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Do DVDs 'upscaled' on Blu Ray players actually look worse?!


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Posted on 19 Nov 2010 17:11:27 GMT
Well I have to suspect the LG panel, to be honest. Knowing what my friend's LG 40" looked like when handling SD and upscaled sources. They mostly look great on my Sony Bravia.

CRT = Cathode Ray Tube (old fat TV's)
DNR = Digital Noise Reduction (a technique some studios use far too much of when re-mastering old films to DVD or Blu-ray)
Bitrate = How many megabytes per second of video/audio the DVD feeds to the screen (lower is bad...and when films have lots of extras and such, it is a low bitrate, you can check bitrate on most players by pressing the info/display button on the remote...will be displayed as e.g. '05.00Mbps' or similar and fluctuates rapidly depending on the scene)

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Nov 2010 01:59:18 GMT
Silly me I actually ment I have it connected via component sorry not composite, wont bother getting a hdmi compatible dvd player as I hope to get a blu ray player at some point

Posted on 30 Nov 2010 04:39:02 GMT
That's definitely the best course of action, Miss Landmann. As I keep reminding people who are unsure as to whether or not to dip their toes into the world of Blu-ray and HD...they *are* actually DVD players, too. So if you think of it as buying yourself a fancy DVD player that just happens to play Blu-ray discs...it starts to make a lot more sense. It will also upscale your DVD collection, as would an upscaling DVD player, and will likely do a much better job of it to boot.

Also, as DVD players are being made cheaper than ever...it is actually hard to get your money's worth these days. I bought a couple of Philips HDMI upscaling players with USB DivX playback and all the bells and whistles... they were 70 each, which is quite a lot for a DVD player these days. Both are playing up on me already, and neither are two years old yet, and they're used sparingly. Blu-ray players tend to be made to a much higher standard, as with all newer technology. Although as they battle to get more sub 100 Blu-ray players on the shelves, I fear the same cost cutting measures in manufacturing will be used more and more. So now is a good time to spend on a decent Blu-ray player. You'll want to think about future proofing though. e.g. do you have designs on a 3D capable TV at some point? If so, make sure you get a 3D compatible BD player. If not, just make sure it has the latest specs (profile 2.0 and BD Live capability) and you'll be good to go.

Good luck...and happy viewing! :)

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Nov 2010 15:43:57 GMT
Christopher says:
I think a lot of people have been put of with blu-ray players with their terminology 3D, Profile 2.0, BD Live HDMI 1.3/1.4 et al. we didn't really have that with early DVD players although there were problems of incombatibilty mix in internet players (don't get burned with wi-fi dongle costs). It does seem more and more likely that a PS3 is a great buy as it nows supports 3D.

As for DVD player standards the quality has seemed to drop, I have an Sony player which was originally 280 (which was budget back in the day) which I bought on offer and it still feels solid, it's had it's little freak outs where it likes to chapter skip all by itself but its still a solid player. The players today offer more features but have very flimsy disc trays and remotes my Toshiba has started to play up a bit it seems to crash when you press the MENU button on the remote quite often.

So as B. Pritchard posted ask yourself what you want from a player and what you really need, they might be two different things (but try and future proof your purchase, I think things will settle down after 3D (if it becomes popular or just an expensive fad)) although physical purchases of content will become less popular when streaming/downloading, so I imagine blu-ray player with huge hardrives will become the standard.

Posted on 30 Nov 2010 18:02:30 GMT
Yeah, Christopher...PS3 is a cracking deal and has been updated with every new feature that has been added to Blu-ray over the years. However, to add 3D support they had to sacrifice something....and that something was lossless HD audio formats for 3D media, as they simply couldn't fit all that data through HDMI's v1.3 pipe. But you can still have Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1...just the compressed versions like you get on DVD's (which sound great to me). But seeing as 3D TV wasn't even a concern when PS3 was made, it is still amazing. No other Blu-ray player on the market that was not bought as a 3D player is getting a firmware update to make it 3D capable...none. Only PS3 got this. So basically, if you are the owner of a PS3...on the evening the 3.50 firmware become available, it was as if a man knocked at your door and handed you a brand new 3D BD player. People who spent 200-300 on a standalone 2D player just months/weeks before will need to buy a new player if they have designs on getting a 3D TV. Sony simply have to be commended here. Add to that the fact you can browse the web, use it as a media centre and stream your pictures, music and videos from any PC in the house to your lounge TV....AND, last but not least, play the latest videogames, then you really do have a genuine home media hub. So even if you're not a gamer, PS3 is well worth a look.

I came across a Blu-ray review site just a few weeks ago and they STILL use a PS3 as their reference player. It is literally that good. Only recently have you been able to get a superior standalone (if you're prepared to pay a premium for the privilege). It also has the looks to sit under your TV and look like the other appliances there...and can be used with a remote control (bought separately), so people needn't worry about having to use a gamepad.

Posted on 1 Dec 2010 18:58:26 GMT
Christopher says:
And the remote is Bluetooth instead of infa-red so no more line of sight nonsense!

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Apr 2011 14:28:17 BDT
dodgy dave says:
yeah, line of sight isn't very useful when you are watching tv is it.

Posted on 2 Apr 2011 14:56:40 BDT
Ooh, sarcasm.

Posted on 1 Jul 2012 03:46:20 BDT
no they don't look worse, they just don't look much better.

Posted on 30 Jul 2013 00:30:14 BDT
Why do films in HD on tv look better than their counterpart on blu ray? A case in point is The Great Escape, it looked quite good in HD when shown on sky and that was 1080i, yet the Blu ray release was just awful, I have found this happen a lot, to the point now I will not buy any more films on Blu ray. Modern films are ok, but older films are just being released as a big con in my opinion. you can buy the dvd for 3 to 5 but the Blu Ray is almost 20. I have catched on and seen the light. They cannot get it right with 1080p so goodness knows what films will look like in 4K.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 04:02:57 BDT
Christopher says:
It just depends on the title. The Great Escape isn't a one off example of an older master (the one you probably saw on Sky) been preferred over a newer one (reports have suggested that the BD was from a 2004 restoration of an unconfirmed source) but they are less frequent than you might think. A lot of the older films have received stunning work to get them prepared for Blu-ray release (and the future formats) and will be superior than the releases you see on Sky (even if they use the same source Sky, can't compete with a BD technically). It's just the case of you picking the best Blu-ray has to offer over a Sunday afternoon on the sofa with Sky. The rewards are there with the BD format you just have to pick and choose from the real gems and the plain average ones.
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