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Initial post: 15 Dec 2010 19:26:25 GMT
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Posted on 17 Dec 2010 20:19:31 GMT
Catmandoo says:
"blu ray.is it a rip off.?"

No. Not really. With good equipment, properly set-up, it can be superb!

I sympathise and agree with the frustration of finding that even brand new equipment, straight from the supplier, sometimes requires its software updating before it will operate at its best - but sadly that is where we are at. Advances in this rapidly-developing technology are such that equipment is almost always already out of date before it reaches the customer.

My experience has been that for customers not able to download upgrades through the Internet reputable suppliers arrange for upgrades to be made freely available on CDs, either from local retailers or directly by post. Slipping these CDs into the CD/DVD player usually detects and displays the status of the system's software and enables the user to upgrade it if necessary. Not a bad system really, and it is hard to see how it could be improved.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Dec 2010 09:48:11 GMT
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Posted on 20 Dec 2010 10:54:12 GMT
A. Steele says:
That's a good point D.I.Whiteley about the PS3. I have a few BD's which refuse to play on my standalone Sony Blu-ray player. All of them play fine on my PS3. Neither machine is connected to the internet.

Posted on 20 Dec 2010 18:21:09 GMT
deano says:
i say no
the blu ray player on internet access will update firmware as and when available.
visually the blu ray is only marginally better than an upscaled DVD but the sound, played through a good system is way better.
wait for the offers on amazon and they are not too expensive.
set up is the key, follow all instructions so you know it has been done correctly - then experiment with the settings.
i started off playing the sound at "40" to get the full cinema feel, but after tweaking the system i can get the same result at "20"
40 would have the police round!

Posted on 20 Dec 2010 18:32:41 GMT
Last edited by the author on 20 Dec 2010 18:33:47 GMT
Wayne says:
"visually the blu ray is only marginally better than an upscaled DVD"

I really do wish idiot know nothings would just shut up and stop using the Internet to voice their ramblings. Seriously the above statement is so wrong it's unbelievable. Blu ray is FAR superior to an upscaled DVD. The only time an upscaled DVD comes close us when a poor blu ray transfer has been done. When studios take the time to do it right blu ray blows DVD out of the water. Please see blade runner and compare the blu ray to the DVD and tell me I'm wrong.

Also poor equipment could he an issue. If you have a crap low cost HD ready tv then this will obviously impact picture quality. If you have a decent set up blu ray us stunning.

Posted on 20 Dec 2010 19:13:48 GMT
Shazzerman says:
Calm down, would you. Even some well-done blu-rays won't set the world on fire in comparison to their dvd versions (especially true of animation); now, before I get called an idiot - by a total stranger at that - blu-ray is STILL far superior (remember that sharpness of image is only one aspect of the presentation), but you have to be savvy to things like colour timing and all that jazz.

Posted on 27 Dec 2010 15:23:20 GMT
I agree with Shazzerman - calling someone an "idiot know nothing" for merely voicing an opinion helps nobody. Furthermore, he/she is right concerning the fact that some blu-rays aren't exactly spectacular in comparison to upscaled DVDs. Take a look at the Godfather BD for instance. By contrast I've seen the Blade Runner BD and admittedly it's brilliant, but the point still stands that some (not all!) blu-rays won't set the world on fire in comparison to their upscaled DVD versions.

For what it's worth, I disagree that "blu ray is a rip-off". For the most part I think it's fantastic and is worth the extra money - but your opinion is determined by what you're looking for. Some people are perfectly happy with saving money and sticking with their (upscaled) DVDs, which is fine. I'm just not one of them.

Posted on 27 Dec 2010 21:48:06 GMT
Wayne says:
I thought the godfather looked great on blu ray. It struck the right balance between sharpness and clarity and the natural grainy film look that the director was going for.

Ok so some blu rays don't have that 'wow' factor that the best examples offer but that's down to lazy film studios trying to make a quick bit of money. I still have yet to see a blu ray that doesn't beat it's DVD equivalent in looks and sound department so I will maintain that the person who posted that blu rays look no better than an upscaled DVD is an idiot.

Posted on 28 Dec 2010 14:28:31 GMT
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Posted on 31 Dec 2010 08:36:09 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 31 Dec 2010 13:09:57 GMT
The 'playability' aspect of blu rays was the main point of your original post, so rather than go on about picture/sound quality improvement (based on 100's bds viewing yes it does range from negligible to phenomenal!) I would seriously advise returning the lg system to the retailer under the sale of goods act;

'Fitness for purpose'?
How about it won't play UK bds from high street shops!
It is unbelievable lg told you to 'wait for an update' to play discs that as you say been available for some time.
I would tell them via the retailer to stick their rubbish and buy any of Sony's 2009/2010 standalone players which perform flawlessly and can be had for a reasonable price.
My bdps350/550/370 are all currently in use play anything thrown at them, before or after software updates.

As for improved sound, it is more noticeable played through a good system (which unfortunately these cheaper all in one systems do not excel at), so if on a budget I would use the tv speakers or build a reasonably priced separates system.

Posted on 31 Dec 2010 14:09:06 GMT
J.Yasimoto says:
"'Fitness for purpose'?
How about it won't play UK bds from high street shops! "

I agree. I bought a Sony player a year ago and it's never failed to play a BluRay (or DVD) despite never being attached to the internet for updates. This is how it should be.

Return your player and get a different model.

Posted on 31 Dec 2010 16:57:04 GMT
Last edited by the author on 31 Dec 2010 18:43:15 GMT
Lee Lucas says:
I have had my Sony BDP-S560 near enough 3 years and have never had a problem playing a Blu Ray Disc at all, not even the films you have mentioned and the latest releases. I have only ever had 1 update from Sony for the Player and that was around 2 years ago. I can only presume the LG was a low budget player, but in saying that you can get something like the Sony BDP-S370 these days for 100 and I am pretty confident you would not have any problems at with playing discs on that.

Upscaled DVD's do look good but really once again its down to the quality of the DVD, a poor quality DVD will look dreadful upscaled and will only look remotely good on 560i. Yes and it's also very true that Animation looks great on DVD as well, but there is still a big Difference between upscaled DVD's and Blu Ray disc's even with Animation. I have all 3 Toy Story's which are very good reference Blu Rays, they all came with DVD with them and if you play the DVD upscaled you will still see blotches in it when you get right up close to the screen, you can spot it a mile off. With the Blu Ray you could press your nose against the screen and will not see a blip never mind a blotch, that's the big difference. So there is no way on the face of this earth an upscaled DVD is as good as a Blu Ray.

The sound as a rule is very good on Blu Ray but once again its down to the sound engineer being good or bad. I still have some concert DVD's that literally blow the HD Sound Formats on Blu Ray in the Dust. But they are a minority and you certainly have got more chance of getting more better sounding Blu Rays in terms of quantity than what you have with DVD's that's for sure. But even in today's standards there still a lot of sound engineers (or should I say so called think they are sound engineers) that simply have not got a clue how to mix 5.1.

In reply to an earlier post on 31 Dec 2010 22:10:02 GMT
J.Yasimoto says:
"and if you play the DVD upscaled you will still see blotches in it when you get right up close to the screen, you can spot it a mile off."

LOL! Make your mind up!!

Posted on 1 Jan 2011 07:12:48 GMT
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Posted on 2 Jan 2011 22:06:58 GMT
Avatouir says:
I used to think animated films are pointless for Blu-Ray but having seen Shrek in both upscaled DVD and Blu-Ray the difference is vast. Admittedly you do need a decent sized full HD TV to apreciate the difference in full but the BD version is absolutely stunning beyond belief.
As I say though it does depend on the hardware. A 720P 42" TV will show maybe a marignal difference between BD and Upscaled good quality DVD, but try the same set up with a 200Hz 24fps complatible LED backlit 42" TV and there's no escaping the limitations of the SD source. Good examples of this include AVATAR, THE DARK KNIGHT and the already mentioned SHREK

Posted on 3 Jan 2011 11:01:34 GMT
Last edited by the author on 3 Jan 2011 11:04:59 GMT
Adam Jackson says:
Blu ray is definiteley better. My fav movie is Mad Max 2 and although I was genuineley impressed with the dvd upscale, I was relieved when i double dipped & bought MM2 on Blu - A big improvement! The only glitch is that maybe the hightened clarity means that you can spot those little mistakes that the director would have otherwise been confident would not be seen.

I watched Return Of The King a few days ago and I couldn't help notice how the sharper definition enhanced the CGI to my eyes more than the live action, personally I thought that jarred a little bit.

My machine is an LG and Ive never had a firmware problem with the dozen or so discs that I have bought so far. The only problems I have ever had are occasional slight audio sync issues on the odd title - the worst being when I watched Triangle DVD via upscale.

Posted on 15 Mar 2011 16:09:20 GMT
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Posted on 16 Mar 2011 13:39:42 GMT
Monty says:
No matter what people believe, DVD upconverted CANNOT match blu-ray content. You can't see what is not there. DVD is limited in detail because of the limited resolution. Upconvert cannot add to what is not there! Even though DVDs may come from 'HD masters', it is downconverted to fit DVD specs. Even with my old 720p DLP television, I could see the difference blu-ray and HD-DVD offered! It is like night and day! Now with a 1080p tv, blu-ray still astonishes me. Not only the video, the audio is FAR superior than what DVD is limited to. But beware, on blu-ray, you probably will see more grain because of the high resolution. Take for instance 1933s KING KONG (US). It has a huge amount of grain, and I am glad they did not DNR (digital noise reduction) because it would cut the detail what is there.
Make sure you don't get a cheap blu-ray player, because I believe you won't see much difference. These are made for people wanting to get on the bandwagon. Spend a few extra bucks, and enjoy your blu-ray player for a long time!!

Posted on 24 Mar 2011 23:33:37 GMT
John Croudy says:
I have a friend who thinks it's a rip off because he just doesn't see any difference worth caring about. People have different tolerances for quality and such. I am cursed by being over-sensitive to picture and sound quality defects. Too many DVDs are transferred badly, with incorrect aspect ratio, frame-rate glitches, pulsating brightness, etc that I sometimes want to scream in despair. Today I received my first Blu Ray box of The Tudors, and watched the first two episodes with my eyes bulging and my tongue on the floor. The picture was perfect, like watching a stream of high-quality JPEGS. I have never seen anything quite so amazing, so I have to say no, it's not a rip-off if you care about picture quality and want the best that technology can provide at this time. I have no, absolutely no idea how I ever watched more than 10 seconds of VHS tape. By the way, I do have a fairly cheap player but it really doesn't make any difference to the picture quality; it just lacks any fancy features you might find on a more expensive one.

Posted on 25 Mar 2011 14:37:47 GMT
Last edited by the author on 25 Mar 2011 14:59:42 GMT
Couldn't agree more John. I have an expensive blu ray player and a cheapo Tesco Technika model, the latter needing only a remote control hack to be multi region for dvds & allow choice of regions A, B or C for blu ray discs.
Despite a big difference in price, the Technika seems to produce the same picture quality even when I have a close-up gawp on a big screen - whether using older blu ray discs or 'reference quality' blu rays like 'The Lovely Bones' , 'Zodiac-Director's Cut' and others. Just a word of caution; having read customer reviews of the Technika on various sites it seems that some people have had problems with the player whilst others continue to be happy after several months (including me) - perhaps an issue of quality control.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Mar 2011 14:49:32 GMT
Monty says:
Just depends on the individual. There are marked differences in quality. It's all about what's inside. I too have an inexpensive region free blu ray player ( just over 100 US dollars) and I am well satisfied with it. But it cannot compare to the high end one when it comes to audio and video. The players have advanced over the years. Really depends on HDMI cable, too. A whole new discussion...

Posted on 25 Mar 2011 15:10:02 GMT
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Posted on 29 Mar 2011 18:02:04 BDT
Axl Crawford says:
This post made me angry. Blu-ray is sheer heaven in most cases.
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