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Initial post: 23 Sep 2011 14:50:32 BDT
Grey Wolf: The Escape of Adolf Hitler

This blows the lid off the fairytale that Adolph Hitler committed suicide in 1945. I've just read a preview copy of Grey Wolf, and I'm as convinced as the authors are, that after the war, Adolf Hitler lived the rest of his life in Argentina. Read it, and you'll believe it too.

Posted on 23 Sep 2011 18:05:37 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 24 Sep 2011 20:52:24 BDT
This is one I've promised myself for Christmas!

Posted on 24 Sep 2011 21:34:29 BDT
monica says:
Simon Dunstan, shame on you. These posts aren't credible. Neither is the vote count on 'like' for a book still in proof. Given the state of documentaries it might just be barely possible that you did as you claim in author biog put some together, but I doubt it; moreover, people in any walk of life can be conspiracy 'theorists'.

There have been and will be, unless you're gentleman enough to withdraw the thread, taken in by this nonsense and who won't recognise the tone that stinks of advertising and the descriptions that speak of fondness for tabloids. Many of the people who post here seem to be touchingly naive: So, shame on you.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Sep 2011 20:57:43 BDT
Last edited by the author on 26 Sep 2011 21:00:13 BDT
Hi Monica,
These people have read the book. We've had review copies here in the Uk for three weeks, and have distributed it amongst many friends and cynical journalists. Some may appear partial but to be honest no-one has been forced to say anything. Why don't you wait for the other reviews, or ,before you talk about "shame" and "gentlemen", read it yourself. Then at least you could add something pertinent. It's not "in proof" It's shipping now in the US and Canada.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Sep 2011 21:04:20 BDT
Last edited by the author on 26 Sep 2011 21:07:52 BDT
Actually, I'm surprised I bothered to reply. You are simply rude, and close-minded. Have you written anything, or produced any documentaries? I'd love the chance to review them.
This is not a conspiracy theory, simply the detailed reporting of one of the greatest lies in history.
I doubt whether you'll read it, as you would rather accept, spoon-fed, it would appear, the crass nonsense of Hugh Trevor-Roper.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Sep 2011 21:20:45 BDT
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Posted on 27 Sep 2011 06:17:43 BDT
S Riaz says:
I think what monica means is precisely what you have just said - that the book has been read by 'friends', who will not be impartial. I am not judging your book (actually I think it looks very interesting), but there have been many instances where books have received an influx of good reviews/comments where the said reviews have come from people who know the author and therefore give a fake impression. People are becoming more wary of this widespread practice and although no one has been 'forced to say anything', they would not say anything negative, would they? This kind of action is often causing a backlash, so best to just let the book be judged on it's own merits.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2011 10:11:04 BDT
Monica. How dare you suggest that my post is not credible. I have read Grey Wolf and my review is genuine. I am not part of any advertising campaign - I am a housewife, who long ago majored in History, and I am certainly not naive. I have no ulterior motive for posting my review, other than I think the content of this book is fascinating, very possibly accurate and well written. The evidence presented deserves further investigation. Read it yourself when it is on general release, and maybe your mind would open up just a tiny bit.

Posted on 30 Sep 2011 10:26:58 BDT
Badger says:
There is overwhelming evidence that the common story of Hitler's suicide in the bunker is nonsense. Witnesses were under great stress and, over the years, changed their story. That does not mean, however, that Hitler escaped. He might have done, but probably didn't. In any case, he was a very sick man and could not have travelled easily without his symptoms drawing attention, followed by recognition. Be very sceptical, think about it deeply, then reject the idea that he escaped to some other country - let alone South America.

Posted on 30 Sep 2011 10:33:41 BDT
Badger says:
I was pleased to see that Gerrard Williams describes Hugh Trevor-Roper's account as 'crass'. He was very early on the scene, probably wanted to be 'first with the story' and accepted anything that was said to him. Resulting credibility as a historian? Close to zero.

Posted on 2 Oct 2011 15:57:33 BDT
dan says:
hitlers skull fragments have now been proven to be in moscow using dna taken from the jaw bone according to russian reports published in the daily mail and telegraph newspapers recently disproving the usa swab tests taken by usa scientists saying the skull was female so surely this book is already behind latest findings ?

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Oct 2011 23:07:04 BDT
Hi Dan this from the telegraph. I hardly think it put us behind the times. The Russians are sticking to the same old story Despite the DNA evidence.
Gerrard

Adolf Hitler skull fragment is genuine evidence of suicide, insists Russia
Russian officials have insisted a skull fragment with a bullet hole at the state archive is that of Adolf Hitler, despite claims by American scientists who carried out DNA tests on it.
Adolf Hitler skull fragment is genuine evidence of suicide, insists Russia
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Conspiracy theories suggest that Hitler did not die in 1945 but survived and fled to South America or elsewhere and that the skull is not genuine Photo: EPA

By Alastair Jamieson

7:35AM GMT 09 Dec 2009

The chief archivist at the Federal Security Service in Moscow repeated Russia's assurances that the skull, and a jaw bone, were the "only documentary evidence" of the Nazi leader's death despite the claims, in a United States documentary.

The four-inch skull fragment has a hole where a bullet reportedly passed through Hitler's left temple when he shot himself.

Kept in Russia's state archive, it was put on public display in 2000 and is the only evidence to back the accepted story that Hitler committed suicide.

Jawbones, said to be confirmed as Hitler's through dental records, are kept at the federal security service archive but have not been put on show, nor has any DNA confirmation of their veracity been offered.

Russia maintains that these two artefacts prove Soviet troops found Hitler's body in the ruins of Berlin in 1945 and that he died on April 30 when he shot himself just after taking cyanide.
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Conspiracy theories suggest that Hitler did not die in 1945 but survived and fled to South America or elsewhere and that the skull is not genuine.

A History Channel documentary programme broadcast in the United States earlier this year claimed the skull fragment belongs to a woman under 40 and not Hitler, who was 56 when he died.

Lieutenant-General Vasily Khristoforov, the chief archivist at the federal security service, has told Interfax that it still believes Hitler's remains were incinerated in 1970 and the ashes thrown into a river in East Germany.

General Khristoforov said the move took place out of concern that his original grave in the east German town of Magdeburg could become a Nazi shrine. "It was not worth leaving any grounds for the rise of a cult of worship . . . there are people who profess the fascist ideology, regrettably even in Russia."

He insisted that the security service had no reason to question the authenticity of the skull fragments in its possession.

General Khristoforov said: "Hitler's jaw is at the FSB archives, the fragment of skull at the State Archive. These materials are the only documentary evidence of Hitler's death."

I don't see how this disproves the dna evidence, that was pretty conclusive that the skull could not be Hitler's

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Last edited by the author on 3 Oct 2011 13:02:00 BDT
dan1 says:
thanks gerrard for the reply i understand what you are saying but the article i was refering to http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/6243803/Russia-casts-doubt-on-Hitler-skull-theory.html . states that the russians say there is no record of dna samples being from the skull by american scientists working for the history channel which makes you think its a hoax. but even if they did and the program makers are correct the skull fragments arent hitlers it does not explain how they have his jaw bone proven by dental records which they see has divintive proof of his death in berlin . but i might get the book out of interest but cant serously see how he could get out of the bunker which was basiaclly surounded by the red army when he was not in the best of health had just said his farewells to all of is staff so discounting a double replacing him go straight into room with no other exit pretend to shoot himself then some how exit without the staff and everyone in the bunker not in the plot noticing or may be the answer is in the book.

Posted on 3 Oct 2011 16:25:54 BDT
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dan says:
hopefully one day they will so until then i guess speculation will continue . good luck with the book and i look forward to the reviews once the book has been released fully i think the problem with the first two reviews before the book has been released mentions words such has " being convinced "and "almost certainly the truth " when the books own product information says " what might of happened " . so seems a little over the top but lets see what other readers think im sure it will do very well as there is a lot of interest in the subject matter thanks dan

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Oct 2011 18:53:03 BDT
Thanks Dan. Nice to meet people with an open mind.
Gerrard

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