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Surely there must be some fantasy classics left out there somewhere?


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Posted on 11 Jun 2012 11:49:12 BDT
I would definitely include Hugh Cook, the Kiwi, who lived in japan for a while and died of cancer a few years ago. His ten volumes all with two words and both starting with "W" will be remembered for a very long time.

A more modern author is Melanie Rawn.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jun 2012 16:59:53 BDT
R. Buytaert says:
Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun?

Posted on 13 Jun 2012 19:31:33 BDT
And, how about Craig Shaw Gardner? I have reviewed some of his books on Amazon USA and used names of places and characters in my reviews of other more serious authors.

Posted on 15 Jun 2012 22:25:56 BDT
Robert Bull says:
Hmmm... "classic?" A little hard to say what will be long-lasting. Garth Nix's Abhorsen trilogy certainly should be a modern classic: they are 1. Sabriel, 2. Lirael: Daughter of the Clayr, 3. Abhorsen. The Creature in the Case is a collection of short stories, the title story being set in the same world shortly after Abhorsen ends.

Another contender for modern classic: Kate Elliott's Crown of Stars sequence, which are:
1. King's Dragon, 2. Prince of Dogs, 3. The Burning Stone, 4. Child of Flame, 5. The Gathering Storm, 6. In the Ruins, 7. Crown of Stars.

Don't overlook Susan Cooper's famous The Dark Is Rising sequence, that starts with Over Sea, Under Stone.

I have a deep and abiding respect for Crawford Kilian's Eyas, from 1982, but sadly nobody else seems to have heard of it. As also for P C Hodgell's Kencyrath series, that starts with God Stalk.

If you like LoTR, and would like something that starts from the same roots but stirs in other ideas, and ends up very differently, try Michael Scott Rohan's Winter of the World series. The first three are 1. The Anvil of Ice, 2. The Forge in the Forest, 3. The Hammer of the Sun. Don't bother with the sequels/prequels. These date back to the mid-1980's, so you'll probably need to look for second-hand.

Posted on 22 Jun 2012 21:38:12 BDT
chris says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jun 2012 22:16:39 BDT
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Posted on 22 Jun 2012 22:53:03 BDT
Last edited by the author on 22 Jun 2012 23:08:56 BDT
Anita says:
Oh, to be honest, I love when the authors use capital letters...... and some punctuation marks... hopefully - in books, if not in posts :)

EDIT. Well, there are capital letters in the book. But:
"...said one of the men, his warm breath bellowing into the cold air outside his body."

Huh?..

Posted on 22 Jun 2012 22:57:41 BDT
Anita says:
P.S. May I remind the thread title - for Chris specifically?:

"Surely there must be some fantasy classics left out there somewhere?"

Don't start with classics, sir, please. Or else there's only way down from there. You'd better start with just a debut book... a good one would be a pleasant addition

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jun 2012 23:30:07 BDT
Celtiethree says:
You have just triggered a memory of a fantastic book. I read and reread this book so many times

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jun 2012 23:41:05 BDT
chris says:
Try knights of calvahursia, I would be glad of your review:0)

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jun 2012 01:53:28 BDT
Anita says:
Sorry, but "cold air outside the body" and "warm breath bellowing into it" had me in stitches. I understand that fantasy should not be too realistic, but...

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jun 2012 06:40:02 BDT
Jim Webster says:
Hi Anita
I think it is a manuscript the author ought to have stopped and read aloud.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jun 2012 07:38:35 BDT
Sou'Wester says:
Glancing at the first two paragraphs, this author is certainly in need of an editor. The grammar is - how can I put this politely - idiosyncratic!

Posted on 23 Jun 2012 11:32:52 BDT
Anita says:
All right, I'm always ready to admit that I'm wrong. Jim, Sou'Wester: does "air outside his body" sound anything like normal in English? Or a "bellowing breath"? And then, there's a paragraph with men doing something, wolves doing something, and "them" being somewhere, all in one sentence. At least for me the reference is totally unclear: "they" are men or wolves? Should I write anything like this in *another* language, any editor would call that a big mistake.

I'm afraid I haven't read much more than that, so this is definitely *not* about the book itself, just about some grammar details

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jun 2012 14:30:59 BDT
Jim Webster says:
there were times when I wondered if this was a book written by someone for whom English was their second language, and they were translating metaphors which worked in their primary language into English and not quite getting the words right.
It also looks as if the manuscript has been pulled.
I hope the author has an editor go over it and then resubmit it

Posted on 24 Jun 2012 20:53:23 BDT
James says:
Not many of the suggestions so far are actually considered "classics" which was a shame for me, I'm looking for some too.

Philip Pullmans "His Dark Materials" isn't on your list, now there's a series that is considered a "classic."

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jun 2012 23:02:59 BDT
A real classis is "The Thousand and One Nights" . But that has been adulterated so much in the past centuries that it is difficult to find one which has not been abridged for children by religious zealots or made into a series of erotic stories by closet celibates.

Some of the novels of Jules Verne may also be considered loosely as fantasy, but you would have to search for English translations.

I would also include some H.P. Lovecraft among fantasy classics. The Ctulhu legends are as much fantasy as they are horror.

One may also enjoy reading Jonathan Swift again as pure fantasy rather than political satire.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jun 2012 00:07:31 BDT
Last edited by the author on 25 Jun 2012 00:12:26 BDT
Good suggestion on Lovecraft! I read his entire collected works not long ago and your comment is dead on, especially with respect to some of the longer stories like "The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath". Another feature of Lovecraft's writing that I found interesting was that it rather frequently sent me scurrying off to the dictionary to look up obscure words!

If Lovecraft appeals, so might M.R. James, although I would characterize his works as more straight-up horror than Lovecraft's.

Posted on 25 Jun 2012 07:35:55 BDT
You're correct about difficulty of reading Lovecraft. It has been some decades since I read his stories but the atmosphere they created stayed with me. He was a master story teller. he could draw you into his imaginary world despite the obtuse language and the dreary settings and characters.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jul 2012 20:18:48 BDT
I have read quite a few on your list, but lately I have really enjoyed Kevin Hearne - Iron Druid Chronicles, Larry Correia - Hard Magic and Spellbound, and surprisingly Tom Holt - The Portable Door. I have just discovered the delights of the gritty epic fantasy of Joe Abercrombie - The First Law Trilogy. Next I will be tackling Patrick Rothfuss second book, the first was fantastic...

Posted on 7 Jul 2012 19:55:29 BDT
If looking for new ish then Scott r bakkers aspect emperor series is a great read and cleverly written.

Posted on 9 Jul 2012 16:37:27 BDT
Tatum says:
The Morrow Secrets (The Morrow Trilogy Plus)
Just read this - it's brand new. Great writing and in the 'Sea and Stone'/Alan Garner tradition. Well worth trying.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jul 2012 17:18:56 BDT
J.Yasimoto says:
"...it's brand new."

If it's brand new, how can it be a classic?

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jul 2012 17:26:46 BDT
Jim Webster says:
Well it's got some classic reviewers

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jul 2012 21:26:06 BDT
Anita says:
Could you please tell me, what was your motive to choose this particular book out of thousands? It's a miracle how people grab a random self-published book and find a (future?) classics at the first try! Why oh why I'm never so lucky?
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