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Initial post: 17 Jul 2010 14:59:06 BDT
man says:
i don't know about you but i am overweight...ive come down from 18st which although is not morbid obesity, it was still too much for my 5ft 6 frame.
i looked and felt awful...and even at 15st i still feel uncomfortable with my weight.
i have brought a exercise bike but have not set it up yet...i also brought a book about exercise and diet but have not started reading it yet...i try to watch what i eat but if you are overweight you will know how hard it is to stick to a diet let alone a exercise routine.
so if you are overweight but too lazy to do something about it...what then is the answer?

Posted on 17 Jul 2010 18:40:19 BDT
M. Dowden says:
My aunt is overweight but she has lost quite a bit lately, she has taken up something called Nordic walking, where you use sticks. I think it is something like cross country skiing. I remember once reading of a teen who helped lose his weight by doing sit-ups and press-ups every time there was a commercial break on tv. I know I have put some weight on, and now have a little bit of a belly and the best thing I can think of is running. If you can't manage it start off with walking fast, and then when you are ready start running. The easiest way is just to pick a circuit, say to the shops and back to your house. Run as much of it as you can, and then walk whilst your breathing gets back to normal, and then run again. Soon you will be able to run the whole distance and then you can see how much quicker you get if you time yourself.

If you are too lazy to do anything about it then there is nothing that can help you. As for exercise bikes I always find them too easy to use and boring, a proper bike is more better at burning calories, plus you can travel around. You need to find an activity that you enjoy and do it regularly and to be honest if you exercise regularly you don't have to start watching all those calories. Another thing if you enjoy running it is worth looking to see whether there is a running club in your area. My sister used to belong to one where they often had parties and such like, and it is a great way to meet other people, and of course it offers the chance to enter contests and win a prize. Things like the London Marathon you get a medal just for completing the course. I can't swim, but if you can then that is another good exercise to do.

You will need a bit of willpower at the begining but usually once you have done it for a while it becomes second nature, after all the human body is designed to move, not to vegetate.

Posted on 17 Jul 2010 20:30:31 BDT
man says:
hi m.dowden
thanks so much for your response...i found it very inspiring....actually i had written a response but i got timed out again by the time i was ready to press post...its my isp causing this.
gets on my nerves so much.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Jul 2010 20:33:28 BDT
man says:
years ago i used to ride to visit my parents in kensal green
and then i would ride back....when i did it a few years ago i was shocked at how tough it was...my legs felt like jelly by the time i reached my mums...then when i rode back i collapsed at the bottom of the stairs i was absolutely shattered!
then again i weighed over 16 st at the time so its not surprising really.

Posted on 17 Jul 2010 20:41:45 BDT
man says:
i had just typed something else and i was timed out yet again.....honestly if you ever consider changing your current isp, do not sign up with talk talk!
they in my opinion are the worst isp in britain...

Posted on 17 Jul 2010 20:44:03 BDT
man says:
nordic walking sounds ok...although i would imagine it could become a bore rather quickly...but i guess if it helps burn calories and tone up the body then it is worth it.
i prefer powerwalking...especially in the winter

Posted on 18 Jul 2010 12:34:15 BDT
It's not how much you eat that puts weight on - it's whether what you eat is good for your body type. Read The Genotype Diet: Change Your Genetic Destiny to Live the Longest, Fullest and Healthiest Life Possible by Catherine Whitney and Dr. Peter J. D'Adamo. The book explains why some people can eat certain foods and stay slim, while others who eat the same foods, put on weight. Good luck.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jul 2010 13:27:05 BDT
I Readalot says:
Sorry Bruce but I don't buy that - The first law of thermodynamics states that energy (calories/joules) can be transformed into something else (fat for example) but cannot be created or destroyed. Therefore no matter what your 'body type' if you consume more calories/joules than you expend in exercise of some form or other then the excess energy will be converted into fat. The only way to really loose weight is to eat less and exercise more. Say someone eats the 'correct' food for their body type but in the course of the day consumes 5000 calories of this food, the physical exersion carried out expends say 2000 calories, what happens to the remaining 3000?

Posted on 18 Jul 2010 16:28:22 BDT
M. Dowden says:
I Readalot, I agree with you. There just seems to be so many of these weird diet books around. If you burn more calories than you consume you lose weight. In the days of sailing vessels those who were whalers ate an average of 9,000 claories per day, for breakfast they would be having doughnuts. Because the job was so strenous these men did not get fat because of the energy they used.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jul 2010 18:19:18 BDT
I Readalot says:
M Dowden - Exactly, and each new book is effectively saying 'every book that has gone before had it wrong but 'my book' has got it right'. As for the genotype diet, I have never exluded any food type from my diet I and have never been over weight, I get annoyed when people say 'aren't you lucky' or 'it's alright for you you don't have to worry about your weight' when it isn't down to luck but a balanced lifestyle, will power and often hard work.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jul 2010 11:28:02 BDT
man says:
mmmmmm i think you may be right bruce...i'm starting to realize that certain foods affect me in certain ways.
for example around this time last year i was in a relationship...she is overweight like me and she used to cook nice breakfast's but after eating 8 well cooke lincolnshire sausages, about 2 fried eggs cooked in lots of vegetable oil...a big serving of baked beans...plus lots of toast, and lots of well cooked bacon, i used to feel very lethargic...we came to the conclusion that it was time for a change.
we also consumed lots and lots of bottles of coke.

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In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jul 2010 11:32:53 BDT
man says:
well 20 years ago i was alot slimmer than i am now
and yet i was eating alot...but i think the reason i did not put on the weight as i did in later years was because i was much more active then.
for example i used to go clubbing with friends at the weekend and would dance for hours on end...it never crossed my mind that that may have been the reason i stayed slim despite my food intake.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jul 2010 11:38:25 BDT
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man says:
well they are bound to say that m. dowden because they want us to buy their book not someone elses.
i have always been a big eater from childhood into adulthood.
i started gaining weight in my mid 20's but it never got out of hand until i stopped being active.
thats when the weight piled on and ive never been able to shift it since.
of course it will shift if i put in the needed effort and self discipline...its all to easy to say i can't do it..it wont work...ive tried every diet known to man and i'm still overweight...there has been morbidly obese people that have lost pounds and pounds...ok much of that was due to stomach stapling...but if that's what it takes then thats what it takes.
i personally would never resort to stomach stapling because i still desire to eat what i like when i like.
stomach stapling takes that all away...and it must be absolute hell for some people that were real food junkies.
imagine what it must be like walking past kfc or mcdonalds knowing that you can't
buy 4 ot that and five of this anymore?
i imagine many ex food junkies must shed many a tear but the reality is their excessive consumption of food never did them any good.

Posted on 20 Jul 2010 21:36:39 BDT
M. Dowden says:
I always used to be skinny and ate everything, but when I was about 19 I started being sick all the time, and was writhing on the floor in agony. At the time it was suspected that I had an ulcer but nothing was ever found, but a few years ago I was diagnosed by my gp with IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome), which seems to run in my dad's side of the family.

I have been through detox for alcohol abuse twice, so that added weight to me, but I am on the wagon at the moment. I also have depression and insomnia, so I can go from hardly eating anything to stuffing my face. I have a little bit of fat on me, I am about 6' 3" and weigh just over 15 stone. I need to stop smoking and get back to running, and ideally what I prefer, weight training. What I need to find out is whether my face will get slimmer. I know it sounds silly, and people are usually more concerned with their bellies. But a few years ago I was put on medication that becuase I was using it everyday I never noticed any difference. My nurse went on holiday and when she came back she immediately had me taken off of it as my face had got fat, but not the rest of me. I don't want to be a lean mean sex machine with a great big head.....lol.

I used to bodybuild and I had to worry about dieting, in my case making sure I ate enough calories, and I know with you it would be the opposite way around. Talk about boring, it was a nightmare. In the end I thought stuff it and just eat when I want to. There are many diet programs on the market, some live up to part of their claims, and others don't. The only one I know that can match its claims is the Atkins Diet, even though it is not known exactly all the ins and outs of why it does. So saying though I wouldn't go for loads of fried foods but lean meats and after the initial phase start adding salad vegetables.

At the moment my dad is trying to lose weight, he walks to the station and then at the other end he walks to work. He isn't losing massive amounts but it is slowly going, and also because all he has changed is an increase in his work output, he doesn't have to change his diet.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jul 2010 08:44:32 BDT
Lizzie says:
M Dowden - I was interested to read your post with regards to your IBS, and everyone elses comments with regards to their weight.

My problem was slightly different but no less frustrating. Like you I've had IBS for years, but as a result I found it extremely difficult to put on weight. Being female and six feet tall a couple of years ago I had dropped down to only eight and a half stone, which was much too light for my height. My appetite was good and I stuffed my face but still the weight was coming off. I was sick of people, including doctors thinking I was anorexic.

Anyway, to cut a long story short I found I had to listen to my body, and be totally honest with myself. I had to only eat foods which agreed with it. My body wasn't absorbing certain foods eg high fibre. And If I felt unwell after eating something no matter how nice it was it had to go.

I'm now just over ten stone, still thin, but a lot healthier. I think no matter what your weight problem, you have to be honest with yourself. Stop eating when you are full and eat what's right for you. Everyone's different.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jul 2010 12:08:50 BDT
man says:
good for you lizzie

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jul 2010 16:10:58 BDT
Mary says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6_UnYi2DCw&feature=related

You may not be familiar with the work of Byron Katie but here she is on some YouTube clips with a woman who is desperate about her weight. Katie somehow manages to get people who talk with her to see a new way of thinking. It is gentle and funny - and extremely powerful. There are 5 short parts to the video. By the end, the woman is laughing. It really is good stuff (and has changed my thinking too over the past two years of reading and watching Byron Katie. Who needs diet books!)
All the very best

Posted on 21 Jul 2010 17:03:10 BDT
M. Dowden says:
Lizzie, I'm glad you have managed to put weight on, I found it really hard when I was younger to do so. People moan about losing weight and if you have a problem putting it on they just think you are whinging over nothing, or that you are anorexic. For IBs I was originally using those peppermint capsules but when I had a few problems with them (sometimes when I went no. 2s the peppermint hadn't disolved literally burning my back end), my gp advised using peppermint tea. I have found that is really good, but for me the best thing I have found is rooibus/ redbush tea.

Posted on 21 Jul 2010 20:28:31 BDT
Lizzie says:
M Dowden - I'm afraid I know all too well about partially digested food, if you get my meaning. Agreed, no joke!! The doctor used to have me on Colofac, but I'm lucky enough now, not to need any medication. Agreed peppermint tea is good, I drink it quite a lot, but rooibus makes me nauseous. I drink a lot of green tea(twinings is the best) and will help to get rid of harmful toxins. I find camomile tea good too, will soothe both digestion and nerves. Might help with the insomnia. I have trouble sleeping too but find worrying about it does more damage than the insomnia itself.

To man and everyone - I think you should give so called 'diet foods' a miss, especially ones proclaiming themselves to be low fat. Yes- I did say no low fat. Most of these are loaded with sugar to make up for it and are highly calorific. As any excess sugar is converted to fat in the body it's self defeating.

As for those so called 'healthy' pro biotic drinks and yoghurts, give most of them a wide berth. There is a certain well known one which starts with the letter A and advertised by Martine McCutcheon. It is absolutely loaded with sugar, e numbers and sweeteners. You're better off buying a plain natural probiotic or greek style yoghurt and then flavouring it yourself with fresh fruit and/or honey. Absolutely delicious and much better for you.

Buy food in it's most natural state, pre packaged things are loaded with all sorts of nasties, and you will enjoy it much more and be less likely to binge, or eat too much.

Hope my humble opinion helps:)

Oh, and I agree with the poster who mentioned Byron Katie. She's worth looking up.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jul 2010 20:42:21 BDT
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man says:
i have to say i agree with you lizzie
i too am wary of so called low fat food...and they often tend to be incongruously priced(if its meant to be good for us why hike up the price?)
so that one ends up buying the cheap stuff instead.
btw i just looked up byron katie on wiki
she seems to be some kind of life coach person?
suffered from depression and sucidal thoughts for years till she finally managed to conquer them.
what is her connection with obesity though?

Posted on 22 Jul 2010 12:13:52 BDT
Lizzie says:
Man - I only know a little about Byron Katie, and you're right, she is a self help, life coach type person. Anything I've heard about her is by another self help person called Wayne Dyer. she seems to be a friend of his.

If you're interested in that sort of thing( I know not everyone goes for it) he does an excellent program called 'Excuses Begone'. There is a book available on Amazon and a set of CDs. I can recommend the cd set, as it is a live seminar. In this particular seminar he spends quite a bit of time with a woman who has been obese her whole life, taking her through the program and helping her change her self defeating thinking habits about herself and her body. It is fascinating to listen to, and very moving. She has never been able to lose thie weight, and in another program I heard afterwards that eight months later the weight had dropped off her. She still had quite a way to go but she was definitely on the right path.

He deals with many issues, but in that set he spent quite a lot of time with this woman, so you may find it interesting. Of course it wasn't the program that changed the woman, she did that herself, but as I said it did put her on the right path. If you do think of ordering it though make sure it's the 'live lecture' and not just the author reading his book which I think is also available.

Hope this helps:)

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jul 2010 12:22:05 BDT
man says:
hi lizzie
thanks for your response and suggestions.
i must say that outside support or encouragement does help or can help.
i don't think many people go it alone when trying to lose weight...having someone who is dieting as well can be inspiring i think.
my ex was a great source of encouragement even though her method was rather harsh...i knew i had to lose weight but her regular reminders went some way to me eventually losing weight...but sadly i put it back on...that sometimes tends to be how it goes...not for all thankfully but for some.

Posted on 22 Jul 2010 13:23:31 BDT
Sou'Wester says:
I'm all for this healthy living. I always make a point of walking to the take-away.

Posted on 22 Jul 2010 17:24:06 BDT
M. Dowden says:
Sou'Wester, I love your coment, I do as well when I get my fish and chips. Lizzie there was once a radio program on IBS and people were phoning up with things they use to help stop the stomach cramps, etc. Quite a few people take a bit of alcohol, only like half a glass of wine, nothing too much, and I have tried it and it does seem to work. As for Camomile tea I can't take it, it upsets my stomach and it makes me burp all the time. You are also so right about all these pro-biotic drinks. There was a program on tv about it either earlier this year, or near the end of last year. They were trying the products out on different people and doing tests. What they found was that what one person make take and have no problems with another person may be affected differently. For instance one person in the test had one of the drinks for a week and when they tested them it showed that they had the chemical composition of creosote inside their gut.
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