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Initial post: 28 Nov 2011 13:16:12 GMT
I think DC

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Nov 2011 19:01:01 GMT
Woody says:
Agreed, DC is best. I dont know why but I have always found DC less erm........pretentious, is that the right word ?

Posted on 4 Dec 2011 17:32:46 GMT
Currently marvel is a bunch of dollar worshipping nasties who are willing to get terrible writers (cough!JephLoeb!cough) to completely butcher their characters. Every other story is a money waving event were as DC tells smart, intelligent stories that care about their characters.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Dec 2011 18:35:16 GMT
I think you are absolutely right.

Posted on 5 Dec 2011 15:01:56 GMT
MAKE MINE MARVEL!

Posted on 6 Dec 2011 12:25:07 GMT
R. A. Caton says:
Pre - 1965 I'd say DC.
Post '65 they are as bad as each other. Keep heroes SUPER damn it, less of the angst.

Posted on 6 Dec 2011 16:24:17 GMT
Mr RD Mance says:
With all of the coss-over, Re-boot cash ins... They are all as bad as each other... Saying that I still read loads of them...

When DC is good, its the best out there... But mediocre Marvel beats mediocre DC every time...

Posted on 7 Dec 2011 07:09:57 GMT
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Wayne says:
Dc for me. Always felt dc attracted better writers and had more mature and interesting stories. I do enjoy marvel and at times they have been utterly superb but overall dc have displayed a more consistent quality in my eyes.

Posted on 7 Dec 2011 19:56:04 GMT
Cerberus says:
Jeph Loeb a terrible writer ???

Hmmm so where does Batman: The Long Halloween fit then...

Posted on 7 Dec 2011 20:58:51 GMT
Last edited by the author on 7 Dec 2011 21:04:31 GMT
J. Grinling says:
When Loeb writes badly he's god awful, but when he writes well...
*points at Long Halloween and Spider-man Blue*
perhaps Bendis' Darevdevil is as good in mainstream comics, but nothing else comes close.

DC and Marvel are as bad as each other. DC has the wildstorm stuff to prop it up, as well as vertigo. I prefer Marvel's characters. The DC Trinity bore me to tears...and after they brought back Barry Allen and..well DC are a joke these days like Spidey post OMD as far as I'm concerned.

@BWVGN:
uhuh..DC haven't done anything stupid recently, apart from reboot the whole universe because their sales numbers were down and they wanted to put a whole load of number one issues on the selves..yeah they write character based storylines with Superboy punching the walls of reality. Mature storytelling my foot.

Posted on 8 Dec 2011 10:21:15 GMT
JJG says:
*Yawn*

Like what you like. Anyone can point to so called mature story lines on both sides, both have brought characters back cheaply and both have been bogged down in crossover events.

The only FACT is pre the new 52, Marvel were killing it sales wise, they had over 40% (some months pushing near 50%) of industry sales, more than DC (about 25-30%) did and about 8-10x what Image did. My own view on that is Marvel were smart about who they brought in and who they keep on books, looking at the talent they had/have on their exclusives roster they have amazing depth in quality and differing styles. They have books to cater to most readers, even if traditional superhero fodder is not your first field.

Loeb sells books, if he didn't he wouldn't be hired - there is way too much competition for talent in such a small industry, if someone can't meet sales expectations or production deadlines they soon drop from the spot light. I like some of what he's down, but can see it's not generally aimed at me.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Dec 2011 16:30:27 GMT
J.Grinling, The universe may have been rebooted, but the vast majority of continuity is still there, unlike certain MARVEL stories (OMD!). Let's compare some recent stories.
Siege: (a cheap cash in with utterly no character development)
Secret Invasion: (a story so incredibly poorly pulled off they didn't even do anything interesting with it. Wow the Wasp died. That was so tastefully done....)
Ultimatum: (the most terrible, poor taste story ever put to print in my years of reading comics.)
One more day: (Spits on the name of one of the most beloved characters in fiction).
As for DC....
Batman's Grant Morrison run: (A colossal, branching story that whilst on initially reading convuluted, get's better with every read)
All Star Superman: (THE best superman story ever written in my opinion)
Final Crisis: (Colossal in scale, but a little indulgent)
Heart Of Hush: (A story that manages to make the most tripe and uninteresting character a memorable member of Batman's huge rogue gallery)
Not that marvel doesn't have good stories, like The Gaunlet in spiderman or Matt Fraction's Iron man run, but they're few and far between.

Posted on 15 Dec 2011 00:10:29 GMT
B. C. Brown says:
I've always preferred DC.
There are a few things in Marvel that I like, but I find DC in general is much more pleasurable for somebody like who doesn't want to read up on the INCREDIBLY complicated backgrounds of all the characters.

Normally when I try reading Marvel comics I have no idea what the hell is going on, but DC seems much more capable of keeping things self contained.

Posted on 15 Dec 2011 18:07:56 GMT
Ian Williams says:
Just another voice in support of DC. Apart from preferring the characters, DC is much more prepared to take chances compared with Marvel's cynical 'illusion of change'. That said, I love (pre-death) Ultimate Spider-man and the Whedon-Cassady Astonishing X-Men is one of the best superhero series ever.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Dec 2011 09:07:35 GMT
J. Grinling says:
Oh I agree entirely about Siege, Secret Invasion and Ultimatum...not to mention Dark Avengers etc. Odd that those were all pretty much written by one man, Bendis. Much like Loeb, when Bendis writes well, he writes fantastic stories. When he doesn't he writes the above.
Oh and I haven't read Spider-man post OMD so I heartily agree with that.

I disagree with about Morrison's Batman..sorry, it's trash as far as i'm concerned. Haven't read All Star Superman as he bores me to death. Heart of Hush was great, I agree. Final Crisis is no longer in continuity and was appalling in my opinion anyway. They also brought back Barry Allen, which is up there with OMD as far as I'm concerned.

Fraction's Iron Man is very entertaining, but it's not a patch on Abnett and Lanning's Cosmic Marvel run. I've just always preferred the Wildstorm part of DC (Sleeper, Authority, Stormwatch, my beloved Planetary) and Vertigo over DC main universe..not that I'm not a fan of Wally West, the Legion and the Titans. It's just saying that DC is better than Marvel due to good storytelling is..dumb. They really are as crap as each other.

for christsake, Barbara Gordon can walk now. What's the point of her character now?

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Dec 2011 23:00:31 GMT
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Posted on 16 Dec 2011 23:02:12 GMT
Last edited by the author on 16 Dec 2011 23:02:32 GMT
The Reader says:
Heck I like Marvel and I like DC; Can't we all just get along!

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Dec 2011 11:57:00 GMT
Indeed, they've utterly killed what made Barbara such a strong character. She soldiered on despite her disability. All Star Superman is easily the best Superman story ever, and it's nothing like his batman stuff. Trust me, you really are missing out by not reading it. It's not at all self indulgent and incredibly easy to comprehend. Post OMD spiderman is starting to pick up a little.

Posted on 17 Dec 2011 11:57:50 GMT
btw, what did The Reader have to say that was bad enough to get deleted?

Posted on 17 Dec 2011 15:49:55 GMT
Last edited by the author on 17 Dec 2011 15:50:39 GMT
Cerberus says:
[Deleted by the author 16 hours ago] not [Deleted by Amazon 16 hours ago] so maybe a double post looking at the times ?

Posted on 17 Dec 2011 16:19:17 GMT
Cerberus says:
B.W.V.G.N

Regarding Superman graphic novels what about..

Superman: Red Son
Superman: Earth One (Superman Limited Gns (DC Comics R))
Last Son (Superman (DC Comics))

Always was a Marvel fan years ago during the days of John Byrne, Jim Lee, Chris Claremont and co but now expanding my DC knowledge and graphic novel collection, I'm trying to get more of a rounded collection ( of the good stuff lol ) rather than it all being BATMAN based. Now Superman, Flash and Wonder Woman I know little about... Green Lantern is covered by Geoff Johns Rebirth onwards.

All-Star Superman (New Edition) is on one of my lists.

Posted on 17 Dec 2011 16:56:40 GMT
Rory says:
I prefer DC, especially now. The Marvel universe now is a complete mess, and Very bad writers aren't helping. While with DC the universe seems much more structured and IMO the characters are MUCH more interesting, Out of the characters of Marvel i like i can count them in my hand (Captain America, Spider man, Daredevil and Ghost rider) while my DC list is endless...

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Dec 2011 19:49:38 GMT
What about them? I'm not generally sure what your asking here, but I'll hazard a guess. If you're trying to say that they're better than All Star, I think they're fantastic stories, but All Star certainly scrapes it as the best. On the other hand, if you're asking whether they're worth purchasing to get into the character, definatly! Of course, Red Son won't let you warm to the character, what with it being an elseworld story, but it's a good study of what really defines him. Most of my collection's Batman based, all though that's certainly going to have changed after Christmas. Indeed, the days of Bryne and Claremont are long gone, replaced by Bendis and his constant events. Ugh.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Dec 2011 20:49:54 GMT
Cerberus says:
Yeah should have been more clearer as it was in regards to are they worth getting as I tend to look on both Amazon.co.uk and .com for reviews and at times the two can differ which don't help much.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Dec 2011 10:54:53 GMT
They're all great stories, but most of them aren't in actual DC continuity.
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