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Initial post: 2 Dec 2012 14:46:18 GMT
Last edited by the author on 23 Dec 2012 14:38:01 GMT
As pet owners, most of us are fully aware of the great dangers of feeding our pets certain things like herbs, and spices such as nutmeg and cinnamon.

I know not to feed my dogs - real Chocolate, Onions, Grapes and Raisins, Avocado, Macadamia Nuts, Garlic, caffeinated drinks, excessive quantities of Dairy products, Meat fat trimmings, seeded or unstoned Fruits, raw Eggs and Meat and Fish and Potatoes, Sugars and Salts, etc......

But with our ever changing lifestyles and diets, it is so easy to forget or to get careless these days, isn't it? And new foodstuffs come along all the time and we have no idea of the consequences until something awful happens. The new ranges of sweets, cakes and desserts now are often made with chemicals such as sweeteners - and tragically it was recently reported in a newspaper about the hidden dangers and terrible consequences to be found in these.

There is Candy, Toothpastes (yes! - some people tend to use human-approved instead of the pet ones), baked goods, and most DIET foods which are all usually sweetened now with XYLITOL. Xylitol can cause a massive increase in the insulin circulating through your dog's body which can cause your dog's blood sugar to drop and can also cause rapid liver failure. Initial symptoms include vomiting, lethargy, and loss of coordination. Eventually the poor dog may suffer horrific seizures and, as there is no treatment or antidote, it is inevitable that death will occur within just a few days.

I was in shock reading this, as I had absolutely NO idea about this, did you? So, please stay extra aware, especially over the Christmas period, of what 'yummy treats' that your precious furry friend is being given - not least by those 'well-meaning' Yuletide guests and visitors!

EDIT ADDITION - Other dangers - Antifreeze puddles leaking onto driveways that animals may drink as it has a very appealingly sweet taste, or wander through and then lick off their paws - for both dogs and cats just a couple of lickfuls will tragically cause Acute Kidney Failure and death within a mere couple of days.

Lilies are very deadly to cats! - if a cat chews on any part of the plant, or even if it just brushes past it and gets some pollen on it's coat which it later licks off while grooming - this is enough to be fatal.

Other poisonous substances include - Mistletoe, some types of Poinsettia plant, Alcohol, and also the chemicals that may have been used by the seller to treat your live Christmas tree.

Posted on 2 Dec 2012 15:24:18 GMT
So true! And if you have birds such as budgies and parrots (any of the Loridae family) remember that parsley is toxic to them!

Posted on 2 Dec 2012 15:56:33 GMT
finny lul says:
Thanks so much for this - as much for the reminder of the things I did know, as well as the foodstuffs I didn't know about.

Posted on 2 Dec 2012 17:24:50 GMT
Last edited by the author on 2 Dec 2012 17:25:28 GMT
wobberoo says:
****IMPORTANT**** !!!! Lemon Drizzle Cake does NOT!!! have any ingredients that have adverse affects on me, The Right Honourable, Lord Roo of All He Surveys. Please note: All my humble servants are very much appreciated, so don't feel under valued, nor intimidated, by my unsurpassed greatness. Thank you, you may resume your attentive duties. Back to your posts. N.b suzy, you are of course, exempt. You may take the day off, well what remains of it. When you've finished my cake. x x x

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Dec 2012 18:05:20 GMT
pixie says:
Well Roo...this is what I read in a very important Kanga journal..

News flash! Under no circumstances are Roo's to be fed Lemon..during intensive experiments it has been found that the acid in the said fruit is thought to make the "Roo" have halucinations making the poor animal believe it'self to be near human and able to post on feed the poor thing this concoction is too cruel and to feed the distressed animals imagination is not to be encouraged! Please note that Roo's love rotting cabbage! So feel free to post as much of the vile stuff as you like...this includes the highly nutritious brussel sprout. He'll love you for it. Meanwhile those that have made the lovely lemon drizzle please invite your friends for a lovely tea and rest assured you are being cruel to be kind!
Thank you Suzy for pointing us in the right direction and saving our poor Roo from himself!

Posted on 2 Dec 2012 18:24:46 GMT
To Anyone on That Side of the Water:
What IS extract of malt? I know Kanga fed it to Roo and eventually to Tigger. Does it exist out here in the real world? And what would you do with it in a regular ol' kitchen?

Posted on 2 Dec 2012 18:31:49 GMT
Last edited by the author on 2 Dec 2012 18:35:53 GMT
pixie says:
Muntons Malt Extract (Medium)postwar kids were fed a spoonful a day to ward off the colds and coughs and everything else!
This one is for home brewing but there are different kinds..some for baking and other's for the poor kids! That one is to show you what it's like?

Posted on 2 Dec 2012 19:50:16 GMT
Yeah, I saw at the bottom in the "similar products" thing, extract of malt with cod liver oil...and butterscotch?? o.O

Posted on 2 Dec 2012 20:45:06 GMT
vic says:
Im sorry but why cant dogs eat meat, fish & raw eggs? Over the last year every dog food ive tried have given my dogs very bad runs, then I heard about feeding dogs a raw diet, tried it and can't believe the difference in them! Ive been feeding raw now for five months and not once have they had the runs! And garlic in very small doses is excellent for preventing fleas!

Posted on 2 Dec 2012 22:04:29 GMT
wobberoo says:
vic, sorry, I know I'm not a dog, but not sure about the garlic? It certainly doesn't work for me?

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Dec 2012 22:11:43 GMT
pixie says:
Goes well with cabbage Roo..hee hee!x

Posted on 2 Dec 2012 22:15:08 GMT
Christ, I must have fed my dog most of the things that have been listed in this thread

He eventually died due to kidney failure. Do you think the fact that he helped himself to any leftovers contributed to his death?

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Dec 2012 00:12:45 GMT
Last edited by the author on 3 Dec 2012 00:28:08 GMT
They are all on the list of 'Foods to Avoid' that my Vet sends out as standard once a year, vic?
But I know that dogs have been eating raw meat diets for years - and I have never come across anyone who has had a serious problem with it, either?

So, I don't think that there is anything really wrong with giving raw meats as such, but apparently being uncooked, there is always a slight risk of bacteria being present? Also, my Vet says that feeding excessive amounts of fat that is trimmed from meat (both cooked and uncooked) can cause Pancreatitis in dogs. If you know where your source of meat is coming from, and keep it lean, then I think that you should be fine.

Particular kinds of fish such as salmon, trout, shad, or sturgeon can contain a nasty parasite that causes "Fish Disease" or "Salmon Poisoning Disease", which if not diagnosed and treated immediately can be fatal. It is easily destroyed by the cooking process though. Raw Eggs may contain strains of salmonella and E-coli, and our pets are just as susceptible as us when it comes to food poisoning, plus there is an enzyme in raw Eggs that interferes with the absorption of a particular B vitamin. This can cause unpleasant skin problems, as well as affecting the condition of your dog's coat, if raw Eggs are regularly given over a long period of time.

Avocados contain a substance called Persin. It's totally harmless to humans unless they are allergic to it, but large amounts might be prove toxic to dogs. Onions and garlic in all forms (powdered, raw, cooked, or dehydrated) can destroy a dog's red blood cells, which could lead on to Anaemia. An occasional small dose is probably okay, but eating a large quantity in one go or eating smaller amounts fairly regularly can cause poisoning.

Grapes and raisins contain certain enzymes that can cause kidney failure in dogs - and only just a small amount of them can make a dog seriously ill. Milk and dairy-based products are known to cause Diarrhea and tummy upsets, as well as setting up future food allergies as the dogs get older. Raw or roasted Macadamia Nuts are a great danger because as few as 4 or 5 can prove fatal - and seeds or pips in Fruits may possibly cause inflammation or obstructive build-ups in the small intestines.

I know Mrs P.?!!.....
I have also fed some of these to my previous dogs over the years - and not been aware of any problems with some of them before? - but I like to play safe when in doubt, and so I always keep this list pinned up in my kitchen for reference now. Several of my dogs have been gently put-down before they died of Kidney Failure, but they have all lived without exception to 14+ years of age, and so I think that organ failure is very common in older dogs who are approaching the natural end of their lives.....x

Posted on 3 Dec 2012 06:59:55 GMT
I'm going to bookmark this page just in case we get another dog in the future. Thankyou for providing this information suzy. I'm sure it will be a help to all the dog owners on here

Posted on 3 Dec 2012 08:20:18 GMT
Last edited by the author on 3 Dec 2012 08:21:17 GMT
About the chocolate thing, my vet (or rather my cat's vet) said that the formulae used for commercially-made chocolate has changed over the years with different processing techniques and new additives etc. Like tobacco, chocolate is now processed in a way that increases the concentration of the stimulating elements such as theobromine. Gives a bigger "energy kick" and is also more addictive to humans.
You can avoid the parasites in fish by freezing the fish before giving it. In Spain now all fish is frozen, even the stuff sold fresh, to a certain temperature to kill them.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Dec 2012 12:08:02 GMT
Isobel Ayres says:
Raw meats are in fact fantastic for your dog, and especially for your cat. It's what they are evolved to eat (especially in the case of cats).

It does need to in the right quantities/make-up (in terms of percentage of muscle meat, bone and offal) which is why I now feed my cats pre-ground raw food from Honey's (which also do dog food). It comes frozen and you just defrost and feed. They love it and are so much healthier than they were six months ago it's not even funny.

I've not done the research with dogs, but with cats (being obligate carnivores with a requirement for a 97% protein diet - the only non-protein they eat naturally is what they find in the stomachs of their prey, which they eat all of) any kind of carbohydrate can cause serious insulin imbalances - their bodies cannot cope properly with with carbohydrates. It's why so many cats are fat when fed dry foods, and why so many cats end up with diabetes now.

Mine only get meat treats now - you can get 100% meat freeze dried treats (like Thrive and their ilk) and they adore them. Honey's do dried liver treats that they go nuts for, too.

They often do want to get into my bolognese, though, or stew-y type things, but cats must never have onion or garlic. They destroy the cat's red blood cells and cause potentially fatal anaemia, even with quite small amounts of onion.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Dec 2012 12:16:55 GMT
Thanks Isobel.....x
I love these forums - the way that we all come together - sharing and learning such useful information.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Dec 2012 13:28:27 GMT
Last edited by the author on 3 Dec 2012 13:34:06 GMT
Isobel Ayres says:
It's funny - the adverts for cat food are so misleading! Like that Iams ad that says wet food is blah-de-blah percent water, but theirs has more 'high-quality nutrition'. A piece of steak is 70% water, too! And in fact it's really important to feed cats wet food, because they have a very low thirst drive as they've evolved to get most of their liquid requirements from their food.

If you feed them dried food, they will drink more to compensate, but they will still take in about 50% of the water of a cat eating wet (ideally raw) food. This leads to urinary problems, especially in neutered males, such as crystals in the urine, kidney stones or blocked urethras (which can cause ruptured bladders if the owner doesn't notice - if it's an outside cat, for example). So then you get Hills Science diet doing 'neutered male' dried food, supposed to reduce crystals in the urine, when the simple solutions is: don't feed dry food! Ta da!

The other thing that drives me completely bats is when humans try and force human sensibilities on their animals - like vegans who try to force their cats onto a vegan diet! If you can't stand to watch an cat eat what it's evolved to eat, then get a rabbit!

Sorry. I'm putting my soap box away, now!

Posted on 3 Dec 2012 13:32:04 GMT
Human beings are also about 60% water, come to that. Does that mean we are low quality nutrition? Maybe those who don't frequent this board, anyway...LOL
Crystals in a cat's urine are no joke. And my vet kept recommending dry food. Why? Because he sold "special" dry food in the surgery. DH couldn't resist bringing home tins on his way in from work. Saul the cat would wait for him by the door.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Dec 2012 13:33:40 GMT
Last edited by the author on 3 Dec 2012 13:37:25 GMT
Isobel Ayres says:
Having spoken to a few vets, they say that they don't learn much about nutrition unless they choose to specialise - they've got so much to learn about so many animals, it's not concentrated on that much. So, they don't always know that much more than what the sales rep from the dry food company is telling them.

Funny re: Saul - he knew what was best :) It's like my Tigger - previously the fussiest eater in the world, ever. Now, on raw food, he's such a good eater he tries to steal Smokey's food.

Posted on 3 Dec 2012 15:42:11 GMT
Last edited by the author on 3 Dec 2012 18:05:02 GMT
Lauren says:
Lenny's link:
As Isobel said: "It does need to in the right quantities/make-up (in terms of percentage of muscle meat, bone and offal)"
It might seem troublesome starting off; but it will soon become second nature - especially when you see how well your pet is doing and that they actually enjoy it.
"There are far too many people giving eggs and meat to their pets without providing a balance to all the phosphorus they contain. Meat contains no calcium, and lots of phosphorus; bones contain lots of calcium. Eggs contain lots of phosphorus; the shells contain calcium. That is nature's balance. If we feed meat without bones or eggs without shells, or aren't sure of the correct ratios of those things to feed, we must use something to replace them."

Posted on 3 Dec 2012 19:02:52 GMT
pixie says:
Not to be rude but I was reading the reason we don't see white dog poo these days is that dogs don't eat bones like they used to...I remember seeing white doggy do alot when i was younger!

Posted on 3 Dec 2012 19:11:36 GMT
And if they got into the box of Crayolas, we used to find "Easter eggs" on the lawn. Srsly.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Dec 2012 19:55:03 GMT
You're correct Pixie. I found this on the white dog poo debate:

The disappearence of white dog poo is down to what dogs eat these days.

White dog poo is the calcium left behind as the water evaporates, and the 'organic' components of the crap are consumed (in various ways) leaving the inorganic stuff behind.

Historically, before BSE came along, butchers used to dish out bones for dogs to munch on.

But nowadays dogs don't eat as much bone as they used to, including bone meal. This all got the lid shoved on it due to the BSE crisis. Also, tighter regulation on dogs crapping on pavements means that turds don't hang around for years in public places like they used to, giving them less opportunity to dry out and turn white.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Dec 2012 19:56:25 GMT
pixie says:
Well! What'd ya know! Lol!
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