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Posted on 12 Jul 2012 11:42:55 BDT
Paul B says:
Nick. Dodgy memory. It was 'Family at war'.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 10:45:26 BDT
Nick says:
Paul B. - I do exactly the same - I use the sale of single duplicates to underwrite the purchase cost of the 'new' box set. The potential 'loss' of liner notes by doing that doesn't really bother me with the ability to locate information on just about any piece on the web. To add to your list of classical TV themes;
Tchaik 4 - Ivanhoe
Arnold English Dances - What the Papers Say (or some-such weekly news review I think!)
Spartacus - Onedin Line!!!!
The watermill - The Secret Garden

Don't remember any RVW in the World at War - I thought that was an original score/theme by Carl Davis

Posted on 12 Jul 2012 10:32:31 BDT
Paul B says:
Cheers JJ. I'll have a look for that thread. Could bring back a few memories.
TV, back in the days when CM was used regularly, is responsible for me discovering:
Rach 1...Panorama
Sibelius Karelia.....This week
Prokofiev 1....The Flaxton boys
VW6...The world at war
Delius Sleigh Ride...some kids programme I forget, but had a puppet goose in it!
Sibelius At the castle gate...Sky at night.

I've done quite well by buying some of these bargain boxes, duplicates and all, and selling the original single cds on marketplace. It saves a lot of space.

Posted on 12 Jul 2012 09:14:20 BDT
JayJayDee says:
>Geoffrey, much of that Stokowski box was released as individual mid-price RCA discs in the mid nineties. I cherry-picked the Mahler 2/Brahms 4 and the Shostakovich 6 / Khachaturian discs and that has stopped me from investing in the newer box-set. It's the perennial beef of us collectors that we already have the 'best' 25% of a set before it comes out at knock-down prices.

I have only the 4th Symphony of Weinberg under Kondra (I catalogued him as Vainberg), and I obviously hadn't read the notes to resalise that I still have 21 more to collect!

>Paul - there's a thread in there somewhere...Music first encountered as Radio/TV Intro music

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jul 2012 21:10:50 BDT
Last edited by the author on 10 Jul 2012 21:33:09 BDT
Androcleas says:
Weinberg wrote 22 symphonies - sound is a bit like Shostakovich - but his voice is not so harsh - more Romantic and happier. This is quite a surprise seeing as Weinberg was the only major composer of the Soviet period who actually was locked in a KGB torture chamber for a time (Stalin's death saved him from execution)

He also wrote 17 String Quartets and 7 operas, amongst many other pieces. He was one of Shostakovich's closest friends.

12 is one of the most interesting I have heard so far - it was written in Memoriam Dmitri Shostakovich - but has a voice of its own and improves on repeated hearings.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jul 2012 20:55:01 BDT
Paul B says:
JJ. I suspect only us of a certain age will know what you meant by the 'Panorama bit'. That's how I first came to know it, and bought a CBS LP and fell in love with it. Ormandy I think it was. How can anyone possibly help repeating the Panorama bit anyway, seeing as Rachmaninov was too mean to repeat it himself!

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jul 2012 18:59:08 BDT
Piso Mojado says:
JJD -- Furtwaengler's discography doesn't list a BPO Bruckner Seventh from 1947 but has onefrom 18 October 1949 on Toshiba CD and also on a Urania CD 22,104 that I have, sounding better than either of his from the 1951 BPO tour at Cairo and Rome.

I like Szell on Schumann's second but haven't heard his others.

EMI's box of Furtwaengler's Beethoven symphonies is especially disappointing in the poor-sounding Second and Eighth but includes good versions of some of the others, Four and Six for instance. The two horns are nearly inaudible in Seven.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jul 2012 17:17:50 BDT
Last edited by the author on 10 Jul 2012 17:18:56 BDT
JJD: Yes, part of the Stokowski box-set. I prefer it to his live Mahler 2 (BBC Legends) but that must have been a great event to be at.

I have various Rach 2s, including the famous Previn performance, not sure which is my favourite though. I love the old Boult LP I bought on a market stall and have had for decades.

I suppose alcoholism is no joke really but Shostakovitch's tales of his teacher Glazunov are rare rays of sunshine in Testimony.

Posted on 10 Jul 2012 17:14:09 BDT
Lez Lee says:
JJD, I think that thread's too intellectually challenging for us.

Posted on 10 Jul 2012 17:11:02 BDT
JayJayDee says:
Just love that Previn story about the Russian lady in a shawl offering him an orange after he played Rach 2 uncut in Moscow!
Especially the way Andre pronounced 'orange'.

We're on the wrong thread. Try this one on the Music Forum....
<<<<Can't recall the name of this song... can someone help?>>>>

Posted on 10 Jul 2012 17:07:29 BDT
JayJayDee says:
Just love that Previn story about the Russian lady in a shawl offering him an orange after he played Rach 2 uncut in Moscow!
Especially the way Andre pronounced 'orange'.

Posted on 10 Jul 2012 17:00:19 BDT
Last edited by the author on 10 Jul 2012 17:04:09 BDT
JayJayDee says:
Is that the Stoki with Brahms 4 as a filler?
Actually I prefer the Rach 2 (Previn version) over Rach 1, but have been astonished by the invention of the First Symphony and wonder which way he might have gone if he'd had a sober conductor for the first performance.

Geoffrey, the neighbours won't complain.
They'll be too scared that you might hit them over the head with a Stradivarius and they get a 300 year headache.

Posted on 10 Jul 2012 16:56:29 BDT
JJD: I live in a block of flats and it is really only the neighbours underneath me I have to worry about - I have had no complaints anyway and yesterday let rip with Mahler 2 (Stokowski). The Langgaard piece ranges from absolute silence to ear-shattering and I have an alternative venue I can occasionally use for listening to it - one with no traffic noise. I am obviously missing something with Rach 1, will give it another try.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jul 2012 16:51:02 BDT
JayJayDee says:
Piso, My early contact with Schumann symphonies was through a bargain basement deletion - a mono version of the 1st/4th under Szell. But I think the Rhenish is the best symphony - unless I'm currently listening to the Fourth! (My favourite Furtwangler is the Bruckner 7 from 1949 (which isn't on CD unless anyone can enlighten me!!!). Disappointed by the EMI References series of Furtie/beethoven symphonies. They seem to have chosen a few dull ones!

Is the Szell set available out there with the Fleisher concerto (as on vinyl, I wonder?)
...Goes to check........

Posted on 10 Jul 2012 16:43:10 BDT
Last edited by the author on 12 Jul 2012 08:59:30 BDT
JayJayDee says:
Geoffrey, how far away are the neighbours?
In a semi it could be a bit of a worry when you know they are possibly sitting closer to you than you are to your 'speakers.

And Paul.. when I want a frisson of sheer physical excitement from a piece of music I often resort to the last few minutes of Rach 1. But it sounds best if you've gone right through it all, and not delayed by replaying the 'Panorama' bit!

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jul 2012 11:30:31 BDT
Paul B says:
...and to think it could so easily have been lost for ever. That apocalyptic last movement alone is pure genius.

Posted on 10 Jul 2012 09:44:58 BDT
JJD: I've recently finished listening to Vol 1 of Langgaard's Strinq Quartets and have to say I found them more satisfying than the symphonies I've heard - admittedly only Nos 6, 7 & 8 so far. When the neighbours aren't around I like to give his 'Music of the Spheres' a blast.

Posted on 10 Jul 2012 09:40:31 BDT
JayJayDee says:
You're entitled to one of each, so the more composers identified - the better. This should help some of us to broaden our interests yet further. I didn't know that Weinberg had written as many as twelve TBH.
Anybody for Langaard?

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jul 2012 09:22:53 BDT
Mondoro says:
Paul B,

And not just a response inspired by that disastrous first perfiormance under the baton of Glazunov, reportedly two sheets to the wind, It is better structured than the 2nd and fresher than the 3rd

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jul 2012 07:01:53 BDT
John Ruggeri says:
I am ambivalent about the multi- symphonic composers but on MY Desert island I must have
César Franck: Symphony in d minor. About 1/4 of the composers named I could do without.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jul 2012 02:14:22 BDT
Ian E. says:
Mahler 6

Posted on 9 Jul 2012 22:29:54 BDT
Androcleas says:
One I forgot - Messiaen - Turangalila Symphonie - a piece full of of joy and interesting sonorities - and long enough to keep you busy on your island or wherever for a bit.

Posted on 9 Jul 2012 21:37:39 BDT
Last edited by the author on 9 Jul 2012 21:40:40 BDT
JayJayDee says:
I couldn't make my mind up between Harold and the Fantastique and so held back on Berlioz.
I've loved them both so much at different times in my life - dunno which way to turn.

What would I give to have heard the premiere of Rachmaninov's First - that was the one with the screwdriver obbligato I believe! But they were out of oranges in Russia at the time, and Glazunov wouldn't accept a half empty glass......

Posted on 9 Jul 2012 20:04:07 BDT
lensmaker says:
You are fooled by the sales talk [all this "dramatic symphony" stuff] 6 if you wish to think that way, now list them.
If you think that way he just took up from that Beethoven 9.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jul 2012 19:25:19 BDT
MacDoom says:
And that's another rather major oops!
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