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In reply to an earlier post on 1 Sep 2010 22:29:25 BDT
It is magic with dough.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Sep 2010 11:33:38 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 2 Sep 2010 18:59:55 BDT
E. W. says:
"KitchenAid much much prettier - you'd need to keep the kenwood in a cupboard!" That is a very subjective argument, though, isn't it? I think the Kenwood is extremely good looking and well designed - I certainly don't think it needs hiding. It may not be "in your face" pretty, but I personally don't need my kitchen machine to seduce me. It's just a "kitchen robot", after all.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Sep 2010 21:18:24 BDT
DADOF2 says:
go for the biggest Kenwood that you can get: just check out the power of the various motors available vs Kitchen Aid - and also the prices of the accessories. I nearly bought the K/A, then researched and am V glad I didn't. Got the Kenwood Chef Major kit. Really excellent. Lots of price variation, so buy carefully. T

Posted on 6 Sep 2010 14:21:05 BDT
Last edited by the author on 6 Sep 2010 14:26:55 BDT
JLHP says:
If you live in the UK (or a UK territory) or are British, you MUST go for Kenwood to fly the flag alone - also the name is genius, it's a bloke called Kenneth Wood - Brilliant!!!

I can understand why a lot of people prefer the slightly 'lighter' aesthetics of the KA, but I much prefer the chunkier KW. A few years ago I decided I needed help in the kitchen, and after a trawl though Ebay, found a lovely looking Kenwood Major within driving distance, and so I bought her. It came with the original manual, recipe book & showroom brochure, with a hand written price on it from the salesman, saying 99.75, and that was 1971!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's the big boy 'Major' model, 6.7L stainless steel bowl, and is in mint condition; I've bought some extras that I've found on Ebay, such as the coffee grinder (40 years old & unused) and a few other bits. But then I saw another Major going with lots of accessories and possibly even in better condition, so I bought that too, with the intention of selling the first one, and just keeping the bits I wanted - But yes you guessed it, I now own 2 1970's Kenwood Majors, and they will be staying in my kitchen forever ;-)

I wish I could use them all day ;-)

I know all KithcenAid models will vary, but I just saw the 'Classic' on QVCUK, and I really didn't like the power cable coming out from near the top at the back of the head rather than being threaded down to the base. I also hated the floppy round metal cover that is above the insertion point for the tools, the KW has this at the top of each tool and is far nicer in design & use. Also I thought I could see some of the enamelling was already damaged - not a good sign for the future; my Major has 2 areas for supplementary tools where as the KA I saw only had the one at the front, but this may have been a lower spec model though.

To be balanced however, I am talking about Kenwoods from the glory days, as I did see a base model KW Chef in a department store recently, and I wasn't impressed, my 40 year old Major would have whooped it's arse. So to properly compete against anything from KA, if you want new that is, you may have to go for the top of the range models from Kenwood, like the Major, or the Titanium range I think. If you don't want new, or would rather have a vintage model, Ebay is brilliant, bide your time, and one WILL some up that's right for you. There's even the famed bright orange version from the 70's, but they can look a little patchy unless it's in super condition. Also hold out for the better models, I think the best vintage Major to go for is the A707A, I think the last 'A' means it had improved more reliable engine parts ;-)

Happy cooking - Justin

Posted on 6 Sep 2010 14:39:52 BDT
JLHP says:
PS - if you'd love or prefer a Kenwood, but like the Kitchen Aid look, you could always give the new Kenwood kMix KMX52 a try, brilliant prices on Amazon; actually the prices of the Majors on here are better than Ebay!!

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Sep 2010 17:54:51 BDT
I bought a Kitchen Aid at Easter having delayed for years thinking I could not justify the expense. It's fantastic! I read in Good Housekeeping( I think) that it mixed to the bottom of the bowl better than the Kenwood chef.
I bought mine from Wheesh, very helpful and efficient. Not sure they are the cheapest, but I couldn't find it for a better price.
Good luck

Posted on 11 Sep 2010 14:07:26 BDT
L. Karlsson says:
I just bought a white Kitchenaid Artisan (received it yesterday), I must say that it is very solid and it looks gorgeous in my kitchen.
HOWEVER, I'm going to return it and order a Kenwood Chef instead.
The KA stand mixer + KA blender + KA food processor = the KW chef!
Not having a blender is a big drawback with the Kitchenaid. You get so much more out of a Kenwood and since my kitchen is small and I cook a lot I prefer the smarter, more functional Kenwood.
I was seduced by the looks, but have now come to my senses :)

Posted on 11 Sep 2010 20:29:59 BDT
K. Blythe says:
I am a baker by trade and would always go for the kitchen aid. I was bought a Kenwood Chef as a wedding present ( about 34 years ago ) and I loved it at the time, but when I left the bakery that I had been working at to have a baby the owner bought me a Kitchen Aid as a leaving present (made by Hobart who also make all the commercial machines in most bakeries). It lasted me over 20 years of serious daily use including still making celebration cakes for the bakery I had worked for. Unfortunately it got damaged when moving house but the up side was that I replaced it with a brand new Kitchen Aid! This has now been going strong for about 10 years and the bowl, beater, whisk and dough hook from my first machine also fit on my current machine. I have also recently purchased a glass mixing bowl for it with no worries that it was not compatible with a 10 year old machine. I also have the mincing attachment which is brilliant. I find this machine a really hard working and robust machine and would never go back to a Kenwood. The fact that they do not change the overall shape of the machine means that any new attachments they bring out will still fit my current machine, and if the worst happened and I had to replace the machine, my attachments would fit the new machine.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Sep 2010 13:05:16 BDT
I am a chef and Lecturer and the machines I use personally at home is the Kitchen Aid and is the same machine that is used at College with the students. It is the professionals choice, because the motor is very powerful and can handle all mixes and doughs. Looks are not everything always go for build quality and the weight of the machine which equates to the power and strenght of the motor. Most electrical products designed for home use are very light, which means they will burn out quite quickly, so it is a false economy to buy anything you would want to use frequently. I recently used my girlfriends Kenwood Titanium Top of the range and if I was buying new that would be the only other machine I would consider because of the extras and build quality.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Sep 2010 17:31:54 BDT
KJ Hookey says:
I am surprised at Grapeel01 saying the KitchenAid is lighter; we have had both Kenwood and KitchenAid, the latter being about 7 years old, nice stainless steel model. Both were heavy and the Kenwood was still going strong after 20 years. The KitchenAid has not missed a beat either and, without weighing either, would think it is heavier than the Kenwood - certainly no chance of it ever moving about under its own steam and in fact it is quite difficult to lift.

Posted on 16 Sep 2010 09:38:42 BDT
Last edited by the author on 16 Sep 2010 09:39:49 BDT
Winchester says:
Just got a Km020 and used it to knead pizza dough last night. Does yours make any loud noises, it's like the upper portion has a slight wobble to it, very slight(millimeter or so of movement), but it seems like this upside down movement can cause a loud slapping or banging noise when it goes up and down.

EDIT: The dough it was kneading was stiff and hence it would be pushed upwards by the hook and dough sometimes.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Sep 2010 10:15:54 BDT
Last edited by the author on 16 Sep 2010 10:38:43 BDT
JLHP says:
Dough always pushes any stand mixer to its limits, and if yours only moves a millimetre or 2 that's fine; unless you put it in a clamp screwed to the wall, they all do it, Kitchen Aid, Kenwood et al.

As to loud noises, well, you should always expect some as the motor struggles to knead the dough, but as long as the bowl is held firm and not wobbling about, and the noises don't sound like something is broken inside, that 'sounds' entirely normal - good luck with her!

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Sep 2010 10:33:06 BDT
Yes, but those grunts are also sometimes signs the motor is burning out. IME, the KA Artisan can only cope with 500g batches of fairly loose dough (foccaccia dough, for example), and I burned out THREE motors proving this (and following thier instructions to the letter). It can't cope with eg pugliese or bagels. The bigger Kenwoods - not the Chef, but the Major or Pro - cope easily with stiff doughs of over a kilo of flour. But they are less good with small-batch cake mixes.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Sep 2010 10:45:13 BDT
JLHP says:
Hi Jane

Interesting, but awful post from you, 3 motors burned out, how terrible for you, that's outrageous!!! I never worry about this as I do have a Major, and I would advise anyone who wants as few problems as possible to avoid the smaller, lowers spec models, the bigger bowls are a must in my opinion. There is no need to spend hundreds & hundreds either, as there's always a few Majors on the second hand market (you know where).

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Sep 2010 11:27:17 BDT
Winchester says:
I have the Kenwood KM020, the major model, not a KA and the motor is not the source of the sounds either. It's the upper portion of the mixer that moves, that is the bit that you can flip up. If you put your arm on the machine it doesn't happen.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Sep 2010 11:31:27 BDT
JLHP says:
As it's from the KM range, I presume it's reasonably, if not completely new, so I'd call Kenwood directly, they're quite helpful, and just see what they say - good luck.

Posted on 16 Sep 2010 12:57:36 BDT
Last edited by the author on 16 Sep 2010 12:57:59 BDT
Winchester says:
I've given Kenwood a call and without a visual inspection of it running it's hard to say. I shall have to record it next time and put it on youtube.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Sep 2010 14:01:59 BDT
Canuto says:
The upper part of our Kenwwod Major does that too, when doing something heavy. I think there is an adjustment knob/bolt somewhere, but I have never bothered to find that. It should move a little bit anyways.
There's often a chattering noise too, but that comes from the rearmost, loose lid (ali), and that goes away when I remove the lid.
We don't have any particular, sharp noise from where the upper part of the machine moves compared to the lower part, though.

Posted on 16 Sep 2010 16:25:22 BDT
kes44p says:
My mother and grandmother both had Kenwood Chefs. I worked in a cookshop over the summer breaks and one year I saved for a Kitchen Aid, it coincided with my mum breaking her mincing attachement on the Kenwood, so she borrowed my KitchenAid to try it - she like it so much that I had to buy myself another Kitchen Aid.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Sep 2010 13:27:17 BDT
J. Spennewyn says:
Was your college kitted out at a "deal price" struck by the college to advertise the kitchenaids or were they purchased entirely on the merits of the kitchenaid?
Kitcenaids wattage / motor power eg KitchenAid Artisan Stand Mixer, ..a measly 300 watts, hardly durable & possibly prone to overheat if in a busy kitchen.. compared to theKenwood Chef Premier Mixer, KMC560 with a 1000 watt motor, (well wound if you've seen the guts of one)
My own Kenwood KM010 has a 1400 watt motor which makes for a nigh on inexhaustable workhorse which can take batch mixing in it's stride without damage to the electrical brushes, the silicone scraper attachment leaves nothing worth mentioning in the bowl.
I would urge caution with magazine recommendations, mags thrive on freebies & advertising in order to fill pages, as someone who used to work closely with both inhouse magazine staff & free-lance I am wary to say the least, due to getting to know them in both a social & professional sense..
Use your own eyes & Q.C. when purchasing, build quality, dial / knob feel & movement etc, insist on starting the candidates up to get a feel for noise, movement, weight etc..
Whilst the kitchenaid @ 300watts is very "pretty" seen in all sorts of mags ads & lifestyle photoshoots it's hardly a substantial heavy duty machine, if it were to go wrong you relyon distributors (who change), sourcing spares a potential nightmare down the line.
I'd prefer more guts & gear ratios Kenwood (1400 watts) has nearly 5 times the power & is very evenhanded.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Sep 2010 14:20:08 BDT
JLHP says:
Very informative post Spennewyn, not popular with some I imagine, as it does knock their beloved KA's, but it's nice to hear a ringing endorsement of what I consider the best - Kenwood - my A707A Major is 40 years old next year, and it is without doubt a joy!

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Posted on 17 Sep 2010 18:26:03 BDT
JLHP says:
I really don't want to get into a yours is better than mine match; and from what I can tell it seems to be what you buy first, is the one you end up liking. With this in mind it's almost impossible to convince someone from the other camp that the opposing teams machine is better than the other; so having said that I am beating my head against a wall, but to say the KA is 'superior' to anything else is a tad strong, just the optional attachments alone make the KW a more versatile unit (vintage & modern). The only reason I would consider a KA would be for a wider colour choice, but that would never inform my final choice.

So, as the twain will obviously never meet, may you and your chosen mixer, whichever that might be, go, be happy & above all - mix!

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Sep 2010 23:22:15 BDT
Mitch says:
I use the KitchenAid in a commercial kitchen. It does not move around when making bread. The lines are classic and good looking. I have a Kenwood Chef, and have had for years, but I would swap for a KitchenAid anyday. Although the Kenwood is relaiable, it has stopped on me once, whweras the Kitchen Aid, despite misuse, carries on. it's a personal thing.
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