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Bruce says:
Virtually all of Vaughan William's symphonies have a programme - but they are still great pieces of music :

1 - Sea
2 - London
3 - Pastoral - but in WWI France
4 - War
5 . Ermmm finding peace after the war
6. War and post Nuclear wasteland
7 Antarctic
etc.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Sep 2012 09:17:32 BDT
Androcleas

Carl Nielsen actually wrote an essay about programme music. It's in the collection: "Linving Music". Unfortunately out of print.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=living+music+carl+nielsen&rh=n%3A266239%2Ck%3Aliving+music+carl+nielsen&ajr=0

(I haven't in fact read it yet)

Posted on 22 Sep 2012 11:46:41 BDT
Malx says:
Ermmm good attempt there Bruce!!

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Sep 2012 00:05:03 BDT
Roasted Swan says:
Tchitch - I hadn't read that preface to the new edition of the Nielsen scores - very interesting indeed and full of insight. The "programme" of the Humoresque (sorry haven't checked spelling!) movement is as fascinating as it is odd!

Bruce; can't agree with your programmes for the non-titled VW symphonies. He certainly did not ascribe any specific programme to 4&6 and to say 5 is "peace after the war" is a rather simplistic approach - the musical links back to Pilgrim's Progress are much more significant. 4 he famously denied having written with any presentiment of WWII. Even one isn't about the sea per se but uses Whitman's poetry/ sea imagery for the sense of questing endeavour and exploration of the spirit that it portrays. By all means if that's what you feel they mean to you that's fine but you imply that's what RVW meant and certainly none of the literature I've read says anything of the kind.

Posted on 23 Sep 2012 10:23:19 BDT
Vaughan Williams' first seven symphonies all contain extra-musical ideas but whether that means they have programmes is a different matter. The composer wasn't very helpful; he defiantly denied any extra-musical content but added literary superscriptions to some of the scores or gave explanations using literary references.

He rather disingenuosly said 'It never seems to occur to people that a man might want to write a piece of music'. He also wrote (of the 4th Symphony) 'I wrote it not as a definite picture of anything external.........but simply because it occurred to me like this........I don't think that sitting down and thinking about great things ever produces a great work of art....'. Interestingly, Michael Kennedy says, of the initial critical reaction to the 4th, 'nobody related the symphony to the state of the world in 1935'. and 'The myth developed later'.

As Nick implies above, this leads them open to your own personal interpretation but what VW 'meant' is something different.
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