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In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 23:13:01 BDT
Last edited by the author on 2 Jun 2012 23:15:32 BDT
Jim Webster says:
As a serious answer to a serious question one thing I've noticed is that because Americans can live without ever having to interact with non-Americans a lot of them don't have the breadth of outlook you would get among other peoples. Take yourself as an example, how many different nationalities do you deal with in the course of a week?

So while there is no shortage of witty, worldly wise Americans, they do seem to have a few who haven't grasped that not everyone thinks like they do, and they certainly haven't grasped that 'not thinking like they do' doesn't make you some sort of deviant.
You get this in all societies but American is physically big enough and advanced enough to ensure that it is an easier trap for people to fall into.
This isn't meant to be an insult or slagging people off, but you do see it on some forums
They show great enthusiasm for voting voting NO to the question "Do you think this post adds to the discussion?" whereas whole pages can go by in this thread without anyone voting at all.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 23:46:58 BDT
Anita says:
Thank you for the serious answer, Jim, it was interesting to read. And then, "American" is hardly a nationality - ?

As myself, more often than not I have to deal with people of two nationalities, the *second* of them being British right here. (Some others happen now and then, naturally, but those would clearly be a minority.) Considering the Lithuanians that are Americans (I'm speaking about those I know) the nationality/nationality question can be rather tricky, sometimes. Of course knowing/not knowing the language can make a huge difference. (Much as you can say about English/American languages being different, they are not THAT different :) )

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 07:43:24 BDT
Jim Webster says:
The old joke is that the English and the Americans are two nations divided by a common language

Posted on 3 Jun 2012 09:43:56 BDT
Anita, my experience has been that because the size of the US forum is much larger, the (still small) number of members who exhibit trollish behaviour is therefore numerically larger than it is here
And, they tend to be very vocal, and heartily dislike authors who set out to get some visibilty. I don't know whether it's jealousy, but it's real and can get very nasty.

Plus, they have a load of troll like authors who attack who ever they see as the 'competition'. Whilst we (at least the comic fantasists here) percieve that attracting readers to a genre will help all of us sell, over there they are terribly protective. And fight nasty.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 09:49:41 BDT
Jim Webster says:
Yes, I was surprised at how inward looking they were

Posted on 3 Jun 2012 10:21:15 BDT
AlinasVoice says:
Hmm... sounds like those with a problem are people who have, perhaps, never collaborated with other writers on on-line communities or through face-to-face workshops/writing groups? If they haven't learned to be respectful of other people's work through frank and 2-way communication on the subject, learning to both give and take constructive critique... then I'm not sure I'd feel confident buying their finished product. Kind of a 'shoot yourself in the foot' scenario if they're systematically attacking other authors.

Personally, I've found most of the americans that I've come across to be reasonable and helpful people... but again, that's been through on-line writing sites. Granted, there are a few out there who seem to delight in 'hit and run' critiques, but those who stick around long enough to get into dialogue are great. A little louder than my Brit friends, but plain speaking and a lot of fun.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 10:37:49 BDT
Jim Webster says:
The problem with Americans (or rather a problem Americans have) is that there are a lot of them, and 1% of a large number is still a crowd.
Like you I've come across a lot of perfectly decent Americans and I've tried not to turn this thread into an anti-American rant.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 13:50:47 BDT
And as with most nations, those with least (of value) to say shout the loudest.

For clarity, I've met several great guys from the States, and count at least 3 as genuine internet friends.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 14:04:35 BDT
Anita says:
What about French then, Will?..

Posted on 3 Jun 2012 14:07:35 BDT
The French are an exception.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 18:42:58 BDT
AlinasVoice says:
Don't know any French (nationals) so I can't comment... One DID ask my husband if he was carrying rocket fuel in the boot of his car at a customs check-point. When hubby strenuously denied transporting anything of the sort, he was greeted with disbelief... turned out he was talking to a VERY rare individual - a French customs official with a sense of humour! (He meant wine.... and yeah, there was plenty of THAT in the boot!)

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 18:57:06 BDT
Jim Webster says:
in my limited experience customs officials rarely have a sense of humour, whether they are French or not.
Perhaps to qualify this statement, their sense of humour can be very pointed

Posted on 3 Jun 2012 21:24:28 BDT
We drove onto the Eurostar and a guy with a walkie talkie said.

"Yep, I've got it, the pugeot." at which point it's brown trousers time for McOther and I.
He comes up to us and asks us if the suspension has been lowered. We explain with embarrassment, that actually we've just bought a lot of wine. He looks past us, into the back, and agrees. Turns out they think we're dodgy smugglers, the guy chatted to us all the way under the channel said tutty by and waved us on our way.

Cheers

MTM

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2012 23:24:13 BDT
Adele says:
I agree, some of my favourite authors are indie and unpublished, some have actually gone on to become published and best sellers and best of all they are cheaper which is a blessing when you read as much as I do and can get through a number of books a week :)

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Jun 2012 15:55:42 BDT
Agreed, I've been enjoying Lexi Revellian's stuff, I have a Jon Rosenberg Unicorn Academy one up soon which I am looking forward to reading. Also one by Jim Webster. Will Macmillan Jones is good and the Silent Blade Chronicles by David Graham are fun... Scratch by Danny Gillan, The Dark Lord's handbook was good - slightly rushed at the end there but still good. There are stacks out there...

Cheers

MTM

Posted on 12 Jun 2012 19:51:21 BDT
AlinasVoice says:
Right, I know that this is 'off-topic' to a certain extent, but a few posts ago this thread touched on the subject of indie writers publishing too early or (the other extreme) not letting their literary 'babies' go at all. I recently read a published author's take on 'rewriting' and how many drafts should be done on a book before self publishing or seeking representation from an agent. I found it interesting... and it occurred to me that some people on this thread might find it interesting too, even if it's only as one person's POV. Anyway, here's the details for anyone who IS interested: http://www.deanwesleysmith.com/?p=4398

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jun 2012 20:59:18 BDT
Garscadden says:
I think it came up earlier, but Ginsberg and Kerouac always argued about this (it is possible an apocryphal story - it crops up in at elats one of Burroughs' books). I can never remember which way round it was, but one argued to edit edit edit (I presume Ginsberg), and the other to just throw it away if it wasn't right, and rewrite.

I always just assume anyone interested in books already knows that story (and the idea behind it - everyone is different). I dislike both writers and know the story, it seems writers at leats should know it :)

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jun 2012 10:33:28 BDT
ABmonkey says:
Agreed, I have read "professional" books I have thought are utter rubbish and have been full of mistakes. I have also read e books by professional writers that are likewise and, of course some of both types which are excellent. Sometimes it is simply a fact that typos get missed or the style of writing is not what someone likes. A lot of people who self publish may not be able to afford a professional editor, at least not initally.

Unless it is really dire I think so long as the story is good I will put up with it. No one is perfect.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jun 2012 15:12:11 BDT
Jim Webster says:
by the sound of it there's a book I could sell you :-))
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