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Posted on 27 Sep 2012 13:09:31 BDT
Last edited by the author on 27 Sep 2012 13:13:56 BDT
I am back into writing after a long break - 3 books published in the 1990's - and I would be grateful for any unbiased comments the subscribers to this forum would like to make about their experience of the self-publish process particularly on Kindle. Was it worthwhile, and what was the response from readers.
My books were sf and fairly successful both in UK and elsewhere but the current effort is historical fiction and mildly controversial because the research on which it is based contradicts existing understanding of the subject. I suppose I could sell the ms to a publisher if I tried, but I am not sure I want to spend another three years doing it (that's how long it took to get into publication the first time) and I won't approach my original publisher because we parted company over their attitude to royalty payments and sticking to the contract - I had to stop and wait for all three books to go out of print plus twelve months so that I wouldn't be obliged to submit new work to them, and by that time I was running the family business and just too pre-occupied - thus the long break.
The posts I been reading so far are full of discussion about claims that the site seems to restrict the extent to which writers can self-promote.
This kind of facility wasn't in existence when I published last time, but it seems to me that there are lots of ways of promoting self published work, and I can't blame Amazon for wanting to exert some control. If I am following the discussion accurately, then the last post I read from Sou'wester seems to make a lot of sense. If writers want to self publish then they have to accept some limitations, and set up their own publicity system and pay for it if they want more exposure. So far as I can see the forum ensures a level playing field, and ensures that the best writing gets the best response - with Facebook and other systems in operation readers are bound to let other people know when they like a book, so the response seems to rely on the quality of the work and the originality of the writing.
Shout me down if you feel like it, as I am new to this type of approach, but in any case let me know how you feel about the self-publish experience, particularly if you are producing work like the stuff I have described above.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2012 13:27:52 BDT
I Readalot says:
You will be more likely to get replies if you posted this in the MOA Forum.

Posted on 27 Sep 2012 13:34:45 BDT
MOA forum? please expand - I'm new to this

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2012 13:41:17 BDT
Anita says:
So you post here *without* even reading the OP???

ALL said about MOA there, even the link is given. Are you joking, really?

Posted on 27 Sep 2012 14:21:12 BDT
oh how I hate this modern preoccupation with initials. No am not joking. I use a computer as a word processor. I am not on Facebook. I came upon the Amazon book site because I buy books, and I can find out of print fiction there. OP? MOA? I aksed for help, so explain. If you want to be sarcastic try another target.

Posted on 27 Sep 2012 14:22:17 BDT
Lexi says:
OP is the original post in the discussion thread.

MOA is the Meet Our Authors forum.


In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2012 14:26:35 BDT
Anita says:
Well, Lexi explained. And those are common abbreviations.

I have no idea what this has to do with Facebook. I'm not on Facebook myself, if that's relevant. And "I asked for help so explain" does not sound like a polite asking for help, somehow

Posted on 27 Sep 2012 14:29:26 BDT
Lexi, thanks

I didn't bother about the original post all that much - I simply chose the sites which seemed to be of interest to authors rather than readers. I'm not familiar with the meet our authors site - possibly I have come across it when I looked at the Kindle self-publish site but since I haven't used it yet - i.e I have an ms but I would have to render it onto Kindle, and I haven't decided to do so - I may have assumed it related to people who were published on Kindle - anyway thanks for your help. Are you an author and have you self published. If so, was it worth the effort and if you published on Kindle how did you feel about the response?


Posted on 27 Sep 2012 14:35:27 BDT
Anita says:
Someone chooses to post on a thread without even bothering about the original post. Even if it is an important announcement from Amazon. Just nice

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2012 14:51:20 BDT
Lexi says:
Yes, I've published on Amazon's KDP and would recommend it. There's a lot of information on the internet - it's worth reading round the subject before you start. A good US site is Kindleboards' Writers' Café where all aspects of indie epublishing are discussed. If you google my name and go to my blog there are lots of links in the sidebar to self-publishing sites and other indie authors' blogs.

Lexi Revellian

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2012 14:58:35 BDT
Lexi, thank you very much for the advice. I'll google your name and go from there. Nice to get a sympathetic reply.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2012 14:59:35 BDT
Anita - how did you feel your first day at school? Talk to me again when you have sold a couple of million.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2012 15:06:15 BDT
Anita says:
A couple of million of what? You sound a tad arrogant, sir.

First day at school I did listen what the headmistess was saying, I suppose. (Like Amazon in this case.) Not that I'm trying to sell anything for a right to talk with you. Good luck

Posted on 27 Sep 2012 15:10:56 BDT
Anyone else reading, if you can offer an unbiased comment about self publishing in general and self publishing on Kindle, thanks. If not, then I can do without the snooty remarks.
I'm not stupid and I have managed to get three books into international circulation (20 years ago) but going onto a discussion site is like my first day at school (heeelp!) - I use a computer as a tool, and the worldwide web is like another country, so have a little patience.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2012 15:12:28 BDT
Lexi says:
JW, do email me if you have a query and think I can help. To self-publish you need to pay for or do yourself:

cover design
uploading to KDP
and some marketing, like approaching book bloggers.

It's a steep learning curve, but lots of writers have done it successfully. There's information on Amazon KDP Support here:


In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2012 15:29:22 BDT
Thank you. The proof reading,formatting etc doesn't bother me too much - I proof read my own work last time and it went to the publisher in the format I wanted for publication - proofs when they came back still had errors - uploading to KDP would be a new experience - marketing I have some ideas - when I came on site today I really wanted to know how other authors felt about the whole experience - I've had some helpful comment from someone on another site so I'm mildly encouraged. I'll email you once I've googled your site. Thanks again.


In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2012 15:29:22 BDT
I Readalot says:
OK, this is not the best place to post if you want help and advice. If you read the first post in this discussion thread it gives a link (where to find) the Meet Our Authors Forum. You are currently posting in the Fiction Forum where the discussion revolve around reading books rather than writing them. If you scroll down this page you will see lists of discussions and below that a list of the most active community discussions.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2012 15:32:38 BDT
Garscadden says:
JWJ - in general for any forum, it is best to have a quick read of threads before posting. I'd recommend *always* reading the first few and last few posts of a thread before adding to it. Adding to a thread is (to me), like joining in to an existign conversation, it's normally better received if what you add is relevant.

In this case - the very first post would have dirceted you to a forum set up by Amazon which is pretty much populated by self published authors - which is probably where you will find most answers.

These forums went through a stage of getting a *lot* of self promotion, some of the forums still do. hence sometimes you dont' get a lot of slack - thank the countless people who would post adverts into random discussions whether relevant or not for that reception. Unfortunately a bunch of bad apples spoiled a very large barrel (or that is some peoples opinion, mine included to be honest)

That's about the most polite I've been in yonks :)

Posted on 27 Sep 2012 18:10:09 BDT
Demonica says:
Thank you, Amazon!

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2012 18:22:57 BDT
Thank you all. In fact I received a lot of help and advice on two other also unconnected sites. I wouldn't have known how to navigate to the information I have been given - someone emailed me directly with a complete how to do it for self pub on Kindle, however since I appear to have offended one or two sensitive souls, my apologies for jumping into a discussion site intended for something else - although one site hadn't had a new post since July! For those who replied with help, my grateful thanks, and please consider me informed and helped. To the rest, please carry on with your discussion. The WRITERS were mostly helpful and courteous, which is what I would expect.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2012 23:10:22 BDT
Garscadden says:
So - you are saying readers are unhelpful? Nice parting comment...

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2012 23:17:39 BDT
carocaro says:
Be honest Garscadden he hadn't a clue and no quarter was given, and there are one or two readers who attack first. Such is the nature of some who have been promo pasted to death.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Sep 2012 04:43:11 BDT
Anita says:
Of course readers are unhelpful. All right, *I* am an extremely unhelpful reader. I always want to read a good book. And if it's rubbish, I scream rubbish, instead of patching the plot holes and inserting commas myself :)

Posted on 28 Sep 2012 08:52:34 BDT
i've made my share of mistakes but this one's pretty basic, posting for help over kindle/SP in a thread titles " important announcements from amazon"??? I'm with anita - its annoying. if i look in this trread i expect to see an announcement from amazon not a post from an author... i found it hard to find the MOA forum myslef (i've bookmarked it now ) as these aren't the easist forums to post on but looking through any other posts would give you one that would be more on topic and there's always lists of these at base and side bars once you open a post. or even - open your own post so you get replies tailored to what you need. And when asking for help at least be polite - no one HAS to respond and honey catches more flies that vinegar etc...
BTW I'm one of those "unhelpful" readers i guess.

Posted on 28 Sep 2012 10:45:17 BDT
Sou'Wester says:
Like so many forum users I'm sick and tired of self-pluggers, but I think responses to this activity need to be proportionate. Because Amazon themselves don't regularly take action against those who break their own rules, I can understand how a newcomer to these forums may think that self-promotion is permissible. In this recent case it's true that the self-promoter would have been better advised to check out the thread they were posting to, but it was a "first time offence" and I think a polite "caution" rather than full court appearance may have been more in order! If we are to attack those who misuse these facilities, I'd suggest we keep our ammunition dry for those who quite blatantly and persistently ignore the rules (thereby trying to gain an unfair advantage over fellow writers who actually have integrity), and even more so for those who try and con us with fake/sock-puppet posts and reviews.
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