like? ;p

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2011 01:19:37 BDT
Last edited by the author on 8 Apr 2011 01:36:47 BDT
Joel, Holden says:
You're a perv too????? HI!! OH yes sex passages are a must. Yep, manga's great. i now can read standing on my head . i love horror films definitely. I've not sen the remake of LET THE RIGHT ONE IN, but the original is a classic. Why remake it? MONEY. Jerks in monster costumes? No one with a chainsaw I hope. Yes, i liked very much DRAG ME TO HELL and the remake of WIZARD OF GORE which deserved to be noticed.
I try to be a writer. My books at both amazons, but ANTONIO AND BREE isn't here. If it doesn't show up, I'll send you a copy. It has sex in it and love. I really like it. I hope they did not take it off. If they did, I'll edit it and put it back on. I write gay stories and lots of horror. I always feel bad about doing this, but here is a link to some of my work.
Man I hope they didn't take that story down.
Take care Melanie. Say hi to the UK for me. And how much money do you think those people got for dressing up as monsters. It's been fun talking with you.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2011 01:34:05 BDT
Tushmore says:
Oh Joel, "OH yes sex passages are a must." Ahahaha. You don't say!

Have you seen Dead Snow? Thoroughly recommend! subtitles scandinavian film, totally awesome.

Hm no, no chainsaw actors, they obv couldnt afford the props! they just kinda leapt out of the dark and shouted in your ear. I would call that a minor annoyance than actually scary. I shall pen a letter to the manager...

So any saucy recommendations? lol

Have you read this? Wraeththu Omnibus

Storm Constantine, the Wraeththu trilogy is basically a fantasy drama gay. Love it

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2011 01:39:30 BDT
Joel, Holden says:
Hi again. I accidentally posted while I was still writing. So there's more stuff here!!!. I will answer you tomorrow. Thanks lots.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2011 05:45:50 BDT
Last edited by the author on 8 Apr 2011 05:46:49 BDT
Joel, Holden says:
That is perfect--a minor annoyance . You are now reading the words of a proud owner of THE PRICE OF FALLING. Thank you. I know I'll enjoy it. Great, thank you for the recommendations. I just finished watching again MYSTERIOUS SKIN. Just an incredible film. It's so scary and so sad. On the plus side, Joseph Gordon-Levitt. And wow the product placements in this film. My God. Oh, have you ever seen STRAIGHT JACKET. I love William Castle films. Joan Crawford in this one has a flashback to when she was in her 20's. It's ridiculous. black wig, flashy dress and lots of bracelets as she is walking off the train with bluesy music and the narrator in a heartfelt voice says "She was ALLLLL woman." Saucy movies well it depends on what you like. I better ask what you like first. I should tell you a close friend died in a wreck a month ago so I'm kind of rocky here. Take care

Posted on 8 Apr 2011 13:08:57 BDT
Minne says:
Hello - just to let you know that goodreads has a M/M group - the group is made up of authors and readers - they read and discuss books all the time and there are lists for everyting you could want to know in this genre - jessewave is a review site and that's useful too - so if you are an author these are good places to raise your profile.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2011 13:14:17 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2011 13:38:01 BDT
Hi Melanie,

It's really hard to describe. While its is based around gay characters, it moves in several different directions. It's like day to day events in the narators life that take on a wierd direction. It does not fit into any specific genre, I believe, although it is essentially a Gay Novel. One would have to read my draft to perhaps understand. But thank you for your kind comments.


Posted on 8 Apr 2011 14:46:52 BDT
Trish says:
I'm really enjoying Nick Alexander's books. It's the first gay literature I've read so I can't say how the books compare with any others, but good stories, well written and characters that I can identify and empathise with and that's as a straight woman.

Posted on 8 Apr 2011 15:09:36 BDT
Last edited by the author on 8 Apr 2011 15:15:55 BDT
In my not-yet-published Romantic Suspsense books I have gay, lesbian and bisexual characters scattered here or there, but I don't think of myself as writing "gay fiction" per se. I write Romantic Suspense. Just like in real life, there are people with different tastes and ideas and experiences wherever you look--including in a fictional world built to be balanced and sadly, more like real life than...real life ;-) A friend of mine (who is gay and a screenwriter) once said to me he thinks that representation of the homosexual community in all forms of the arts (movies, books, etc.) is going to have to take the same path whites forced upon blacks in the last 100 years: either everyone in the story is gay or no one is. It'll be a while yet (sadly) before a character is many things, ONE of which is gay.

I take exception to that, though I think John is probably fairly correct overall, because I think the recent film A SINGLE MAN, starring the amazing (and straight) Colin Firth did a fabulous job of "normalizing" a gay man's loss of his partner. That film was such a phenomenal study of humanity and love--human love, not gay love or straight love, just HUMAN love of another human being. The fact it barely got accolades despite its visual richness, cinematography and incredible writing speaks volumes for the world's ongoing homophobia. But such is the reality we have. We can only change the world WE are in, one person at a time, starting with ourselves. Let me promote someone else's book for a start :]

I'm a member of Authonomy, the Harper Collins web site where authors and readers and publishing professionals allegedly all mingle (all I seem to see are authors and wannabe authors but it might be because I hang out in the publishing related forums). One new author there has just released a thriller which seems to be rising up the charts of LGBT related fiction. I don't think Debbie has marketed Hamelin's Child as "gay fiction" but it sure seems to appeal to that market. I have not, personally, read her book but I have run across her on Authonomy and she's intelligent and seems quite nice. If I didn't already have a double stack of DTBs sitting on my night stand waiting in queue for me to read them, I'd probably give Hamelin's Child a read as I bet Debbie writes a fun story. It's pretty short, too, only about 85,000 words according to Debbie's own description. Here's her Product Detail (you'll see from this description why I say it sure doesn't SOUND like gay fiction but I guess if you touch on anything remotely LGBT friendly these days, you're suddenly categorized as "gay fiction"?? for thought and discussion elsethread)

About Hamelin's Child
Michael Redford died on his seventeenth birthday - the night Eddie picked him up off the street, shot him full of heroin and assaulted him.

Now he's Mikey and he works for Joss. With streaked blond hair and a cute smile, he sleeps by day and services clients at night. Sometimes he remembers his old life, but with what he's become now, he knows there is no return to his comfortable middle-class background.

Then he makes a friend in Lee. A child of the streets, Lee demands more from friendship than Mikey is prepared to give. But the police are closing in on them now and Mikey's not sure anymore who he really is - streetwise Mikey or plain Michael Redford.

Hamelin's Child was long-listed in the UK Crime Writers' Association Debut Dagger Award. A thriller set in the seedy world of London's drug rings, this book contains strong scenes and adult material.

Coming Home (Dicky's Story)
A Romantic Comedy / Jewish Inspirational by Sarah R. Yoffa (March, 21, 2011)
(not even remotely like my Romantic Suspense work - just sayin')

Posted on 8 Apr 2011 16:02:20 BDT
Tushmore says:
Joel, Barry! darlin, sounds like you need some cheery or heart warming stories at the moment. Not sure if I've got any in the LGBT genre but whenever I'm down I read this; its set in the English countryside and makes me laugh out loud every time, especially the cranky boyfriend and eccentric posh woman!
Pastures Nouveaux

Thanks for the recommendations! I've put yours on my wish list; you've written loads! How long have you been writing?
And thank you for downloading mine! I'm just about holding myself back from editing it again, after getting some feedback from a friend :o/ lol!! oh well, you can't please everyone i suppose!!

@Brendan, aha, well you might find the same problem I faced - finding a publisher to approach that isn't specifically LGBT or specifically Erotica.
I wish I still had my 'normal' plotline Gay themed books to check who the publisher was. That'll teach me to lend them out!!

@Minnie, ah how cool! I only discovered Goodread on facebum the other day, ill have a look for the MM group. (not marilyn manson, i hope?! lols)


In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2011 16:59:31 BDT
Last edited by the author on 8 Apr 2011 17:14:05 BDT
Minnie wrote:
"Hello - just to let you know that goodreads has a M/M group - the group is made up of authors and readers - they read and discuss books all the time and there are lists for everyting you could want to know in this genre"

Minnie, I looooove Goodreads ( - ck out my one and only snippet there, which is definitely edge sex though it's more about the guy who was kidnapped being tortured--and refusing to break)

Where is the M/M group - got a linkiness you can share here? ETA: is it this one by chance?

Melanie, maybe I'm being naive or missing the sarcasm, but assuming you really don't know what "M/M" stands for, usually it's referring to man-on-man sex, as in a scene where gay men are engaged in sexual acts. Maintstream publishers here in the US (where I am) have historically called this ....I dunno, all sorts of things other than just "sex" which is kind of insulting. One of the best and most landmark break throughs was when Suzanne Brockmann (who writes "sweet" romances and in 20 years her body of work has hit the NYT Best Seller list almost every single time) wrote All Through the Night: A Troubleshooter Christmas where in Jules Cassidy, the openly gay male FBI agent we've all known and loved for something like 12 books at that point FINALLY gets to fall in love and have a "Happily Ever After" (HEA) though Ballantine tightwads insisted Suz take out the M/M sex scene. It was awful. Depiste their Puritanism, All Through the Night: A Troubleshooter Christmas *entered* the NYT Best Seller list on its first day at *tah dah* #7. And then went up to #3. Jules Cassidy's M/M sex scene was one of the most anticipated HEA's in the mainstream romance market ever--fans waited over a decade for Jules to get laid. When he finally did, it was a fade to black scene. Ballantine lost a lot of respect after that, but at least they've never again made Suz remove PDAs between two male characters and she still has a closeted lesbian who needs a HEA so that may be next :) One can only hope.

When Best Selling authors take the plunge and break the barriers, the genre walls can start to come down. All Through the Night: A Troubleshooter Christmas is a great short story but Force of Nature: A Novel (Troubleshooters) where Jules first admits his love to Robin is better. Nothing was cut out of that one! It slipped -- right under Ballantine's careful radar since they were jsut on the lookout for open M/M sex scenes. The idiots.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2011 17:15:39 BDT
Hi Melanie,

It is a gay novel. But I'm not sure as you point out if it could be labled as LGBT. Most of the persons in it have gay sex at various stages although this is not graphically illustrated and therefore could not be refarred to as Erotica. If I was forced to describe it perhaps I would call it maybe "Gay Existentiallism" if that makes any sense. Hope you get your borrowed books back.


Posted on 8 Apr 2011 17:29:37 BDT
Tushmore says:
@Webbiegirl, haha yeah i was teasing. i am ALL about the male/male.

Yeah Id like a link to it too, im getting INTERNET BLINDNESS from perusing too many new forums, sites etc and im going to cry! lol xx

@Brendan, yeah similar to mine darlin. It's hard to target publishers then, the same question I was asking people was, do I aim for specifically Gay themed publishers and/or all the other 'normal' ones too?

Lol I don't think those books are coming back to me... Ah well!

The only thought I had was Random House (Poppy Z Brite's old publisher, but kinda looks like shes fallen out with them now!) as she almost always wrote male/male.

If I think of any more I'll post here! Next time I'm in the book shop I'll make a note of all the publishers in the Gay/Lesbian section!

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2011 18:41:37 BDT
Last edited by the author on 8 Apr 2011 20:35:31 BDT
Joel, Holden says:
oh yes, and thank you for wanting to help, Would not believe it, but I really am funny around friends. Written loads Editing is there with brain surgery, I've learned to say, oh I meant that. Yes, I did. Well, what do you think? YES, Exactly, you got IT! no, just write what I can. Mostly, like now, I feel pretty silly like always about what I write. SO--i loved KILLER KLOWNS FROM OUTER SPACE---'cept from framework, totally original. And the second story in BODY BAGS,. Classic ideas, i have trouble with gay novels and films. I can't really explain--so it's why i started writing hay stories.The love part was difficult to find. I hope to read your book Melanie and congratulations, is it your first?
take care,
Store that guess for next time.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2011 20:38:32 BDT
Joel, Holden says:
I was so dull in my email, I changed some.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2011 22:43:29 BDT
@Melanie - do click through to the link I posted. Even if it is not the exact same one referred to in the earlier post, it is a fabulous group. I joined it (got approved almost immediately) and have spent the last 2 hrs poking around and have BARELY touched the surface! There's so much content there. Mostly, it's VORACIOUS readers of M/M Romance who are reading HUGE amounts of ...well, M/M Romance :) If you want to read gay fiction and need authors, titles, links, that group sure does have it. And then some! I'm totally overwhelmed with information, which if you knew me, would be fairly absurd to suggest. I am as "full of it" as I am prolific in my postings. *LOL* But I am truly overwhelmed by the breadth and scope of postings on that group and definitely overwhelmed by how much reading these people are doing. Some of them are reading a book a day!! Yikes. I bow to them in awe (and I bow to NO ONE *muahahaha*)


Posted on 8 Apr 2011 22:58:59 BDT
Tushmore says:
@Barry, oh hun, lol dont sweat it ;p
haha, my friend made a movie called Zombie Women Of Satan [2009] [DVD]
I think he was going for the guy ritchie makes a zombie movie theme. i would assume its straight!! or has some lesbian-lite in it (from knowing him anyway, thats my guess)

Whats hay fiction??

Lol yes it is my first novel to see the light of day! It's hard to let something escape my edit crazy hands, but at least with an ebook you can edit whenever you like!

@Webbiegrrl, aha, found the link! im obvs blind... XD

Posted on 8 Apr 2011 23:03:54 BDT
Tushmore says:
ps. if anyone's on twit-ter or Facefart feel free to add me, ill add you if i can see a link to your profile.
you've all been lovely to chat to

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2011 23:28:19 BDT
Debbie says:
Thanks for the plug, Sarah. There is a reason why I haven't deliberately promoted Hamelin's Child as gay fiction. My story deals with sexual abuse and drug abuse. I didn't want to be accused of negatively stereotyping gay sex as rape. There is, in fact, a rather graphic gay rape scene about 1/4 way into the book - I've been assured by my beta readers (whose opinions I respect massively), that is isn't gratuitous and is necessary and even vital to the plot and the reviews I've had so far seem to bear that out, fortunately (I did have several moments of doubt). In contrast, there's a kind of simmering, sweet not-quite-there gay relationship in there too. But I didn't want to appeal to readers who were just out to read gay erotica and then insult their intelligence/offend them.


In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2011 23:34:26 BDT
Tushmore says:
always a difficult path to tread!
And yet theres plenty of people (myself included) who enjoy Gay erotica but also a 'normal' story, or even just implied male/male in the story line.

good luck with it all! where are you aiming it at, if you dont mind my asking? :)

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2011 23:39:41 BDT
Joel, Holden says:
congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, the ebook is always changing. Do you have text to speak? Incredibly helpful. oh here's the link ANTONIO AND BREE: A SPREE does have its share of sex. Hopefully good story. Melanie, thank you for putting some of my stories on your wish list. No one has before and its nice of you. For writing and for a terrific discussion group. Always fun.
a-hem--hay fiction takes place, well, in the hay, so there should be a farm around it--and--well-as on the 1st page of Larry Flynt's autobiography, there are poultry that one gets to know a bit better than one should on a farm in the warm hay on a cold winter night, should one live on a farm in the long ago--that is hay fiction-just what I meant:)))if of course one were stupid enough to sleep in a barn in the cold especially.
That's great about your friend's movie! I'll try to get a copy.
have a excellent weekend.

Posted on 8 Apr 2011 23:41:06 BDT
Debbie says:
@Melanie. Not sure what you mean? It's an adult psychological thriller. I'm quite happy if people want to read it as gay erotica, but I wouldn't feel comfortable marketing it as such. Some of the scenes are most definitely not meant to be titillating.


Posted on 9 Apr 2011 00:04:05 BDT
Tushmore says:
@Debbie, oh yeah i understand that hun. was just saying that even avid fans of erotica enjoy other titles too, crime, thriller for eg.
A good story is a good story at the end of the day! and if there's any implied feelings with the characters i see that as a plus, or let the reader decide. (Love 'implied', ambiguous and all that:)

Good luck with it all :)

@Barry, ah no worries! hopefully ill actually purchase whats in my wish list when ive consulted the bank... hah!
lol! so is 'hay fiction' just a general romp novel, or does it have to be set on a farm??
(im assuming the former, rather than the latter!)

Lol i think you can watch a trailer for the film if you so wish, that would give you an idea about it. i havent actually seen it, how bad is that? naughty me. cant say im a fan of guy ritchie style films tho!

The Walking Dead, now that was awesome! and starring the very lovely, very British Andrew Lincoln! lol


Posted on 9 Apr 2011 02:07:02 BDT
Ahh, Debbie, see now this is why one should never promote a book one hasn't actually read. I was trying to help--as I can see you realized--but I'm so glad I mentioned it to you so that you could come on by and clarify your book for yourself. I knew only that there were gay characters.
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