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Initial post: 25 Aug 2011 23:35:33 BDT
Hadi Sami says:
Ok so ive just got into graphic novels and comics. I've got batman : the killing joke and venom vs carnage. I really liked the story and the insight into the joker's past , but i wish it was a bit longer. Venom vs carnage was really good , and i would like to purchase the toxin graphic novel but unfortunately its very expensive.

Also i want to make this clear. I cant buy comics because there is no comic book store anywhere near me. So i have to purchase the "graphic novels" like venom vs carnage which is basically a collection of a series of comics. Are these graphic novels called anything in particular and am i the only guy who collects comics in this way?

Also im really interested in the civil war arc but im not sure which one to get , there are quite a few. Is there one book that includes all of the civil war comics?

And what is a good deadpool graphic novel? I love deadpool.

I also like Bane from batman and found this : Batman Versus Bane
Since its not released yet does this mean the comics which supply the storyline are still in production and havent finished yet? If so would this graphic novel be any good?

Im also looking to purchase the preacher series , since ive heard good things about them , any other vertigo novels to get?

And finally , what are some tips for a beginner into the comic world like me? thanks

Posted on 26 Aug 2011 13:34:48 BDT
Neil Gaiman's "Sandman" series is probably still the ultimate Vertigo series. available as 4 hardcovers or 10 softcovers.

Posted on 27 Aug 2011 01:44:14 BDT
Watchmen,
The BOys,
100 bullets,
Sandman - agree its great,
ultimates avengers - marvel can be good

Posted on 27 Aug 2011 09:20:13 BDT
i really got into the civil war story, got at least a dozen of the graphic novels, just do what i did and start with the main one, road to civil war and front line are also pretty good, then just buy the likes of civil war: captain america, iron man, fantastic four, spiderman et al to get different perspectives on the story

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Aug 2011 22:47:32 BDT
Last edited by the author on 27 Aug 2011 22:50:02 BDT
Martin M. says:
I'm also quite new to comics (mainly Batman), so I can't give you that many recommendations. However I believe Batman versus Bane will be a collection of older stories. DC has not solicited this book yet, so a bit hard to tell what will be the contents.

If you want to get into more Batman these books are what most readers recommend to new Batman readers:
- Year One
- The Dark Knight Returns
- The Long Halloween (you can follow up with Dark Victory)
- Hush
- Grant Morrison Batman run (Batman & Son, The Black Glove, RIP, Batman & Robin vol. 1/2/3, Return of Bruce Wayne and Batman Incorporated)

I would also suggest the recently finished arc by Scott Snyder, called The Black Mirror, which is an epic run! Batman fans have been raving about it. It should be released in November.

From Vertigo I can recommend American Vampire, which recently won an Eisner Award for best new series. It's also written by Snyder and the first arc is co-written by Stephen King!

Other Vertigo titles - Y:The Last Man is brilliant. See if you can get all the hardcovers, because you'll be reading it more than once! Also DMZ and Scalped are really good. And I can't highly recommend Daytripper enough (also won an Eisner award).

Well that's just my recommendations. Have fun reading comics.

Posted on 27 Aug 2011 22:52:56 BDT
Martin M. says:
Also wanted to add that on the Vertigo website you can read most series' first issue for free, so you can see if it's something you like before you decide to buy.

Posted on 28 Aug 2011 20:23:02 BDT
"The Sandman" doesn't get REALLY good until 'season 2' 6 or 7 issues in , though. So reading the first issue might not quite convince.
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Posted on 28 Aug 2011 21:05:13 BDT
Hadi Sami says:
Thanks a lot for the help guys. Ive recently just read batman : year one and i love it. I'll probably get the long Halloween. I want to get y: the last man but there seems to be many paperbacks and i dont want to get hooked on the series but not being able to find the next book. Is there a collection of all of them in one or a couple of books? Also i think i'll also pickup watchmen.

Posted on 29 Aug 2011 18:01:10 BDT
Last edited by the author on 29 Aug 2011 18:49:40 BDT
Dayspring says:
Hi if you are still looking for Preacher get the deluxe hardcovers,the 1st 4 volumes are out now with 5 coming soon. They are a little expensive just under 20 quid each but look great and are the best way to read this series if you missed them back in the day. Also as everyone else has already said Sandman was/is groundbreaking and a must read if you fancy Vertigo style books. On a last note Hellblazer was undoubtedly my Favourite book from this era but as i lost track of that book as i got older i can give no advice about the order of the trade paperbacks currently out there...bloody loads of them!!

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Aug 2011 23:11:22 BDT
Last edited by the author on 29 Aug 2011 23:17:05 BDT
Martin M. says:
Y: The Last Man was released as 5 deluxe books. Bigger size than the 10 paperbacks and with hardcovers. If you can't find them on amazon UK, they should be in stock on the US amazon, which works out around the same price including shipping costs.

Posted on 30 Aug 2011 14:00:00 BDT
LOTHAR says:
As a Batman fan, Dark Knight Returns really needs to be next on your list. One of the all-time finest. Watchmen, Y - The Last Man and Preacher are all great suggestions. The Boys and The Goon are two more that I heartily recommend. The Sin City books are a lot of fun too - I'm just looking over my shelves as I type this and there are far too many to decide which are worth your time! Hack and Slash, Sandman, Walking Dead, The Exterminators - all are a blast. This is not to mention the literally innumerable one-off books that are worth your time, such as The Nightly News, Nightmare Alley, Outlaw Nation, The Other Side... I could go on forever. Your best bet is to take a day trip to your nearest Forbidden Planet with a pen and paper. Spend a couple hours leafing through the graphic novels. Anything that catches your eye, make a note of the title and author. Anything that doesn't immediatley grab you, don't bother with (for now. It's not always the best system, but when you're jsut starting out, you are well and truly spoiled for choice). Then go back home and look on Amazon for the best deals (FP usually has good selection and obscene pricing) and say goodbye to all your time and money for the rest of your life! Enjoy! You are at the beginning of a wonderful adventure.....

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Aug 2011 21:09:41 BDT
Hadi Sami says:
Thanks! I have heard a heap loads about dark knight returns , and ive started reading the walking dead series as well. Thanks for all of the suggestions and i happen to be going to forbidden planet this sunday , but are the prices really that high? I was hoping to buy some stuff but i guess i should do what you said and make some notes. thanks for all the help people!!

Posted on 31 Aug 2011 13:39:15 BDT
Shaunie B says:
Batman the Long Halloween, Haunted Knight and Dark Victory...three must have Batman titles great stories and artwork from Leph Loeb and Tim Sale. If you find you like Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale then I would also reccommend Daredevil Yello and Spiderman Blue.
Also, if you like Bane then I would have to say read the Knightfall Triology...also one of the best Batman Trilogy.
There's also Ultimate Spiderman which is really good and a great starting point.
Also, try the Walking Dead books...an amazing story.

Posted on 2 Sep 2011 16:47:14 BDT
If you like Deadpool, the best way to go is with any of the collections written by Daniel Way, really fun stuff. Way also did a Venom series a few years back that's collected in a massive volume with all 18 or so issues for under 20 quid that's worth a read.

Also, I just read this week what I consider to be one of the best Marvel graphic novels I've ever picked up in Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine by Jason Aaron and Adam Kubert. Truly phenomenal story with some of the best art I've seen in a comic in years.

Posted on 15 Sep 2011 16:24:26 BDT
Taidgh Lynch says:
go on the vertigo and image comics websites. Most of the comics you can download a copy of the first issue of a series. That should give you a good idea of the comic. You should check out other writers like the Luna brothers - Girls and The Sword come to mind. I normally stay away from most of the superhero stuff.

You should have a look at:
DMZ
Fell Volume 1: Feral City,
The Tourist (nothing to do with the film thanks be to jeebus),
Dark Rain
Elephantmen
Scalped
Black Hole (anything from Charles Burns)
Sweet Tooth
Northlanders
Unwritten
Revolver
Strange Adventures
Transmetropolitan
Freakangels

I could go on, but I've already given you quite a list. Sure if you want to be loaded down with more info let me know. Take it handy.

Posted on 26 Sep 2011 13:58:44 BDT
Jase W says:
I do buck the trend when it comes to Batman Long Halloween, I think the artwork in some places is horrible, particularly the Joker who is depicted with about 300 teeth. The women all look ugly, and it has a really dull colour scheme and a messy feel. I also dont think the storyline is particularly great either, it shoe-horns in lots of Batman villains for the sake of it and has a pretty poor twist ending.

Ok, I am sure that might annoy fans of the book, but I'm not trying to be controversial, I simply didn't like it at all.

I would suggest Sin City as a great selection of graphic novels. I love the noir feel, the brilliant use of black and white and silhouettes and some great twisted characters.

Posted on 26 Sep 2011 14:09:15 BDT
Jase W says:
One thing as quite a beginner myself I much prefer self contained stories than the marvel/dc stuff. I find the superhero stuff a little impenetrable, because its so hard to know where to start. I thought with the Ultimate universe it may be a way to get in from the beggining on something but Ive heard even that has been rebooted.

The other thing I dont like about the Marvel and DC lines is that there is no real surprises, you know at the end of the day the hero will win, there's no jeopardy. Even if he dies he will be resurrected a few months later.

Posted on 8 Oct 2011 15:52:21 BDT
MoreMoore says:
Some personal favourites from myself that complement the posts above are:
Justice 1-3 - Krueger, Ross.
Kingdom Come - Waid, Ross.
1602 - Gaiman.
Countdown to Final Crisis 1-4 Various
If you like Vertigo titles check out the Swamp thing series - Moore, Veitch
If you like Bane it may be worthwhile looking at the Secret Six - Gail Simone
Read as many as possible and enjoy

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Oct 2011 02:05:14 BDT
Taidgh Lynch says:
Check out Daytripper. It's a series of stories with the main character living in Brazil and about different times in his life, the only thing is at the end of each story he dies. Thought you might be interested. Take it handy

Posted on 17 Oct 2011 11:45:48 BDT
Practically everything by Allan Moore - Watchmen, V For Vendetta, From Hell, Swamp Thing, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Prometheus. Moore was just a modern revolutionary in the comic world.
Kick Ass by Miller/Romita is cool
Maus by Art Spiegelman is a gravely historical masterpiece
The Incal by Jodorowsky and Moebius is space opera sci fi brilliance
Contract With God Trilogy by Will Eisner is simply magnificent

Posted on 17 Oct 2011 20:35:16 BDT
Ian Williams says:
There are a lot of very good recommendations here from people but I would have liked to know how old you are before suggesting some of them. Plus there is a lot more to comics/graphic novels than superheroes.

Posted on 17 Oct 2011 21:47:59 BDT
Last edited by the author on 17 Oct 2011 22:03:24 BDT
Taidgh Lynch says:
If you look at the suggestions a lot of them mention non superhero comics. Although from what Hadi Sami implies it seems to me he is going more for the superhero stuff. Also the criteria for suggestions had nothing to do with age only recommendations. I am 31. Also keep in mind I have no idea what age you are.

If you want to find out more about comics it would be handy to visit your local library or pick up Graphic Novels: Stories to Change Your Life or 1,000 Comic Books You Must Read. The second book starts with comics from 1930 to the present and various genres.

Some more recommendations with various genres. If you want more ideas send me a post

Criminal: The Deluxe Edition HC
Noir
Bone: One Volume Edition: 1 (Bone Series)
Cages
Michael Chabon Presents...The Amazing Adventures of the Escapist: v. 1
The Nikopol Trilogy
Prince Valiant Vol.1: 1937-1938 (Prince Valiant (Fantagraphics)) - Good deal on Fantagraphics at the moment
Frank Book, The
Therefore, Repent!
Spleenal
The Savage
The Quitter
House of Mystery: Room and Boredom v. 1 (House of Mystery)
The Filth
Strange Suspense (Steve Ditko)
Nocturnal Conspiracies: Nineteen Dreams
Richard Matheson's I Am Legend
The Road to Perdition
The Surrogates
Abandoned Cars
Black Kiss
Cerebus (Cerebus, Book 1)
Sanctum
Hellshock: The Definitive Edition
B.P.R.D. Hell on Earth Volume 1:New World
Red Monkey Double Happiness

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Oct 2011 17:30:30 BDT
J. L. Volley says:
Wow! Someone on this thread who's not mindlessly suckling on the teat of mass media conglomerates! Abandoned Cars is great, Jim Woodring's a genius, The Red Monkey Double Happiness Book is lovely funny cartooning, Haven't read Nocturnal Conspiracies but David B. is another genius along with Pekar, Ditko and (arguably) Dave Sim.
If you superhero kids want something DIFFERENT then you'd do well to try any of the aforementioned!
Oh, and just because a comic is "independent" or "alternative" or "underground" it doesn't mean the art's crap!
...And 1-800 Mice by Matthew Thurber is the best (collected) graphic novel I've read in ages!

Posted on 19 Oct 2011 21:33:18 BDT
Jase W says:
Yeah i spose you dont ever do anything remotely connected to the mainstream JL Volley, we all wish we were as cool and radical as you.

Posted on 19 Oct 2011 22:55:53 BDT
Last edited by the author on 19 Oct 2011 23:29:20 BDT
The Reader says:
If you enjoyed "Venom vs Carnage", then I recommend the new "Carnage" tpb by Zeb Wells. As for Bane, if your a fan, pick up "Batman Knightfall" volume 1 and 2.
I can't personally recommend any Deadpool stories myself as I've read very little Deadpool, but I've heard great things from many people on the "Deadpool/Cable" collections. If you're enjoying The Walking Dead, I'd recommend trying Marvels take on the Zombie universe with "Marvel Zombies Dead Days".
Only tip I can think of is to buy online where possible; Comic shops, such as forbidden planet sometimes have great sales on, but overall they are ridiculously expensive!
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