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Saturated fats and sugar, what do you think about the new findings and our health.

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Initial post: 8 Mar 2014 10:55:10 GMT
I do a lot of reading about nutrition, too much, I sometimes think. I,m reading David Gillespie,s books at the moment and he firmly believes that it is fructose that is doing all the damage. Heart disease, obesity, metabolic syndrome,type2 diabetes et al. Table sugar is half glucose, half fructose and he recommends no more than 10g of fructose per day, the equivalent of two pieces of fruits worth of sugar. Any thoughts would be welcome.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Mar 2014 11:21:10 GMT
Maggie says:
My problem with all this Diamond is that we are told "this is unhealthy for you. Scientists have discovered new facts etc,etc, do as we say, we're the axperts" 10 years later scientists discover more new facts, - the old "facts" were wrongly interpreted. Do as we say ,we know best......10 years later.....and so on ad infinitum.

Posted on 8 Mar 2014 12:03:59 GMT
Hmm, moderation in all things. But do think about trying all things. The variety is probably the most essential part of our life, after all we are omnivores.

Just now I was watching Ken Hom and Ching-He Huang eating river centipedes in Yunan, and even they were uncertain about it. But the locals thought those delicacies were super. When you are hungry you can eat anything, and grow to appreciate it. As a six year old living near the Zambesi I used to enjoy fried locusts (pull off the wings and feet, coat in butter, sugar and flour, and drop on to hot-plate or stone) given like sweeties to us children (black and white) in the local African village, until my parents discovered where I had wandered off to.

Posted on 8 Mar 2014 12:52:13 GMT
High fructose corn syrup. Highly addictive, highly fattening, very cheap filler. That's a real problem.
And in the US, it's in everything.

People don't seem to cook anymore, even here in Spain. I mean--precooked rice/vermicelli in a foil pouch? How long does it take to boil water?

DH and I are v. healthy, even though he doesn't eat much in the way of fruit and veg, and I think it's down to the fact that we eat fresh, home-cooked food every day. I was in the Corte Ingles (swanky dept store) food hall. Two ladies ahead of me spent 200 Euros, mostly onprocessed junk. Biscuits, "cappucino" powder in individual envelopes, crisps and snack foods, etc. Oh, but that's okay, because they only had highpriced name-brand processed junk! Even their fruit was precut and sealed up in little plastic pots. I'd rather see how fresh the fruit is before it's cut up, thank you. They reminded me of my elder sister who only ate namebrand processed junk--and referred to things by the brand name. It was never "would you like a coffee" but always "Would you like a Nescafe Gold?" or such as that.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Mar 2014 17:52:35 GMT
Maggie says:
With regards to wanting to see how fresh the fruit was before it was cut up, I always remember a cousin of mine who worked in a well known canning factory telling me to never buy tins of fruit cocktail, sliced peaches or pears, or pineapple chunks, but to always buy peach and pear halves and sliced pineapple as inferior fruit was used when it was cut small.

Posted on 8 Mar 2014 18:17:06 GMT
Yeah, that's why they cut it up small!

All these dietmiesters and scaremongers want us to die in perfect health, I guess. So to speak.

Did you read the "article" (well I say article) on Yahoo about the guy who "followed" the Special K diet and didn't realise that double cream was fattening? The diet "made" him weigh 18 stone.

They walk among us, they vote, and they reproduce. Kinda scary, innit!

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Mar 2014 19:31:08 GMT
Maggie says:
I keep telling my family,if we follow all the health rules (impossible because different experts dish out different rules) we STILL have to die of something, and if we don't ,and we all carry on living well then they'll have to dream up ways tho get rid of us oldies.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Mar 2014 21:46:05 GMT
Maggie says:
Hi,Ori just found an article on the man on Special K diet (Mail Online). He actually thought eating double cream and jam on Special K was healthy. He thought jam counted as fruit and cream with Special K was Ok.
His "healthy diet" was between 6000 and 8000 calories per day.
What can you say?!!

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Mar 2014 22:25:59 GMT
Sounds like a plan, only a big cereal company, with major advertising power could persuade us that a product with over 17percent sugar content could help us slim in the first place. They want stringing up if you ask me. Food manufacturers , like big pharma, don,t care about us, just making money and the governments have little power to stop them, they are a powerful force in global economy.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Mar 2014 22:39:16 GMT
Maggie says:
If they had the power, I doubt that they would use it. Call me cynical ,but they have too many fingers in too many pies. They are very good at paying lip service to various causes and creating sound bites , but when it comes down to real action................

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Mar 2014 22:40:55 GMT
Yes, I think you have it there. It cannot be healthy to cut great swathes of food from your diet. Some people, celebrities and models spring to mind, eschew meat, carbs,sugar salt and dairy from their diets. How can that be good for anybody. The trouble I see with moderation is that it is like a piece of string, how long is that??. Your idea of moderation may be totally different from mine. Too many experts and not enough real knowledge seems to be the order of the day. Our government and that of the USA, for example are deeply concerned about the cost of the obesity epidemic and yet seem powerless to tackle the food manufacturers, who care little for our health and more for their pockets. I strongly believe that they are the cause of a lot of our woes in today's commercial world. People are actively encouraged to eat foods that are loaded with salt, sugar and fat because they are cheap and highly addictive substances, and for most part it is CRA........pxxx

Posted on 11 Mar 2014 22:05:55 GMT
The latest 'no-go' is protein from what I read last week. Fat used to be the baddy, now it's sugar. We're told to take vitamin & mineral supplements, then told we shouldn't. I personally think like most of us on here do. You can eat anything in moderation and preferably cooked from scratch from fresh ingredients. Celebrity chefs don't help. All dishes require vast amounts of cooking oil of one variety or another, butter or cream. I'm surprised Jamie hasn't died from olive oil poisoning!

Posted on 12 Mar 2014 08:30:59 GMT
When I was a kid, olive oil, blue fish and pork were all terrible for you. Red meat and salad were good. Wine? Don't be silly, decent people don't drink. Plenty of fresh milk was good for your bones.
Now olive oil is excellent to reduce cholesterol, blue fish has those essential Omega 3's (whatever they are) and pork is "the other white meat." Red meat is a killer, and you've got to have carbohydrates for energy. A glass or two of wine is good for your heart. Milk? Don't be silly! Milk leaches the calcium from your bones, I have heard somewhere!!
I'm waiting for them to tell us that sugar is good for our teeth.

Posted on 12 Mar 2014 11:37:18 GMT
Bearman says:
I am working on the principle that researches will soon prove that truffles, caviar, lobster, wild mushroom risotto, clotted cream and champagne all contain vital micronutrients not found in other foodstuffs.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Mar 2014 13:47:28 GMT
Maggie says:
They'd better not. If they do the price will rocket on these new super foods, and then you will never be able to afford them.

Posted on 12 Mar 2014 17:30:23 GMT
Today I read that protein is essential for good health and a long life. I know that the scientists change their minds, but come on, it was only last week we were told it was bad for you. I think the supermarkets are behind it all. The idea being we'll throw out everything that's been declared bad and stock up with this weeks latest essential, must have health food. Mind you I don't throw things out, I just wait for them to come back into favour, OR use it as a good excuse to cook a multi course meal and have a blow out. No wonder I can't lose weight.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Mar 2014 19:14:39 GMT
I,m sick to death of it happy, but there is no doubt that something needs to be done. The rise in obesity levels, heart disease, cancers and diabetes has been phenomenal over the last thirty years or so and no one knows what to do about it. It is a very complex, not to mention political problem. Governments and health experts know what needs tobe done but the big food giants have them by the round things, and take them to court over the merest suggestion that they reduce the levels of addictive substances in our food to a more healthy level. Until we start to fight back and take control ourselves it will carry on as it is and people living on or under the poverty line are in even more difficult straights when a packet of custard creams providing several hundred calories worth of energy is so much cheaper than healthy veg which only provides a few calories worth of energy and they perhaps cannot afford to cook it anyway. Some people make losing weight and healthy eating sound so easy and black and white but it is far more complex than we who pulled my,m ranting again.xxxx

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Mar 2014 19:16:19 GMT
I think they mean unhealthy when taken to extremes as in Atkins for example.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Mar 2014 19:34:41 GMT
Someone gave me a stack of Reader's Digest magazines that spanned about 3-4 years, once. I was starving for reading material in English so I quickly read through them. It was hysterical: May's "superfood" or Wonderdrug would be November's shock-horror poison.
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