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Posted on 2 Jun 2012 00:50:21 BDT
I feel like I've just walked into a trap. Oh dear.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 15:56:02 BDT
gille liath says:
A trap? Who's in danger from whom? ;)

No, I just wondered if it might be a cue for you to tell me about your round-the-world travels...and the books you've written about them. Or something.

I had a look at your profile page, and had to laugh at the comment about 'having to sell yourself', etc. You don't like having to do that, do you? And then a sentence or two later, just to make sure we're quite clear about respecting your privacy, your web page address! :D

On the other hand I didn't know you'd written three actual, for-real books. Suitably impressed.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 16:05:21 BDT
Well, I mean those 'about me' pages. I like swimming, riding, reading... bla bla. Used to have 'wearing my hats upside down' in that section. They always sound like those profiles on dating sites. Glad I made you laugh, though. ;-)

Doesn't have anything to do with being private. As soon as you publish a book, you sort of are a public figure. Pen name or not -- especially if you self-publish.
Just a quick correction: four for-real books, one is still in editing stage, but will be released this year after I have finished my current WIP which Ryan won't read. (He said so.)

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 16:32:11 BDT
gille liath says:
I meant to say 'published'. After all, everyone's written at least one book - haven't they?

Laugh in a good way - with, not at.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 16:36:01 BDT
Thank you, for laughing with not at me. :-)

I know a lot of people who haven't written a book and, curious enough, even people who don't read, at all. Just the papers and often only the headlines.

So you are telling me now that you've written a book? Published? Planning to? Did you break any rules?

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 16:37:46 BDT
gille liath says:
I bet you don't know anyone who isn't at least writing a book. Even the paper boy. Some just keep it quieter than others...

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 16:43:48 BDT
I know plenty of people who don't write anything. I mean it. Two have said they'd like to write a book, but probably never get around it. Most of my friends are either non-readers or readers only.

You'll know quickly, because as soon as people learn you're an author, they come out of their shell and tell you they are writing, too.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 19:44:28 BDT
gille liath says:
Obviously you have a literal cast of mind. :)

Okay, not absolutely everybody - maybe not the paper boy. Still, as you see, it doesn't always work. I didn't say anything right away, did I? That's because I don't think there's anything particularly impressive about merely *trying* to write; tbh, there isn't always anything that impressive even about succeeding. I've found that to be told someone is writing a novel carries about as much weight as being told they're getting engaged. That is, at most it's a statement of intention, not achievement. I wait till they actually book the venue for the wedding reception - that's when I take notice.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 20:01:21 BDT
Couldn't agree more. Everyone may have a book in them, but is the book good as well? That remains to be seen.

Trying isn't good enough, once you finish it, you have succeeded over those who just try, and once you've learned and edited, then published, you, once again, are a step ahead of those who just finish. And when you sell, you're in the game. But it still doesn't make you writer, for you need to continue to write.

I never wanted to be a writer or author. I only wanted to write this one book I had in me. It still hasn't come out. Only partly in the book that still needs editing.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 20:07:11 BDT
gille liath says:
Well said.

What's stopping it coming out then?

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 20:11:13 BDT
Last edited by the author on 2 Jun 2012 20:17:59 BDT
Have other things to write about that may be more interesting/entertaining.

Fiction is a great tool to train your brain; it requires more work. Is yours a work of fiction or more autobiographical?

By the way. This time it's you. :-)

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 20:18:29 BDT
Last edited by the author on 2 Jun 2012 20:19:48 BDT
gille liath says:
Oh, I've had a go at just about every type of writing there is at some point. My collected (unpublished) works would fill a small shelf. Well, several ring binders anyway.

Part of my problem is, once I've written something I feel I've got it out of my system and find it difficult to take any further interest in it. I can't muster up the necessary pushiness and persistence. And even worse, the publishing world (on the occasions I have asked its opinion) seems to share the same feeling... :(

(I always consider my time well spent if I can distract someone from what they're supposed to be doing.)

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 20:28:31 BDT
Last edited by the author on 2 Jun 2012 20:29:52 BDT
Then you aren't ready yet. Writing is hard work, despite what everyone else tells you. Editing/rewriting is even harder and that may put many others off the 'job'. You may be a writer/storyteller, but not have it in you to be an author (yet), because for that you need to be masochistic and prepared to do extended surgery on the baby, if needed. Maybe one day, you'll find someone to help you, to cheer you on and push you further. Good and constructive criticism helps a lot to muster up the energy to reach perfection.

And the publishing world has always something to nag. Don't mind them.

(Naughty, Gille. It was nice being distracted by you. Had an afternoon nap and wasn't able to think straight away anyway.)

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 20:49:45 BDT
gille liath says:
Okay, milady. I take both my dismissals in good part. ;)

Bye for now.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 20:51:29 BDT
Good night, sir.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 02:43:32 BDT
SX Woman says:
If someone wants to write a book without punctuation, it's their right to do so. But I would stop reading as soon as I realised the punctuation is missing. I just hope the author does not speak as he writes.

Posted on 3 Jun 2012 02:52:37 BDT
SX Woman says:
At school we were told never to start a sentence with And. As I was at a church school, I wish I pointed out that it cannot be wrong. as many sentences in the Bible start with And.
On the other 'and, I would have probably got punished for being cheeky if I did that.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 10:59:03 BDT
Complete without punctuation? That's impossible, unless it's poetry. But punctuation has its purpose, so it should be used.

Dialogue doesn't necessarily need to be punctuated, but it needs a very good hand and skilled writer, so the reader can still follow.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 11:02:07 BDT
That's hilarious.

I was told the same, by the way. Just a regular German public school: never start a sentence with 'Und'. I stuck to it for many years, a rule that had been hammered into my head. I ignore it now, but overusing it, can be annoying.

Posted on 3 Jun 2012 16:52:19 BDT
i tried writing short articles years ago - got a few rejections - no surpirse there cos i was bored too with what i'd written... sone people just don't have it in them - i look for inspiration, words to say, story to tell and my mind goes a blank - but get me on a forum like this ( or my own arts one) and i can drivel for ages - occasionally be amusing its been said though thats always been real life stuff that i've been talking about. i like making people laugh and there's so much humour in everyday life . hats off to you authors though cos it must be damn hard work and take alot of dedication - do you really find it relaxing in the way i find painting relaxing ? (well- sometimes... when it goes right.. other days its brush and paints at the wall in frustration)

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 17:05:24 BDT
No, it's hard work. Editing is relaxing to me; writing is terror, but I still love it as it keeps my brain occupied.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 20:48:41 BDT
gille liath says:
Don't agree on that one. It's the kind of thing writers think is big and clever but isn't - and maybe, in some cases, covers their own uncertainty about the rules? You could do it as a one-off gimmick, I suppose, as Joyce did; but I don't like authors doing it habitually.

Starting sentences with connectives like 'and' and 'but' - we all do it nowadays, in informal writing. But again, as you say, best not to make a habit of it.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 21:23:28 BDT
Oh, I didn't mean that one should omit dialogue attributes in every book. No. But if you want to experiment, then do it so that the reader can still follow who's talking.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2012 08:37:56 BDT
Catherine says:
I personally don't read books without punctuation. My question is - why? I know some writers do it delibrately but to what end? what ddoes it add to the writing - nothing - only makes it harder for the reader to follow.

Posted on 4 Jun 2012 11:36:42 BDT
J.Yasimoto says:
I might be wrong, but I thought the Romans didn't bother with either punctuation or spaces?

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