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The Bible ....Fact or Fiction?????

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In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 02:18:24 GMT
stan says:
it might even be green mould

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 02:20:08 GMT
stan says:
wude yu adam & eve it

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 07:03:22 GMT
Graeme S says:
David Flanders, publish your proof then, if you have 40 years of study as you say you should have a large amount of data now. Sadly you're just making it up, there is no proof otherwise the various churches would be shouting about it.

"I have friends who are eminent scientists...."

Of course you do, now tell us, how large did your nose grow typing that comment?

Gordon, the bible may not state the Earth is the centre of the universe but the church persecuted people for saying otherwise, nice of them really, very Christian, persecute anyone who doesn't hold your view.

Posted on 21 Mar 2014 08:50:15 GMT
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Posted on 21 Mar 2014 09:18:24 GMT
Not very sound reasoning, Miss Andrews. People much prefer to fight over fiction rather than facts and our leaders have always been economical with the truth. Fighting over religion is just another form of tribal warfare. Nothing at all to do with truth. The OT is merely a glorified account of the history of Judaism, while the NT was manipulated by the church hierarchy hundreds of years ago to suit their own purposes.

Posted on 21 Mar 2014 11:12:01 GMT
Bill Aitch says:
Any form of sectarian club is exclusive, and causes all forms of steif.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 11:32:01 GMT
Graeme S says:
"Not very sound reasoning, Miss Andrews."

There's no reasoning there at all. It's like saying if one branch of science is worthless then all science is worthless. Or if one book is bad then you may as well throw away the entire library.

Posted on 21 Mar 2014 12:21:12 GMT
The Bible is neither simply fact nor fiction. The question that should be asked here is "is it true?" - and that is a much harder one to answer. There are passages in the Old Testament, for example, which describe dietary principles and constraints - and these are still being followed by some religious groups: so, in a sense, these passages are literally "true". There are other passages - in both Old and New Testaments - which offer profound insights into what it means to be human. We can still be moved and affected by these passages - since human nature has not changed as much as we might like to think over the millennia - and so those passages are also, in another sense, "true". And, then, there are passages or extraordinary and sublime beauty - which represent yet another kind of "truth". You do not have to be religious - which I am not - to recognise that the dismissal of such a remarkable book as mere "fiction" is an inadequate and rather glib response to what is often as much a work of great art as it is a work of faith. It also reveals a lack of respect for those who have found comfort, pleasure and inspiration in its pages.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 12:34:07 GMT
Graeme S says:
Respect cuts both ways though which is missing when someone says "I hope you find god".

I respect anyone's belief, as long as they don't force that belief or try to force that belief on me, if they finish a message with god bless you, or whatever, that's pushing their belief system onto me which is far from respectful.

Posted on 21 Mar 2014 12:54:19 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 12:54:50 GMT
True but the Christian prophet was not called jesus his real name was joshua. Jesus was a greek language name (best fit for them.) So to be fair every time your bible uses the name jesus it is wrong. That is one hell of a lot of mistakes actually leaving out the flood etc. So much for the bible being true let alone acurate. It is funny that every time some one claims to be a fan of jesus, they are simply denying the ancient Hebrew prophet. Lol.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 12:57:01 GMT
I think that taking umbrage at someone saying "God bless you" is a little excessive - and to describe that simple experience as a "belief system" being "pushed" down one's throat is, to say the least, something of an over-statement. From my own experience, believers and non-believers are both capable of acting dogmatically, and with an unshakable belief in their own righteousness. Both of them can also quite enjoy being offended - in fact, on occasions they can both go out of their way to partake in that dubious pleasure. Many of the comments about the Bible that have been made in this discussion are entirely dismissive - both of the book and of those who admire it - and, as a non-believer myself, I think that is a grossly imbalanced response.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 13:27:00 GMT
Graeme S says:
That was 'my opinion' are we not allowed opinions?

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 13:39:32 GMT
What a pathetic comment! Are you really so insecure that you regard any disagreement with you as a direct challenge to your right to hold an opinion? No wonder you feel personally threatened when someone says "God bless you".

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 13:56:42 GMT
Last edited by the author on 21 Mar 2014 14:02:49 GMT
Graeme S says:
Actually I can't be bothered continuing a discussion where people like you feel the need to attack and bully anyone who express an opinion which differs from yours. It's people like you trolling forums which kills discussion and stops people interacting.

Anyway, I never said I felt threatened by anything so please try to read and understand comments before replying to them.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 14:43:35 GMT
Graeme S - true but remember that Christianity is perfect but people are not therefor things do go wrong. As for the evidence plenty of it to prove things from the bible are true and the Churches do shout it out but are largely ignored by a secular/ atheist world or even rubbished by the likes of yourself.

Posted on 21 Mar 2014 15:10:58 GMT
Last edited by the author on 21 Mar 2014 20:04:48 GMT
fruit bonbon says:
A person I knew - the daughter of a vicar - once said that she believed in God because "if He exists I win, but if He doesn't I haven't lost anything". Quite a statement!!

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 15:21:44 GMT
I'm so sorry - I didn't realise that you were such a sensitive soul. (Perhaps the use of the word "soul" also alarms you.) You're right - you didn't say that you were "threatened", you merely said that you felt people were trying to push their "belief systems" on to poor you when they said "God Bless You". I said that I thought your reaction was "a little excessive" - a fairly mild criticism, by most standards, but one you regard as evidence of "bullying". I don't know what age you are , but I think it's probably time you grew up.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 15:39:39 GMT
Last edited by the author on 21 Mar 2014 15:42:55 GMT
Lexi says:
I'll go with that....Iv'e had some religious types at my door and they haven't been over pushy but I have also had the pushy preaching type. One of the latter springs to mind such as......Nice sunny day front door wide open and the door bell rings. When I go to answer it I see a woman actually across the threshold standing in the hallway. After trying for sometime to imprint her religious views on my mind it became obvious to her I was not going to be a convert. Frustrated at her failure she then said " Well I think it is a shame that your children are not being brought up in the christian faith"...Need I say more. She was ask to remove herself from my property pronto. It is the condescending attitude of the religious preachy types that I dislike more than the faith that they believe in. It is every bit as annoying as cold calling sales people.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 15:47:08 GMT
Last edited by the author on 21 Mar 2014 15:47:50 GMT
Graeme S says:
Gordon "or even rubbished by the likes of yourself."

Is this a particular Christian turn of phrase I'm not familiar with or just stereotyping people in general? I'm not rubbishing anything, I'm asking for proof, that's not too much to ask for really, actual proof. Saying there is proof without providing any isn't much use to anyone.

Posted on 21 Mar 2014 17:17:46 GMT
Graeme- not a particular exclusive Christian phrase it's just describes the attitude that non believers come across with. I do get into these types of debate quite a bit and it is always the same ie real evidence is produced and rubbished by the non believers.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 17:39:58 GMT
Graeme S says:
But you have yet to produce any real evidence.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 17:52:23 GMT
Last edited by the author on 21 Mar 2014 18:07:27 GMT
The Bible? Lives and society CAN be altered by a powerful book. I think the reference to freedom is important, we fought for our freedom-to follow which religion we want to, if any. Who does a drowning man ask for help? Who saves him?

Posted on 21 Mar 2014 17:56:30 GMT
Graeme what evidence would satisfy you?

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2014 18:00:35 GMT
Graeme S says:
What have you got?
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